Must See For Climate Change Skeptics
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Kinda like how you don't clean a Hotel room before you check out. They don't care if they're ruining the world... Jesus is coming to take them away anyway.
Bizarre. No problem believing that a guy dead for 2,000 years will fly in on a cloud, and the moon will turn to blood. But ask them to entertain the notion that a rapidly and massively increasing population that has been, day on day, year on year for a century and a half, churning more and more pollutants into the atmosphere might actually pollute the atmosphere, and they think that's just wacky! :roll:
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Godfather.
And what if you are?
What if 50 years from now as you have to choke on polluted air and can't drink water without boiling it or paying $10 a gallon? What if there are no more trees or fields of grass because of the garbage dumps and toxic spills? You can't fish or swim in the ocean?
Will you then say "wow, maybe I shouldn't have banked on that Rapture thing and maybe not shit in my own front yard to spite the non-believers who were going to take my house after I went to heaven?"
Quite honestly, if you really think that your God is real, don't you think that just maybe he wouldn't want you to dump your crap on that world he made for you? You think maybe when you stand before your God, he might say something like, "wow, you sure made a mess of that garden I made for you, didn't you? Those hippies and tree-huggers and non-believers took better care of it...I think I'll let them in and not you...?"
well IF Iam wrong what have I lost ? My God is very real and BY the way what makes you think I am dumping anymore on the earth than you ?....and your husband and what will you say if you are wrong ?
"geeeze Lord but my husband said it was o.k to bend over and bark like a poodle"
don't get all self rightous on us here when my friends or I don't pollute anymore than you do and you think just because I am a believer I don't do things to help (small thing's but non the less) like recycling or those dang energy eficent light bulbs through out my whole dandg house that you and your husband are going to take over when my family and I pass over to heaven :shock: ......
Godfather.
Polaris: Over the years I have battled with you over this subject on a few occasions
PS- They need to find someone better to do the voiceovers for these videos. This guy sounds like one of those 9/11 conspiracy guys. Or a bad game show host.
PS 2- As for the God talk. There is no God. "If there is (quoting George Carlin) he would have been thrown out on his almighty ass a long time ago. If this is the work of a God I have seen better. This is the type of work done by an office temp with a bad attitude." Seriously would you want to go to the place that he has built after seeing how fucked up this world is? I mean look around things are fucked up.
i find it tragic that people continue to play this off as a partisan issue ...
And here's what George Carlin thinks of global warming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-wyF9afJ2A
Ah, Pascal's Wager!
Anyway, that's not what this thread is about.
Even if I am wrong about God's existence, the point still remains that there is far more concrete empirical evidence for the reality of climate change than there is for the existence of God. Whether God exists or not doesn't make the slightest difference to the fact that it is irrational to discredit something that can be demonstrated empirically while avowing the absolute truth of something that can't .
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
there is no doubt that man is shitting all over the earth but as far as climate change goes I can't give you with my limited understand a 100% proof positive answer one way or the other...come to think of it can anybody ?
Godfather.
Probably not, but it's getting closer to 100% all the time, the more corroborating and mutually supporting evidence that arises. It's certainly so likely as to justify using the precautionary principle and act as if it were 100% certain. To do otherwise, to say "well, until it's definite let's not even consider the possibility" is frankly irresponsible, dangerous and unjustifiable. If and when it does become 100% certain, it will probably be because it's far too late to do anything about it. And then what? I can't see how it is possible to justify taking that risk.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
it's well past that point ...
for those who still don't believe in this and/or don't feel it's a threat ... see this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqBURjOd ... re=related
these are military experts discussing the impacts of global warming on national security ...
my thought on it
AHHHHHHHH ! there is just so much to factor in on this subject.
Godfather.
I disagree with the closer to 100%. Do you understand how many different factors and their magnitude go into the warming of the earth? The effect of humans is such a small part of it. This is agreed upon by many climate researchers. They just conclude that our effect, which is growing, is enough to tip the balances.
I'm not saying that we should do nothing. We need to be much more responsible, especially the developed countries, with the US carrying most of the responsibility. But to say that humans are the largest cause for the warming of the earth is not justifiable when other factors like the sun, earth's orbit, the oceans, etc. are much larger contributing factors.
i humbly suggest you do what shadowcast did and read up some more ... your response is like standard talking point #5 of climate change deniers and has been addressed by the science a long time ago ...
try considering the earth like a human body ... we have a fluctuating body temperature that when things are good is generally around a certain temperature ... how our internal body regulates that temperature is indeed very complex however, when we have a fever ... we can usually account for it such as infection or what not ...
the earth has been running a fever for a very long time now
I believe pollution is wrong. I think it's wrong because it can impact your neighbor. As for climate change (formerly Global Warming), I'm skeptical and your video did nothing to change that. Even if it was 100% fact that we change the climate based on our emissions, I don't really care too much. I'll provide an example of why I'm not concerned about Climate Change (formerly Global Warming)...
