Jared Loughner Found Mentally Incompetent to
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I think it was pretty clear that guy was quite mentally ill.
I'm not defending him... I'm just not surprised. I figured this could go either way.
I think it's probably a bigger statement about the lack of proper mental health care in our country.
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after all....is that not what our society is becoming.
...is becoming what?
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
would jared get a diminished fee on a "dui" charge....because he is mental?
I don't think he is getting a lighter sentence ... seems like a psych ward is just fine until he either can understand the case against him or he dies...he will not just get out of the psych ward and walk away. My guess is that he will never be found competent to stand trial and he will be civilly committed indefinitely.
i think most people who think this would be a lighter sentence have never been to a psych ward...they are terrifying and terrible places.
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What you are suggesting has nothing whatsoever to do with equality. Equality means acknowledging individual circumstances and differences, and the distinct resources that need to be applied to ensure that people are treated equally in consideration of those individual circumstances. A mentally ill person cannot possibly be as responsible as a mentally healthy person, by definition. To treat them as if they were shows a complete lack of insight and comprehension.What you are suggesting is that justice or equal treatment involves deliberately ignoring the rational consideration of the context that is essential for anything that can meaningfully be termed justice or equal treatment.
You call it "equal treatment", but by refusing to consider someone's mental illness in your response to their actions, what you are in fact advocating is not equality, but discrimination against the mentally ill.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
I was led to believe this is just a test to see if he has the ability to comprehend the charges and the court process. I firmly believe (and hope) that this guy will never leave a cell in his lifetime.
What? I know that!
But that's not the issue, and I'm a bit puzzled as to what you're saying is "incorrect". Can you elaborate?
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
That's true. And I doubt he will leave either a cell or a psychiatric institution.
What I'm taking issue with is ajedigecko's incomprehensible contention that even if he is deemed too mentally incomptetent to comprehend, even though we know he is mentally ill, and we know that he did the awful thing he did because he was mentally ill, that he should be treated as though he wasn't mentally ill. Even though he is. That to me makes not a lick of sense, and is completely unjustifiable.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
Oh... no, that's not what's happening.
He's not being "let go" or getting a diminished sentence or charge. Right now, he's being sent to a facility which will help bring him to a mental state where he's able to assist in his defense.
Probably 4 months.
At which point he'll be reassessed and they'll see if he's able to stand trial. If he is, the trial goes on. He may plead "by reason of insanity or mental defect" but then it's up for the court to decide. And even if he DOES get that judgement, he won't go free. He's criminally insane (he killed what... 11 people?) and will most likely be sent to a mental hospital for a very long time. He may never get out.
Don't worry, this isn't a bunch of tree-hugging hippies letting crazy mass-murderers loose on the public.
If he just went to prison like everyone else, they're not able to properly house someone who's clearly a danger to guards and other inmates, some of whom may not deserve the death sentence by nutcase.