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does anybody have a straight solid answer why alqaeda and bin laden started these attacks on and before 9/11
and on other country's ?
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and on other country's ?
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/i ... _1996.html
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Tres Mts. Gramercy Theatre 3/26/11
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I share his disdain...how many more fucking blades can they put on those things???!?!?!
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lByw7kvS0&feature=fvst
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai6LhnW4Oa8&NR=1
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HvzR8w1 ... re=related
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thanks Bro I'll check it out this weekend, no youtube at work.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g
Tres Mts. Gramercy Theatre 3/26/11
*formerly manutd3581
I am certainly not a scholar on this at all..but if you are interested in examples of the type of thing that has been done to try and scare people of the jewish people, do a quick google search on the protocols of the elders of zion... fascinating stuff
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I just skimmed thu it ( very long) but it seems he declared war on non muslims.
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hmmmfff...we didn't know THAT did we? :roll:
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1. bin Laden and Al-Qaeda are lunatics. They are fanatics, who misinterpret a sacred Muslim text.
2. 1953: The American led coup that installed the Shah of Iran. This is seen as the beginning of the current model of U.S. Foreign Policy in the Middle East. A foreign policy that many say is flawed. (Gots to have our oil!!)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/
http://large.stanford.edu/publications/ ... line/coup/
3. Our continued intervention into Middle Eastern affairs, including our support of Israel. Israel has not helped this fact, due to their questionable actions that have gone on for decades. This is a discussion in itself.
4. The Saudi Gov't/Monarchy allowing troops to stay in Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War of 1991. I remember watching a documentary/news special before 2001, and they interviewed a Saudi citizen about our presence in his country. he simply said, "we do not want you here. Leave." Many shared his sentiment.
5. The Carter Doctrine: http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/new/ ... rine_at_30
(p.s. Andrew Bacevich is a must read. Shares many ideas with Ron Paul concerning U.S. Foreign Policy)
6. The Reagan Corollary: "Carter's successor, President Ronald Reagan, extended the policy in October 1981 with what is sometimes called the "Reagan Corollary to the Carter Doctrine", which proclaimed that the United States would intervene to protect Saudi Arabia, whose security was threatened after the outbreak of the Iran–Iraq War. Thus, while the Carter Doctrine warned away outside forces from the region, the Reagan Corollary pledged to secure internal stability. According to diplomat Howard Teicher, "with the enunciation of the Reagan Corollary, the policy ground work was laid for Operation Desert Storm."[10] Some analysts have argued that the implementation of the Carter Doctrine and the Reagan Corollary also played a role in the outbreak of the 2003 Iraq War."
That's all I have for now.
"the horrifying pictures of the massacre of Qana, in Lebanon are still fresh in our memory. Massacres in Tajakestan, Burma, Cashmere, Assam, Philippine, Fatani, Ogadin, Somalia, Erithria, Chechnia and in Bosnia-Herzegovina took place, massacres that send shivers in the body and shake the conscience. All of this and the world watch and hear, and not only didn't respond to these atrocities, but also with a clear conspiracy between the USA and its' allies and under the cover of the iniquitous United Nations, the dispossessed people were even prevented from obtaining arms to defend themselves."
"More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (sanction) imposed on Iraq and its nation. The children of Iraq are our children. You, the USA, together with the Saudi regime are responsible for the shedding of the blood of these innocent children. Due to all of that, what ever treaty you have with our country is now null and void."
just a couple quotes.
what you might do is control F and type USA in the search box...it comes up about 12-13 times, and just read quickly about what they are reffering to the USA for...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
read the book "The Looming Tower" - Bin Laden and the hardcore funademantalist muslims needed a new enemy after Afghanistan defeated the Russians and since the US was the only superpower left it gave them an easy target to hate and to continue their campaign of power.
I think that is simplifying it a little bit...like saying they hate our freedom...it isn't necessarily that you are non-muslim...it is the perceived(wrongly or rightly isnt the question) mistreatment of muslims and islam by western forces over history with pretty specific examples...it might be worth reading the whole thing so that you truly understand the issues at the forefront of this "war"
I think if both sides tried to understand the motivations of the other we may not be in the mess we are in.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
I think he should have maybe looked at the perceived unfair take the royals and elites of these oil producing nations rather than what he thought our influence was on price fixing...there is a reason the royals have billions of dollars and the people get none of it and I don't think that has much to do with the US, I could be wrong.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
(CNN) – Osama bin Laden wore the mantle of a religious leader. He looked the part and talked a good game, but his theology was a radical departure from traditional orthodox Islam.
