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Air Strikes Kill Kadafi Son and Grandchildren

Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
edited May 2011 in A Moving Train
I have mixed feelings about this. Wondering what the train thinks.

"According to news reports, the NATO airstrike came as Kadafi and his wife were visiting the house of his son, Saif al Arab Kadafi, in Tripoli. Libyan officials said the strike killed the younger Kadafi, who was 29, along with three of Moammar Kadafi’s grandchildren"
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  • CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    i think they missed their target.
  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    I don't see how this is acceptable to anyone really. I'm stunned by the silence of the anti-war groups that have been so vocal in their opposition when it comes to Iraq and Afghanistan. Granted these were NATO air strikes, but regardless. There is a military action with no real goals in place, just like there have been in the past. You can't say this is warranted because we are taking out a ruthless thug. Saddam was cut from the same cloth, and probably committed even worse atrocities against his own people. And again I say if we are going to start targeting thugs, then let's make damn sure our next stop is Africa. There are plenty of butchers there we need to take out.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Shawshank wrote:
    And again I say if we are going to start targeting thugs, then let's make damn sure our next stop is Africa. There are plenty of butchers there we need to take out.

    Libya is in Africa.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Libya is in Africa.
    :shock:
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Ya,... death
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Libya is in Africa.
    :shock:

    :?:
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    edited May 2011
    Byrnzie wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Libya is in Africa.
    :shock:

    :?:
    All ok,was sarcastic cos of the other guy didnt know where is Libya
    Post edited by dimitrispearljam on
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Libya is in a women's panties.
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    edited May 2011
    The problem with this is that a NATO strike was specifically aimed at a private residence, he one of his youngest son who is not really involved in his father's government (There were news items earlier this year that said he even joined the pro-democracy demonstrations).

    This air-strike on his home during a family gathering (killing young children), is an obvious sign that NATO's (and therefore our different countries') aim is to kill Gaddafi - ie regime change - and not to 'protect civilians'- which is far from the remit of the UN resolution. (It's the third time missiles have been dropped on a building where Gaddafi just happened to be.) Our nations (or rather heads of states) really don't care about the civilians in the midst of this.....
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  • zarocatzarocat Posts: 1,901
    CH156378 wrote:
    i think they missed their target.

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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    redrock wrote:
    The problem with this is that a NATO strike was specifically aimed at a private residence, he one of his youngest son who is not really involved in his father's government (There were news items earlier this year that said he even joined the pro-democracy demonstrations).

    This air-strike on his home during a family gathering (killing young children), is an obvious sign that NATO's (and therefore our different countries') aim is to kill Gaddafi - ie regime change - and not to 'protect civilians'- which is far from the remit of the UN resolution. (It's the third time missiles have been dropped on a building where Gaddafi just happened to be.) Our nations (or rather heads of states) really don't care about the civilians in the midst of this.....

    This cannot be a good thing when you target a private residence and young children are killed. It matters none to me who those children belong to they are CHILDREN and I get the feeling this WILL come back to haunt the USA greatly. Sadly, we just don't seem to know when to stop our warmongering state of mind.

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  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    shit happens
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    g under p wrote:

    This cannot be a good thing when you target a private residence and young children are killed. It matters none to me who those children belong to they are CHILDREN and I get the feeling this WILL come back to haunt the USA greatly. Sadly, we just don't seem to know when to stop our warmongering state of mind.

    Peace

    well said- g under p
    This along with our country interfering in others affairs is what gives me mixed feelings. I really don't think it's about supporting a movement- it's about Frances oil. It's about using this as an excuse for higher oil prices....
    It's always about the $$$ . :( Our country seems to be falling apart on so many levels, yet we still continue to fund wars. :| Killing innocent children makes me sick. I'm very upset about that.
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    satansbed wrote:
    shit happens

    oh.. ok. :roll:
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    g under p wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    The problem with this is that a NATO strike was specifically aimed at a private residence, he one of his youngest son who is not really involved in his father's government (There were news items earlier this year that said he even joined the pro-democracy demonstrations).

    This air-strike on his home during a family gathering (killing young children), is an obvious sign that NATO's (and therefore our different countries') aim is to kill Gaddafi - ie regime change - and not to 'protect civilians'- which is far from the remit of the UN resolution. (It's the third time missiles have been dropped on a building where Gaddafi just happened to be.) Our nations (or rather heads of states) really don't care about the civilians in the midst of this.....

    This cannot be a good thing when you target a private residence and young children are killed. It matters none to me who those children belong to they are CHILDREN and I get the feeling this WILL come back to haunt the USA greatly. Sadly, we just don't seem to know when to stop our warmongering state of mind.

    Peace
    i agree. targeting residences and civilians is unethical and against the rules of war. the only thing that would make this worse is if it was a cia unmanned drone that did this. and americans wonder why the rest of the worls hates us when we continue to do shit like this....
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  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Shawshank wrote:
    And again I say if we are going to start targeting thugs, then let's make damn sure our next stop is Africa. There are plenty of butchers there we need to take out.

