90 year old German guard on trial for war crimes

Godfather.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/12 ... njuk-case/

He claims to be innocent but still only 5 years ???

Godfather.

fife

I know this might not be agreed upon but i wonder if jail is the right place for this guy? i have always had a problem with these cases.

JOEJOEJOE

fife wrote:

I know this might not be agreed upon but i wonder if jail is the right place for this guy? i have always had a problem with these cases.

I wonder if the death camps were the right place for his victims?

If the only prison time he serves is the last few years of his life, he is getting off pretty easy.

BinauralJam

I don't see the point of putting him in jail now.

JOEJOEJOE

BinauralJam wrote:

I don't see the point of putting him in jail now.

punishment for his crimes

a sense of justice to his victims

Godfather.

BinauralJam wrote:

I don't see the point of putting him in jail now.

REVENGE !!!!!
you have been on the Train long enough to know that punishment for murder only boils down to revenge.
because nothing will bring back the 200,000 + victims in Poland that were murdered on his watch
sorry couldn't help myself.....it slipped

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Jason P

There was the story of the 50-ish year old housewife and mother of three that turned out to be a fugitive from the 70's and was caught a few years ago. She was doing time for a drug charge in Michigan and escaped prison. She was living under a false name and her family new nothing of her past. She seemed to be a model citizen but the Feds finally caught her. My opinion was that she should have only been given some type of probation as she is obviously no threat to society.

Now there is this story of a 91 year old man who was a former SS guard and has been found guilty of being an accomplish for over 28,000 deaths. He appeared to have been a model citizen as well for the last 60 years and is not currently a threat to society. My opinion is that he should serve the remainder of his life in prison.

Some might take that as being a little hypocritical, but I don't harbor much pity for former S.S. guards and murderers. Anyway, if the housewife has to do time, Mr. Nazi should as well.

fife

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

fife wrote:

I know this might not be agreed upon but i wonder if jail is the right place for this guy? i have always had a problem with these cases.

I wonder if the death camps were the right place for his victims?

If the only prison time he serves is the last few years of his life, he is getting off pretty easy.

of course the death camps were not the right place for "his" victims. i personally believe that putting a 90 year old in jail who needs daily doctors appointment as the article says in a jail is not correct. why not put this person under house arrest. I think it goes without saying that he is not a risk to other anymore and he is not a flight risk. just seems unnecessary

also i don't know if you read this in the article but here is a quote

There was no evidence that Demjanjuk committed a specific crime. The prosecution was based on the theory that if Demjanjuk was at the camp, he was a participant in the killing -- the first time such a legal argument has been made in German courts.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/12 ... z1MApG06IX

JOEJOEJOE

fife wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

fife wrote:

I know this might not be agreed upon but i wonder if jail is the right place for this guy? i have always had a problem with these cases.

I wonder if the death camps were the right place for his victims?

If the only prison time he serves is the last few years of his life, he is getting off pretty easy.

of course the death camps were not the right place for "his" victims. i personally believe that putting a 90 year old in jail who needs daily doctors appointment as the article says in a jail is not correct. why not put this person under house arrest. I think it goes without saying that he is not a risk to other anymore and he is not a flight risk. just seems unnecessary

also i don't know if you read this in the article but here is a quote

There was no evidence that Demjanjuk committed a specific crime. The prosecution was based on the theory that if Demjanjuk was at the camp, he was a participant in the killing -- the first time such a legal argument has been made in German courts.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/12 ... z1MApG06IX

He may not be a risk to society, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have to go to prison as punishment.

Smellyman

So maybe Bush will get put in prison someday.......

gimmesometruth27

i doubt that this guy makes it another 5 years,. so that is pretty much a life sentence...

and some of the 90 year olds i have treated have said just living at age 90 is punishment enough.

i have some sad old people as patients....

g under p

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i doubt that this guy makes it another 5 years,. so that is pretty much a life sentence...

and some of the 90 year olds i have treated have said just living at age 90 is punishment enough.

i have some sad old people as patients....

I know what you mean, I've worked now with at least 5...90 year olds and for some of them just making it to 90 is a big relief and time of celebration. Most pass away a year or two and such a celebration, most oldest is my current patient at 96. I worked with his brother who passed away 92, I try and bring as much happiness as I can when they reach that old.

