Lets hope...

DS1119

Lets hope that the Osama "thing" can bring a resolution to it all. After a couple of days to take it all in, I still don't know what to make of it, but I hope for the best.

gibbits

This changes absolutely nothing. It might seem like a watershed moment, but the wars will continue and expand, the TSA will still molest children, and the Patriot Act will still reign supreme.

DS1119

I don't know sh1t about anything but I do know the TSA is not there to "molest children".

whygohome

gibbits wrote:

This changes absolutely nothing. It might seem like a watershed moment, but the wars will continue and expand, the TSA will still molest children, and the Patriot Act will still reign supreme.

It is, if anything, a symbolic victory, nothing more, nothing less. What we can hope for though, is this being a watershed moment for our intelligence agencies. I would rather rely on intelligence than military strength.

Let us wait and see.

gibbits

DS1119 wrote:

I don't know sh1t about anything but I do know the TSA is not there to "molest children".

Alright, you got pat down a 6 year old with the backs of your hands on the genitals and tell me what you're charged with and I'll correct it.

cincybearcat

gibbits wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I don't know sh1t about anything but I do know the TSA is not there to "molest children".

Alright, you got pat down a 6 year old with the backs of your hands on the genitals and tell me what you're charged with and I'll correct it.

I'm sorry that happened to you.

UpSideDown

I think this just puts a symbolic bandaid on the wound of 09/11. I wonder if it may have just bumped the threat of violence up a notch, as compared to him quietly dying on his own (which would have happened in the next few yrs most likely due to his health).

I am having a hard time understanding a lot of the talk on this. I do not view this entire line of things as an accomplishment, rather I think this is more an event of closure for some people. I am not sure if we should be giving any credit to the Clinton or Bush and even the Obama administration, because I am not completely sure of the risk vs reward and overall cost (fiscal or human lives) of this on several scales. In many ways this was a failure (10 yrs not finding him, thousands of lives losts and civilian deaths in the meantime) with one covert operation done correctly at the very end.

Don't get me wrong - I still think he deserved to die. Just not sure if I agree with others' reactions right now. Not really something to celebrate in my eyes. I think it is better to acknowledge that he has been killed and humbly try to move on.

Go Beavers

It is symbolic for some. I think the concrete things it does it raise the terrorist threat for awhile and forces the question of objectives and timelines in Afghanistan.

usamamasan1

cincybearcat wrote:

gibbits wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I don't know sh1t about anything but I do know the TSA is not there to "molest children".

Alright, you got pat down a 6 year old with the backs of your hands on the genitals and tell me what you're charged with and I'll correct it.

I'm sorry that happened to you.

Digital Twilight

UpSideDown wrote:

I think this just puts a symbolic bandaid on the wound of 09/11. I wonder if it may have just bumped the threat of violence up a notch, as compared to him quietly dying on his own (which would have happened in the next few yrs most likely due to his health).

I am having a hard time understanding a lot of the talk on this. I do not view this entire line of things as an accomplishment, rather I think this is more an event of closure for some people. I am not sure if we should be giving any credit to the Clinton or Bush and even the Obama administration, because I am not completely sure of the risk vs reward and overall cost (fiscal or human lives) of this on several scales. In many ways this was a failure (10 yrs not finding him, thousands of lives losts and civilian deaths in the meantime) with one covert operation done correctly at the very end.

Don't get me wrong - I still think he deserved to die. Just not sure if I agree with others' reactions right now. Not really something to celebrate in my eyes. I think it is better to acknowledge that he has been killed and humbly try to move on.

That's a good summary and I think many are feeling the same around the world.

shadowcast

DS1119 wrote:

I don't know sh1t about anything but I do know the TSA is not there to "molest children".

Heres a theory about this. I believe homeland security had some kind of cable saying that terrorists are going to start using children. They just don't start doing things just to do them. Look at the history.

Shoe bomber: Outcome we have to start taking off our shoes for X-Rays.

Cables turn up in Europe about terrorists sneaking liquid explosives on a plane that they will mix on the plane: Outcome all carry ons have to be a certain size.

Now they just start searching kids out of the blue. I would not put it past the terrorist to start using little kids. They shocked us on 9/11 they have been shocking Israel for decades would you really put it past them?

Idris

shadowcast wrote:

Cables turn up in Europe about terrorists sneaking liquid explosives on a plane that they will mix on the plane: Outcome all carry ons have to be a certain size.

Now they just start searching kids out of the blue. I would not put it past the terrorist to start using little kids. They shocked us on 9/11 they have been shocking Israel for decades would you really put it past them?

That is a very valid argument.

However, we must always stay and never stray away from our human rights. If they have intel that terrorists may try using kids, then tell us, release the info. That is an open society. If anything it will make the terrorists use another method, because it really is just a cycle. One method, then another and so on. Until they have taken away all our rights. Just leaving the facade of freedom and security.

Until we simply eliminate the root cause of the terrorism, the best we can. In truth,

shadowcast

MrAbraham wrote:

shadowcast wrote:

Cables turn up in Europe about terrorists sneaking liquid explosives on a plane that they will mix on the plane: Outcome all carry ons have to be a certain size.

Now they just start searching kids out of the blue. I would not put it past the terrorist to start using little kids. They shocked us on 9/11 they have been shocking Israel for decades would you really put it past them?

That is a very valid argument.

However, we must always stay and never stray away from our human rights. If they have intel that terrorists may try using kids, then tell us, release the info. That is an open society. If anything it will make the terrorists use another method, because it really is just a cycle. One method, then another and so on.

Until we simply eliminate the root cause of the terrorism, the best we can. In truth,

You are right they should just tell us but people would start freaking out. I believe you would have many living in fear and sometimes ignorance is bliss.

Idris

shadowcast wrote:

You are right they should just tell us but people would start freaking out. I believe you would have many living in fear and sometimes ignorance is bliss.

Then they freak out, then they live in fear. The remedy for that? Education. It may take time, but it is whats needed.

We should never stop asking 'why', never stop searching for the truth. It should call to you, from deep in your heart. ignorance is bliss, but the truth sets you free.

DS1119

gibbits wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I don't know sh1t about anything but I do know the TSA is not there to "molest children".

Alright, you got pat down a 6 year old with the backs of your hands on the genitals and tell me what you're charged with and I'll correct it.

Not sure what you're asking but I'll say I'm checking the child for contraband...whether it's a bomb, drugs, ...I still don't think the TSA is "feeling" children for joy. There is a purpose.