    Libya is in Africa.

    Sorry, wasn't thinking when I typed that at 2:30 this morning, I meant West Africa. Yes I know where Libya is.
  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    redrock wrote:
    The problem with this is that a NATO strike was specifically aimed at a private residence, he one of his youngest son who is not really involved in his father's government (There were news items earlier this year that said he even joined the pro-democracy demonstrations).

    This air-strike on his home during a family gathering (killing young children), is an obvious sign that NATO's (and therefore our different countries') aim is to kill Gaddafi - ie regime change - and not to 'protect civilians'- which is far from the remit of the UN resolution. (It's the third time missiles have been dropped on a building where Gaddafi just happened to be.) Our nations (or rather heads of states) really don't care about the civilians in the midst of this.....

    Exactly! Just like they bombed the hell out of Iraq with no regard for civilians, and that too was an effort to inflict a regime change and protect oil supplies. So what's the difference now? Both military actions were complete bullshit, and guided by the false premise that we are protecting the civilians from brutal thugs. I'm surprised there isn't more outrage here. It's mind boggling really.
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    satansbed wrote:
    shit happens

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  • hrd2imgnhrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,899
    Shawshank wrote:
    I don't see how this is acceptable to anyone really. I'm stunned by the silence of the anti-war groups that have been so vocal in their opposition when it comes to Iraq and Afghanistan. Granted these were NATO air strikes, but regardless. There is a military action with no real goals in place, just like there have been in the past. You can't say this is warranted because we are taking out a ruthless thug. Saddam was cut from the same cloth, and probably committed even worse atrocities against his own people. And again I say if we are going to start targeting thugs, then let's make damn sure our next stop is Africa. There are plenty of butchers there we need to take out.


    that is because this is a DEMOCRATIC war, the Democrats own the media so they will never question their great leader.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    hrd2imgn wrote:
    that is because this is a DEMOCRATIC war, the Democrats own the media so they will never question their great leader.

    :roll: :roll:

    so the associated press is owned by the democrats??

    NATO on defensive over strikes close to Gadhafi
    Russia, China and Brazil warn against attempts at regime change

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42852290/ns ... tn_africa/

    By SLOBODAN LEKIC
    Associated Press

    BRUSSELS — After two airstrikes in a week on targets close to Moammar Gadhafi, NATO is on the defensive over accusations it is overstepping its mandate by trying to kill the Libyan leader.

    Russia said Sunday that the bombing of the home of Gadhafi's youngest son raised "serious doubts" about NATO's assertions that it is not targeting the Libyan strongman or his relatives.

    "Disproportionate use of force ... is leading to detrimental consequences and the death of innocent civilians," the Russian Foreign Ministry warned.

    International law does not explicitly forbid attacks on military commanders during wartime, but the U.N. Security Council mandate authorizing NATO action charged alliance forces with establishing a no-fly zone and protecting civilians from attack.

    Security council members Russia, China and Brazil have warned that attempts to change the regime or eliminate its members would be a violation of the mandate.

    Alliance officials and allied leaders emphatically denied they were hunting Gadhafi in order to break a stalemate in the war between the better-trained government forces and the lightly armed rebels. NATO said the Libyan government's announcement that Gadhafi's son and three grandchildren were killed in the airstrike late Saturday remained unconfirmed.

    "All NATO's targets are military in nature and have been clearly linked to the Gadhafi regime's systematic attacks on the Libyan population and populated areas. We do not target individuals," said Canadian Lt. Gen. Charles Bouchard, who commands NATO's operation in Libya.

    Bouchard said the strike was part of NATO's strategy to disrupt and destroy "the command and control of those forces which have been attacking civilians."

    Michael Clarke, director of the Royal United Services Institute, a London military think tank, noted that NATO warplanes have been shifting their focus in the past two weeks, from providing close support for the rebels on the front lines to focusing on military and government communication nodes. The immediate aim appeared to be to impair Gadhafi's ability to direct units surrounding the besieged enclave of Misrata on the Mediterranean coast, where pro-regime forces have suffered a series of setbacks, he said.

    Another aim could be to increase the psychological pressure on Gadhafi and the people close to him, by demonstrating "that the war is getting closer to them," he said.

    Another analyst said that there was a fine line between hitting military command-and-control centers, and hitting the people commanding and controlling Libya's armed forces.

    "You're obviously risking hitting Gadhafi and members of his family, certainly those members involved in commanding the military," said Nate Hughes, director of military analysis at Stratfor, a global intelligence company.

    Hughes said there was confusion about the aim of the strikes partly because of an "inherent contradiction" about what NATO's military objectives were. Politicians in the U.S., Britain and the Netherlands are talking about forcing Gadhafi out of power but NATO continues to insist that the strongman is not a target, he noted.