Peace

zarocat

I think prison works for this guy because it is a confined space & inconvenient for his physical abilities. His mind, well, it may have already been killing itself over what he did. Who knows. But how can a man of 90 years really ever forgive himself from what he did as a man at 20 years of age. If it was me, I would have died (mentally) long ago and I would think 'this is karma keeping me alive.' It is also a possibility that this sentence has brought him some type of closure ... as sick as that sounds.

brandon10

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

I don't see the point of putting him in jail now.

punishment for his crimes

a sense of justice to his victims[/quote]

What are his crimes. Being a kid fighting for the wrong side in a shitty war? Let the guy go. The whole case is a mockery. They aren't even sure he was where they say he was. And even if he was, he was the lowest rank you could be at the time. It's a joke of a case.

Jason P

Smellyman wrote:

So maybe Bush will get put in prison someday.......

Nope. To the victor, the spoils.

gimmesometruth27

Jason P wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

So maybe Bush will get put in prison someday.......

Nope. To the victor, the spoils.

bush did not win a anything. the only thing he "won" is that he got out of office without being arrested and sent to the hague.

and last i checked, there is no statute of limitations for war crimes. if i ever were to become president i would have bush arrested, indicted, and tried. even if he is a 90 year old man at the time.

some things make you unforgiven.

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

So maybe Bush will get put in prison someday.......

Nope. To the victor, the spoils.

bush did not win a anything. the only thing he "won" is that he got out of office without being arrested and sent to the hague.

and last i checked, there is no statute of limitations for war crimes. if i ever were to become president i would have bush arrested, indicted, and tried. even if he is a 90 year old man at the time.

some things make you unforgiven.

My point is that if the Nazi's had won, this 90 year old would be a national hero instead of blight. (And to be clear, I'm not comparing Bush to the Nazis ... just happens to be an actual Nazi thread in which someone brought up Bush!).

I also do not believe that Bush had evil intentions. I think his advisors manipulated him in his first four years.

gimmesometruth27

Jason P wrote:

My point is that if the Nazi's had won, this 90 year old would be a national hero instead of blight. (And to be clear, I'm not comparing Bush to the Nazis ... just happens to be an actual Nazi thread in which someone brought up Bush!).

I also do not believe that Bush had evil intentions. I think his advisors manipulated him in his first four years.

i get what you are saying, but bush made the decision. his name is in the history books. he owned that war. he could have asked more questions and actually relied on the intelligence that was correct but conveniently ignored, such as the reports from plame's husband.

the man will never be forgiven by those that care about what he did to iraq.

fife

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

My point is that if the Nazi's had won, this 90 year old would be a national hero instead of blight. (And to be clear, I'm not comparing Bush to the Nazis ... just happens to be an actual Nazi thread in which someone brought up Bush!).

I also do not believe that Bush had evil intentions. I think his advisors manipulated him in his first four years.

i get what you are saying, but bush made the decision. his name is in the history books. he owned that war. he could have asked more questions and actually relied on the intelligence that was correct but conveniently ignored, such as the reports from plame's husband.

the man will never be forgiven by those that care about what he did to iraq.

lets try to keep in mind that this guy was not a leader unlike bush. This is a guy which the court found guilty while not even saying he was there or was the right person. I have major problems with this case in general

zarocat

zarocat wrote:

I think prison works for this guy because it is a confined space & inconvenient for his physical abilities. His mind, well, it may have already been killing itself over what he did. Who knows. But how can a man of 90 years really ever forgive himself from what he did as a man at 20 years of age. If it was me, I would have died (mentally) long ago and I would think 'this is karma keeping me alive.' It is also a possibility that this sentence has brought him some type of closure ... as sick as that sounds.

One more thing. I was thinking that regardless of his crimes, the situation this man is in could just be his fate. No fixed term of punishment can actually matter because it is just meant to be.

LikeAnOcean

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/12/verdict-expected-demjanjuk-case/

He claims to be innocent but still only 5 years ???

Godfather.

He's 90.. Nursing home or jail? I'd choose jail. Nursing homes can be pretty bad.


Seriously though, maybe he did bad things, but what is punishing him now going to do? He's in a wheel chair, probably lost his mind already.


They should have sentenced him 30 years ago. It's just a waste of time now.

Glorified Greg

He lived about 3 miles from me a couple of years ago. His trials have been goin on for as long as I can remember.

Godfather.

Gob wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/12/verdict-expected-demjanjuk-case/

He claims to be innocent but still only 5 years ???

Godfather.

He's 90.. Nursing home or jail? I'd choose jail. Nursing homes can be pretty bad.


Seriously though, maybe he did bad things, but what is punishing him now going to do? He's in a wheel chair, probably lost his mind already.


They should have sentenced him 30 years ago. It's just a waste of time now.

the clock is still ticking though.

Godfather.