Noam Chomsky's Reaction to Bin Laden’s Death

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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Byrnzie wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    either Saddam went on trial or he didn't...i don't believe he was executed for the false assertion that Iraq possessed WMDs.

    He was executed for the crimes he committed with U.S & British financial and political support.

    gaining the weapons from the us and brits does not mean that when he used them on the Kurds he was justified in doing so...thus shifting responsibility from the bomb maker to the bomb user...kind of like my other thread...except in that case it was the us responsibility for dropping the bombs...interesting how that works...seriously, is there anyway to answer a question without involving the US as the chief cause for everything ever done that was shitty?
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited May 2011
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    either Saddam went on trial or he didn't...i don't believe he was executed for the false assertion that Iraq possessed WMDs.

    He was executed for the crimes he committed with U.S & British financial and political support.

    gaining the weapons from the us and brits does not mean that when he used them on the Kurds he was justified in doing so...thus shifting responsibility from the bomb maker to the bomb user...kind of like my other thread...except in that case it was the us responsibility for dropping the bombs...interesting how that works...seriously, is there anyway to answer a question without involving the US as the chief cause for everything ever done that was shitty?

    I didn't say he was justified in killing kurds because he bought the weapons from us. The British and Americans didn't just sell him those weapons, but we sought to protect him after those atrocities were carried out. For example, Tony Blair was in the opposition party at the time and when a vote was tabled asking for official condemnation of the gassing of the Kurds he abstained from voting. Fast forward 20 years and he used the example of Falluja when telling the world that Sadaam needed to be overthrown and Iraq invaded.

    Also, where the weapons originated does matter. There are laws in place to prevent arms beomg sold to dangerous regimes who are likely to use them on civilians. So in the case of Sadaam gassing the kurds, or the Israeli's dropping white phosphorous on Palestinian civilians, the U.S is directly culpable.
    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    Byrnzie wrote:
    How come the U.S. never joined England in fighting terrorism in Northern Ireland? Because many Americans sympathized with the IRA.

    Is it terrorism that's so bad, or who's doing it?

    domestic terrorism is different though,
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,887
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    I'm not saying he's innocent but Chomsky says the only evidence we had on him was his "confession" anyway.

    HAHAHAHA...that's a good one.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    satansbed wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    How come the U.S. never joined England in fighting terrorism in Northern Ireland? Because many Americans sympathized with the IRA.

    Is it terrorism that's so bad, or who's doing it?

    domestic terrorism is different though,

    When the I.R.A set off bombs on English soil, how does that constitute domestic terrorism?
  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    Byrnzie wrote:
    satansbed wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    How come the U.S. never joined England in fighting terrorism in Northern Ireland? Because many Americans sympathized with the IRA.

    Is it terrorism that's so bad, or who's doing it?

    domestic terrorism is different though,

    When the I.R.A set off bombs on English soil, how does that constitute domestic terrorism?

    because of the good friday agreement where both north and south voted to remove the republics claim on northern ireland and northern ireland is part of the UK
  • Mariamaniatis
    Mariamaniatis Posts: 90
    Byrnzie wrote:
    How come the U.S. never joined England in fighting terrorism in Northern Ireland? Because many Americans sympathized with the IRA.

    Is it terrorism that's so bad, or who's doing it?

    Ireland for the Irish. Who cares?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Mariamaniatis wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    How come the U.S. never joined England in fighting terrorism in Northern Ireland? Because many Americans sympathized with the IRA.

    Is it terrorism that's so bad, or who's doing it?

    Ireland for the Irish. Who cares?

    Palestine for the Palestinians. Who cares?
  • Mariamaniatis
    Mariamaniatis Posts: 90
    edited May 2011
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Mariamaniatis wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    How come the U.S. never joined England in fighting terrorism in Northern Ireland? Because many Americans sympathized with the IRA.

    Is it terrorism that's so bad, or who's doing it?

    Ireland for the Irish. Who cares?

    Palestine for the Palestinians. Who cares?

    Another place where botched English Colonialism is to blame. The World doesn't need another failed Arab State.
    Post edited by Mariamaniatis on
  • Mariamaniatis
    Mariamaniatis Posts: 90
    Byrnzie wrote:

    Yep, one side calls the other "Un-American" while the other side calls the other "Unitelligent...sheep...you name it"

    And the world keeps on spinning and spinning. But Bin Laden is dead and I believe that is a good thing and I thank the Military personnel that got it done and everyone involved, including BO who gave the orders to go.