Thomas Malthus. He predicted that as economies grew, populations would also expand and since the food supply is stable (or grows slower), some would starve to death. Therefore, economic growth was not necessarily good. This is how economics got the name "the dismal science." But, what Malthus never took into account was technology. Although economic growth did lead to growth in the world's population, he was in fact wrong in his concerns regarding the food supply. He did not take into account technology.
So, in the end, I think that if we can change the climate (formerly Global Warming), who's to say we can not change it back? No one can predict the future. Maybe, if there are ways to harming the climate, there are also ways to heal it. This healing ability could exist just as much as the harming ability. So, I don't believe it's one and done. I am not sure if I believe any of it, actually.
I do think some, actually a majority of climate change believers are using this issue to push their political/economic ideologies. They exert pressure on policymakers in the name of Climate Change (formerly Global Warming) to achieve their goals. Their argumentation is based on the spreading of fear and panic by declaring the future of the world to be under serious threat. In such an atmosphere they continue pushing policymakers to adopt illiberal measures, impose arbitrary limits, regulations, prohibitions, and restrictions on everyday human activities and make people subject to omnipotent bureaucratic decision-making.
This is not good at all and I, for one, see though it. Some use Climate Change as a movement towards more government control.
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standard response #7
seriously ... it would not take an educated person all of maybe 30 minutes to understand climate change (formerly global warming because people were not smart enough to differentiate) ...
edit: this is not meant to say that people who deny climate change are uneducated ... simply that - most of them choose not to read up on the xcience from an objective source ...
first - i will explain the difference for you ... the problem is global warming - caused by human activities ... the warmest years on record have all occurred recently and those records will continually be broken in years to come ... climate change is the most immediate and significant impact of global warming ... they are linked but do not refer to the same thing ... an example would be like a virus ... the virus is like global warming in that it is the primary problem ... the consequence to the virus could be infection, fever, pneumonia ... that would be climate change ...
secondly - you are right that technology could save us ... in fact, we have technology currently to address global warming ... what you don't factor in is greed ... greed (or as i refer to it as the root of all evil) is what doesn't allow us to address this problem ...
thirdly - the theory that environmentalists are using global warming to satisfy a hidden agenda of more gov't control is absurd ... how the environment became a partisan issue is mind boggling considering some of the forefathers of the environmental movement were indeed conservatives ...
lastly - this is really a scientific matter ... and on that front there is a consensus ... you can go thru all the threads on the MT over the years that were posted trying to debunk the science and they ALL end the same way ... some discredited source, links to big oil corporations or lobbyists, unsubstantiated claims ... the truly sad part is how people will let their ideologies guide their objectivity and their ability to think critically ...
This. This is real. I salute you Godfather.
Its like you can feel a hatred- an envy in their angry words.
And if they truly do understand what 88% of Americans have been duped into believing (in a God), then you'd think they'd be happy- happier than the rest. But they're not. They are angry, hateful, condescending, envious, and mean.
I hope something changes for them.
Your response is standard talking point #1 of climate change fanatics, I'm smarter than you so I'm right so do some research and then you'll be as smart as me and agree with me.
Guess what, I've done plenty of research, had plenty of discussions with very intelligent people(environmental engineers, physicists, geologists, geophysicists, etc) and that is how I got to where I'm at.
haha ...
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ans-so-ill
...which is so much worse than increased conflict, mass displacement of people living in extremely flood-prone areas such as Bangladesh, reductions in the availability of potable water and food, particularly and disproportionately amongst the poorest, those who are already the most food- and water-insecure populations. Yeah, it's more government control that's the real worry, right? :roll:
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00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
what!??
this is akin to saying ... showing lung cancer on a 2 pack a day smoker is not proof that there is a correlation and anyone who tries to do so is showing poor judgement ...
do you have a science background?
do any of you skeptics actually take the time to read both sides and understand the science before you post or are you just regurgitating what someone or some website told you!??
because ultimately, i think that is the best way to move past this debate (that has ended pretty much everywhere else in the world except the US) ...
let's talk about the science because that is what it really is about ... it's not and shouldn't be a partisan issue ... as many conservatives like to preface their posts with pollution is wrong and we should preserve our environment ... so ... it's universally agreed we need to take better care of the environment ... so, let's discuss the science of global warming and how that impacts not only our environment but people ...
Good point about how almost everybody has it figured out except the U.S.
Here's another excellent climate change organization (that was started by Bill McKibben and colleagues):
http://www.350.org/
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
thanks Parachute !
truth and understanding....this site is full of people that have and share the same opinion about God and other things,they talk about love and understand..saving the world, compassion...but soon as you mention God or the Bible they act like an un-believing angry mob with little to compassion or understanding for you or your beliefs
or ideas...must be nice to know it all,you don't even have to mention Gods name or the Bible but as soon as a gay person brings up the gay topic or even climate change they help can't but throw a slanderous comment about God or the Bible into their post maybe it's cause they are afraid they might be wrong...I don't know..
Godfather.