27 people decapitated in Guatemala

force-10force-10 Posts: 794
edited May 2011 in A Moving Train
At least 27 people were decapitated at a ranch in northern Guatemala near the border with Mexico, in a grisly mass murder feared linked to drug traffickers operating in the area, police said on Sunday.

The discovery in the department of Peten was at a farm in San Andres, some 500 kilometres (310 miles) north of the capital.

Guatemala has one of the highest murder rates in Latin America, with an average of 18 homicides each day, most of which are attributed to the feared "maras" street gangs.

The massacre of the 25 men and two women took place early on Sunday in the town of Caserio La Bomba in Peten province near the Mexico border, according to National Civil Police spokesman Donald Gonzalez.

It is one of the worst massacres since the end of Guatemala's 36-year civil war in 1996.

Gonzalez said police are investigating whether the attack is related to Saturday's killing in Peten of Haroldo Leon, the brother of alleged Guatemalan drug boss Juan Jose "Juancho" Leon.

"Juancho" Leon was killed in 2008 in an ambush that Guatemalan authorities blame on Mexico's Zetas drug cartel, which has increasingly wrested control of the drug trade beyond Mexico, at times by eliminating their competition. Ten others were killed in the 2008 attack.

Guatemalan authorities said police and soldiers were searching the area on Sunday for the unidentified attackers and didn't offer a motive for the attack.

"This is a terrible event that we must clarify and investigate regardless of the consequences, whoever is the author of this massacre," said Guatemala Prosecutor General Claudia Paz y Paz.

Guatemala has become a major shipment point for drugs heading north to the United States.

In February, the government lifted a two-month-long state of siege that it had declared in Alta Verapaz province, which neighbors Peten province, during which security forces were sent to quell drug-related violence.

The state of siege gave the army emergency powers — including permission to detain suspects without warrants — and resulted in the arrest of at least 20 suspected members of the Zetas gang.

The Zetas are a group of ex-soldiers who began as hit men for Mexico's Gulf drug cartel before breaking off on their own, quickly becoming one of Mexico's most violent gangs and spreading a reign of terror into Central America. They are notorious for their brutality, including beheading rivals and officials. Authorities have linked them to a series of massacres and mass graves in northern Mexico.

The Zetas began controlling cocaine trafficking in the Alta Verapaz region in 2008 after killing "Juancho" Leon.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... emala.html
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  • force-10force-10 Posts: 794
    Religion has been a major topic here in the AMT.

    Of course, many acts of violence are made in the name of religion, and sometimes made to believe that but in the end it is about power. Political, social, religious power. Just plain power in the end. Such is the case of this massacre. It could be easy to follow a path and blame all this shit on the US society, illegal drug consuming society. Would this be reasonable? (This is not the topic, i beg you not to deviate).

    A criminal organization capable of such things want power. Power of drug trafficking. These 27 people, most of them, were farm workers in a ranch owned by a drug leader. Just wanted to make that clear.

    Of all that has been said most recently about a certain "violent religion" I figured this as an example. What did some people say about a killer (columbine, etc, etc.)? Oh, the artists are responsible! Judas Priest, AC/DC, Ozzy, Marilyn Manson, etc.

    Those who blame religion also blame rock and roll? In this case, in Guatemala (and Mexico), most of these cowards listen to mexican music "ranchero" and shit. Are these bands to blame for this?
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Sounds like Mexico's war on drugs is spreading into neighbouring countries.

    I wonder when the Mexican President will put an end to this failed enterprise?
  • caifan82caifan82 Mexico City Posts: 321
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Sounds like Mexico's war on drugs is spreading into neighbouring countries.

    I wonder when the Mexican President will put an end to this failed enterprise?

    Not likely to ever happen... as you know Mexico is the US's backyard. The reason why Mexico has a war on drugs is because the US has told Mexico that they need to have a war on drugs.
    If sometime this "war" stopped here and some politicians started toying with the idea of legalizing drugs, I can assure you not a week would pass without the US putting sanctions in place (in the best of cases)... It's just great business for everyone pulling the strings in this so called war...
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    The violence that these drug gangs commit is truly astonishing and vile. They have no respect for life.
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Sounds like Mexico's war on drugs is spreading into neighbouring countries.

    I wonder when the Mexican President will put an end to this failed enterprise?
    Guatemala, from what I understand, has always been dangerous.
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    caifan82 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Sounds like Mexico's war on drugs is spreading into neighbouring countries.

    I wonder when the Mexican President will put an end to this failed enterprise?

    Not likely to ever happen... as you know Mexico is the US's backyard. The reason why Mexico has a war on drugs is because the US has told Mexico that they need to have a war on drugs.
    If sometime this "war" stopped here and some politicians started toying with the idea of legalizing drugs, I can assure you not a week would pass without the US putting sanctions in place (in the best of cases)... It's just great business for everyone pulling the strings in this so called war...
    yup.
    cate and I have both posted info about the US's involvement in the funding and training of these gangs in previous threads. This outcome is a foregone conclusion, and does not matter to the politicians implementing the failed policy; the entire drug war/prison industry is manipulated for political gain - power and money. I said it recently on the board, but will again:

    Politicians who support prohibition support organized crime!

    viewtopic.php?f=13&t=142974&hilit=+mexico+CIA
    viewtopic.php?f=13&t=140054&hilit=Mexico+CIA

    Shame to see this spreading :(
  • force-10force-10 Posts: 794
    Well, as it is stated on the Drowned Out´s link, its no secret that the zetas are ex-military. Here in Guatemala, after the peace sign in 1996, many militaries were fired. Some got organized and have been dedicating to bank robbing, kidnapping, hitmen, and of course drug trafficking.