    Dont forget Abraham Lincoln for his crimes against the Confederacy or FDR for his crimes against the Nazis or JFK for his crimes against Vietnam. We get it. You hate America.
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Byrnzie wrote:

    I didn't say he was justified in killing kurds because he bought the weapons from us. The British and Americans didn't just sell him those weapons, but we sought to protect him after those atrocities were carried out. For example, Tony Blair was in the opposition party at the time and when a vote was tabled asking for official condemnation of the gassing of the Kurds he abstained from voting. Fast forward 20 years and he used the example of Falluja when telling the world that Sadaam needed to be overthrown and Iraq invaded.

    Also, where the weapons originated does matter. There are laws in place to prevent arms beomg sold to dangerous regimes who are likely to use them on civilians. So in the case of Sadaam gassing the kurds, or the Israeli's dropping white phosphorous on Palestinian civilians, the U.S is directly culpable.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le1148.htm
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Mariamaniatis wrote:
    Dont forget Abraham Lincoln for his crimes against the Confederacy or FDR for his crimes against the Nazis or JFK for his crimes against Vietnam. We get it. You hate America.

    Wow, that's clever of you.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Mariamaniatis wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Palestine for the Palestinians. Who cares?

    Another place where botched English Colonialism is to blame. The World doesn't need another failed Arab State.

    English colonialism has nothing to do with the Zionist ambition of stealing all the land between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean sea.

    The settler movement - post 1967 - also has nothing to do with early 20th century British colonialism.

    Nice try.
  • Mariamaniatis
    Mariamaniatis Posts: 90
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Mariamaniatis wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Palestine for the Palestinians. Who cares?

    Another place where botched English Colonialism is to blame. The World doesn't need another failed Arab State.

    English colonialism has nothing to do with the Zionist ambition of stealing all the land between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean sea.

    The settler movement - post 1967 - also has nothing to do with early 20th century British colonialism.

    Nice try.

    Youre level of denial is astonishing
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Mariamaniatis wrote:
    Youre level of denial is astonishing

    Great, genius.

    Now can you explain to me why illegal, Jewish-only settlements are still being built?

    Or are you just gonna call me a cunt again, and then accuse me of being an anti-Semite who also enjoyed the fact that 3000 Americans were killed during 9/11?

    I'm on the edge of my seat in anticipation.
  • Mariamaniatis
    Mariamaniatis Posts: 90
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Mariamaniatis wrote:
    Youre level of denial is astonishing

    Great, genius.

    Now can you explain to me why illegal, Jewish-only settlements are still being built?

    Or are you just gonna call me a cunt again, and then accuse me of being an anti-Semite who also enjoyed the fact that 3000 Americans were killed during 9/11?

    I'm on the edge of my seat in anticipation.

    I appreciate your continued appreciation of my intellect. Not sure what Jewish settlements have to do with Bin Laden's death so Ill pass on that subject since its totally irrelevant and I don't care. When you open up one more of your obsessed with all things Israel Ill consider a response.
  • Mariamaniatis
    Mariamaniatis Posts: 90
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Mariamaniatis wrote:
    Youre level of denial is astonishing

    Great, genius.

    Now can you explain to me why illegal, Jewish-only settlements are still being built?

    Or are you just gonna call me a cunt again, and then accuse me of being an anti-Semite who also enjoyed the fact that 3000 Americans were killed during 9/11?

    I'm on the edge of my seat in anticipation.

    Ive reconsidered. Ill answer your question. They're doing it just to give you something to obsess on. Besides hating America.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Mariamaniatis wrote:
    Ive reconsidered. Ill answer your question. They're doing it just to give you something to obsess on. Besides hating America.

    That's impressive. How long did it take you to think that up?
  • Mariamaniatis
    Mariamaniatis Posts: 90
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Mariamaniatis wrote:
    Ive reconsidered. Ill answer your question. They're doing it just to give you something to obsess on. Besides hating America.

    That's impressive. How long did it take you to think that up?

    Not long

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