The pitch to join al Qaeda did not start with an invitation to put on a suicide vest but, like other religious splinter groups and cults, took advantage of disenfranchisement and poverty.
Bin Laden had no official religious training but developed his own theology of Islam.
"We don't know that (bin Laden) was ever exposed to orthodox Islamic teachings," said Ebrahim Moosa, a professor of religion and Islamic studies at Duke University.
The writing of ideologues in the Muslim Brotherhood influenced bin Laden heavily, Moosa said.
"He takes scriptural imperatives at their face value and believes this is the only instruction and command God has given him - unmediated by history, unmediated by understanding, unmediated by human experience. Now that's a difference between Muslim orthodoxy and what I would call uber- or hyperscripturalists," Moosa said.
The vast majority of Islamic scholars and imams say the teaching of the Prophet Mohammed happened in historical context that needs to be understood when reading and interpreting the Quran.
"If the likes of bin Laden, if they had spent one day or maybe one month possibly, in a madrassa (Muslim religious school) and understood how the canonical tradition is interpreted, they would not go onto this kind of destructive path they go on," Moosa said.
In the entire leadership structure of al Qaeda, "no one has had any sort of formal religious training from any seminary," said Aftab Malik, a global expert on Muslim affairs at the United Nations Alliance of Civilization. He is researching a Ph.D. on al Qaeda.
"What you had was an engineer and a doctor leading a global jihad against the whole world," Malik said. "That would never happen in normative Islam. It's just such an aberration."
John Esposito, a professor of religion and international affairs at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service, said bin Laden "appropriates Islam ... to legitimate and mobilize people."
"If you look at bin Laden's early statements and arguments, his interview with Peter Bergen on CNN ... lots of people would see it as something that would go down very well not just with many Muslims but among many analysts when he talks about longstanding political grievances," Esposito said.
"What bin Laden ends up doing is saying anyone who disagrees with him, any Muslim, is in fact an apostate," he said. That includes Muslims who would not join his fight, he said. "It's a distortion of the traditional teaching, and it just extends the parameters and the consequences in order to legitimate how when you're fighting on the ground you're fighting against your own people."
Malik said, "The key issue is of apostasy," referring to when a person leaves a faith. "One of the things Osama bin Laden deviates from is calling those people who do not implement Sharia, or God's law, on the planet as apostates. If they did not implement Sharia, they deserved death. This is a major departure from normative Islam."
"The second major deviation is the targeting of noncombatants. Even when you read in the Quran there are injunctions for fighting. But before and after the injunctions for fighting are calls for restraint. 'Do not attack monks, do not attack women, do not attack children.' And these are numerated heavily in the Hadith, which are uncontested," Malik said, referring to the sayings of the prophet and his close companions.
"What bin Laden has done is ignored those injunctions," he said. "The reason he has ignored them, in Osama bin Laden's theology it's basically a theology of anarchy.
"Once you let the genie out of the bottle you can't put it back in, and that's the big difference between al Qaeda theology and normative Islam. Normative Islam has heavy constraints - very, very heavy."
Bin Laden's theology is waning greatly in influence, Esposito said, in part because of the rise of the Arab Spring, the revolts of people on the street across the Middle East that have overthrown regimes in Tunisia and Egypt.
"(Al Qaeda's) whole notion was to develop a mass movement," Esposito said. "Well, they never did."
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How would you feel if China started to try and control everything in North America? All our recources, build some bases, Maybe overthrow a few governments and plant the ones they want in power, put sanctions on us so we couldn't get vital goods, all the while giving billions to Mexico while Mexico expands more and more into the US, but you can't doing anything cause Mexico can blow the crap out of us and nobody cares, yet if we retaliate we are terrorists making the world hate us more......
on and on and on.
I remember after 9/11 seeing this al-Qaeda propaganda video on the news of terrorists training and storming into some house then shooting at a crucifix on the wall.
They want a holy war against Christianity.
Scary stuff.
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no sorry not yet (mothers day) and bussier than a cat covering sit in a litter box but will get on it tonight after work. thanks again.
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