    Now, the thing with the zetas is that these are trying to takeover the established drug cartels. Here in Guatemala, the zetas are kidnapping, killing and getting extorsions out of drug lords. The zetas have recluted mostly ex-militaries to fulfill their plans. Mainly kaibiles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaibil . These motherfuckers are trained killing machines. They are literaly trained as animals. Its an elite force. These are being recluted by the zetas here in Guatemala.
    haffajappa wrote:
    Guatemala, from what I understand, has always been dangerous.

    As anywhere else. Add this shit and run for your fucking life.
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    That's terrible. Absolutely terrible.
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    force-10 wrote:
    Well, as it is stated on the Drowned Out´s link, its no secret that the zetas are ex-military. Here in Guatemala, after the peace sign in 1996, many militaries were fired. Some got organized and have been dedicating to bank robbing, kidnapping, hitmen, and of course drug trafficking.

    Now, the thing with the zetas is that these are trying to takeover the established drug cartels. Here in Guatemala, the zetas are kidnapping, killing and getting extorsions out of drug lords. The zetas have recluted mostly ex-militaries to fulfill their plans. Mainly kaibiles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaibil . These motherfuckers are trained killing machines. They are literaly trained as animals. Its an elite force. These are being recluted by the zetas here in Guatemala.
    haffajappa wrote:
    Guatemala, from what I understand, has always been dangerous.

    As anywhere else. Add this shit and run for your fucking life.
    I didnt mean to sound ignorant, everywhere has their bad places...
    But I do know, from one of my parents who lived there in the 80's and a boyfriend who is Guatemalan and has a father in the legal system there, some of the ins and outs of what's been going on... his mother said it's gotten pretty bad lately and both of our parents won't let us go down there (even though we are planning to travel down there in the next few years) :?
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  • force-10force-10 Posts: 794
    haffajappa wrote:
    and has a father in the legal system there, some of the ins and outs of what's been going on... his mother said it's gotten pretty bad lately and both of our parents won't let us go down there (even though we are planning to travel down there in the next few years) :?


    I don´t know exactly what his role is in the legal system, but I can assure you no one believes in the guatemalan legal system. NYC in the 70´s is a children´s playground compared to Guatemala today.

    Police, judges, prosecutors (district attorneys), all of them are corrupted. Justice only exists to the poor and "non-important" civilians. While it blindly serves the powerful and crooked part of society.

    The ex-president Alfonso Portillo stole millions of dollars. The evidence is there. He has a NYC case open for using US banks for money laundering. Evidence everywhere to be found. Extradition to the US is pending. What did our beloved judges rule? Not guilty! Not surprising at all. All this time he was not imprisoned in a jail. But in a safer (for him) ex-military barracks.

    If a decent, hard working, honorable civilian runs over and kills someone, not drunk, just an accident, even if the other person was jay walking, or drunk, the driver goes to jail for a long time until the case has been clarified. Not in a safe jail. But in with all the accused of rape, homicide, drug dealers, etc. The inmates are orginized and demand an amount of money for them not to hurt the ordinary civilian.

    You get the picture of our justice and legal system.


    I have many friends that have visited Guatemala many times. Nothing bad has happened to them. You just have to be careful. If you are scared and frightend half the time, then its better you not come. Its a bad omen.
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    force-10 wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    and has a father in the legal system there, some of the ins and outs of what's been going on... his mother said it's gotten pretty bad lately and both of our parents won't let us go down there (even though we are planning to travel down there in the next few years) :?


    I don´t know exactly what his role is in the legal system, but I can assure you no one believes in the guatemalan legal system. NYC in the 70´s is a children´s playground compared to Guatemala today.

    Police, judges, prosecutors (district attorneys), all of them are corrupted. Justice only exists to the poor and "non-important" civilians. While it blindly serves the powerful and crooked part of society.

    The ex-president Alfonso Portillo stole millions of dollars. The evidence is there. He has a NYC case open for using US banks for money laundering. Evidence everywhere to be found. Extradition to the US is pending. What did our beloved judges rule? Not guilty! Not surprising at all. All this time he was not imprisoned in a jail. But in a safer (for him) ex-military barracks.

    If a decent, hard working, honorable civilian runs over and kills someone, not drunk, just an accident, even if the other person was jay walking, or drunk, the driver goes to jail for a long time until the case has been clarified. Not in a safe jail. But in with all the accused of rape, homicide, drug dealers, etc. The inmates are orginized and demand an amount of money for them not to hurt the ordinary civilian.

    You get the picture of our justice and legal system.


    I have many friends that have visited Guatemala many times. Nothing bad has happened to them. You just have to be careful. If you are scared and frightend half the time, then its better you not come. Its a bad omen.
    Yeah... well, he's a judge. So, you can imagine... I've never met the guy but my boyfriend does NOT have a good relationship with him. He doesn't speak highly of his father, to say the least, and has told me about the corruption down there (I can only imagine).

    We're still planning to go. It's all about knowing when and where to go and not go. Which everyone should know before travelling anywhere, really.
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