    NATO took over command of the operation on March 31, after its governing body approved military plans to implement a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for the protection of civilians from attacks by regime troops.

    One of the first targets of the international force after the start of hostilities, was Gadhafi's Bab al-Aziziya presidential compound — which was previously bombed by U.S. warplanes in 1986 in retaliation for the attack on a German disco in which two U.S. servicemen were killed.

    Last Monday, another strike on the same complex destroyed two more buildings.

    At a joint news conference a day later, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and British Defense Minister Liam Fox denied the warplanes had targeted Gadhafi specifically, but said they would continue to take aim at his command centers.

    NATO says the air offensive, which began on March 21 with attacks by a U.S.-led coalition, has so far destroyed or damaged about 600 targets, including about 200 tanks and armored personnel carriers, as well as dozens of surface-to-air missile sites, ammunition dumps and artillery pieces.

    It declined to say Sunday how many command centers had been attacked.

    and here is another article where the libyans are very angry with these attacks...it is too long to post it in its entirety....

    Libyans burn UK, Italy missions after NATO strike
    Bomb reportedly kills one of Gadhafi's sons and three young grandchildren

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42848346/ns ... /n_africa/
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    I don't like it when anyone is killed. But we should never kill innocent children. :(
  • markin ballmarkin ball Posts: 1,075
    hrd2imgn wrote:
    Shawshank wrote:
    I don't see how this is acceptable to anyone really. I'm stunned by the silence of the anti-war groups that have been so vocal in their opposition when it comes to Iraq and Afghanistan. Granted these were NATO air strikes, but regardless. There is a military action with no real goals in place, just like there have been in the past. You can't say this is warranted because we are taking out a ruthless thug. Saddam was cut from the same cloth, and probably committed even worse atrocities against his own people. And again I say if we are going to start targeting thugs, then let's make damn sure our next stop is Africa. There are plenty of butchers there we need to take out.


    that is because this is a DEMOCRATIC war, the Democrats own the media so they will never question their great leader.

    Doesn't FOX have a bazillion viewers or something like that?
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    g under p wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    The problem with this is that a NATO strike was specifically aimed at a private residence, he one of his youngest son who is not really involved in his father's government (There were news items earlier this year that said he even joined the pro-democracy demonstrations).

    This air-strike on his home during a family gathering (killing young children), is an obvious sign that NATO's (and therefore our different countries') aim is to kill Gaddafi - ie regime change - and not to 'protect civilians'- which is far from the remit of the UN resolution. (It's the third time missiles have been dropped on a building where Gaddafi just happened to be.) Our nations (or rather heads of states) really don't care about the civilians in the midst of this.....

    This cannot be a good thing when you target a private residence and young children are killed. It matters none to me who those children belong to they are CHILDREN and I get the feeling this WILL come back to haunt the USA greatly. Sadly, we just don't seem to know when to stop our warmongering state of mind.

    Peace
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  • PilateOfTheStormPilateOfTheStorm Posts: 4,319
    g under p wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    The problem with this is that a NATO strike was specifically aimed at a private residence, he one of his youngest son who is not really involved in his father's government (There were news items earlier this year that said he even joined the pro-democracy demonstrations).

    This air-strike on his home during a family gathering (killing young children), is an obvious sign that NATO's (and therefore our different countries') aim is to kill Gaddafi - ie regime change - and not to 'protect civilians'- which is far from the remit of the UN resolution. (It's the third time missiles have been dropped on a building where Gaddafi just happened to be.) Our nations (or rather heads of states) really don't care about the civilians in the midst of this.....

    This cannot be a good thing when you target a private residence and young children are killed. It matters none to me who those children belong to they are CHILDREN and I get the feeling this WILL come back to haunt the USA greatly. Sadly, we just don't seem to know when to stop our warmongering state of mind.

    Peace


    i completely agree

    there is no justification for it, it's sickening
    killing to avoid more killing
    and I thought civilians were meant to be the ones who NATO was looking out for? But more deaths are happening because of this

    "Sadly, we just don't seem to know when to stop our warmongering state of mind."

    I agree 100% with that ^^ it's the most tragic thing in the world
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I'm really sick of the US playing the role of World Police. It's embarrassing.
  • vduboisevduboise Posts: 1,937
    unsung wrote:
    I'm really sick of the US playing the role of World Police. It's embarrassing.

    Its a terrible thing that happened and NATO should accept that they are targeting Kadafi and trying to get him out of the country- by any means necessary.

    But to your comment above, its not only the US that is playing a role in this disaster. There are other countries that are part of NATO- and to just single out the US is not fair. And note, when the US handed over control of the running of the Libyan operation to NATO- the rebels and some other countries wanted the US to remain in control and be in charge. President Obama said no, we did our part, its up to NATO. If NATO is overstepping its bounds, which it sounds like it is, then its up to the countries that are part of NATO to make a change in tactics.
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    unsung wrote:
    I'm really sick of the US playing the role of World Police. It's embarrassing.

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