Indoctrination disguised as conservation

aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
edited April 2011 in A Moving Train
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    What exactly was said there that's offensive to anybody? Not polluting and trying to conserve seems like a pretty sound message, no?

    PS the comments on there are hilarious.
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Give a Hoot don't pollute...


    how dare those hippiies...hahahhaha

    is this posted as a joke?
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,936
    If there was a lyrics along the lines of, "The future of green starts today and only Obama can pave the way"
    then you may have a case, but this is nothing at all, not even the beginning of a slippery slope.

    In 2010 it's been climate change, in 2000 it was recycling, in 1990 it was saving the rain forest, in 1980 it was littering, in 1970 it was pesticides. I'll have to wikipedia this but I'm pretty sure within that timespan repubs and demos have both been behind the wheel.

    signed,

    someone who doesn't vote Obama.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    uhhhh ... didn't you (OP) say polluting was bad in the other thread? ... what is wrong with one bit of that message?

    think critically people ... stop just reading stuff and posting it without thinking ... pathetic ...
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    aerial wrote:
    ...
    Re... remem... ber when you were warning us about that 'Indoctrination Video' in which Obama was going to recruit all the little children on the first day of school?
    ...
    ...
    That was cool.
    Whatever happened with that?
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Clean air and clean water are very, very bad things. Keep the children away!
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,437
    Indoctrination is surely inferior to education but I'd rather hear these kids do a little pro-earth rap over having them chant "Drill, baby drill" any day! And if you really want to teach a kid something very cool and useful, go outside with them and plant a tree.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    PS the comments on there are hilarious.
    ...
    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, 'I imagine the people quoting Hilter and Stalin... commenting about Marxism and Socialism... are the same people who want the 'Pledge Of Alligence' and teacher/administrator lead prayer in our schools'.
    ...
    I said I'd go out on a limb... but, not very far out.
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    brianlux wrote:
    Indoctrination is surely inferior to education but I'd rather hear these kids do a little pro-earth rap over having them chant "Drill, baby drill" any day! And if you really want to teach a kid something very cool and useful, go outside with them and plant a tree.

    Let's not forget that the chants of "drill, baby, drill" were loud and clear before the 11 men who died on the Deepwater Horizon were even laid to rest. Some compassionate country we got here. Repulsive.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    whygohome wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Indoctrination is surely inferior to education but I'd rather hear these kids do a little pro-earth rap over having them chant "Drill, baby drill" any day! And if you really want to teach a kid something very cool and useful, go outside with them and plant a tree.

    Let's not forget that the chants of "drill, baby, drill" were loud and clear before the 11 men who died on the Deepwater Horizon were even laid to rest. Some compassionate country we got here. Repulsive.
    ...
    You STILL hear that chant. The 11 lives don't really matter when you remember the bumper sticker slogan, "Freedom... er... Oil Isn't Free!". In that case, they died doing what they loved... so, that makes it okay that they died.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Of course... Earth Day is a radical Leftist movement!!

    How dare those kids rap about anything meaningful... :roll:
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Of course... Earth Day is a radical Leftist movement!!

    How dare those kids rap about anything meaningful... :roll:
    ...
    Actually... I don't understand why a Conservative wouldn't like Conservation. They only differ in the last two letters.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Cosmo wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Of course... Earth Day is a radical Leftist movement!!

    How dare those kids rap about anything meaningful... :roll:
    ...
    Actually... I don't understand why a Conservative wouldn't like Conservation. They only differ in the last two letters.

    Maybe they don't really know what "to conserve" means.
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    polaris_x wrote:
    uhhhh ... didn't you (OP) say polluting was bad in the other thread? ... what is wrong with one bit of that message?

    think critically people ... stop just reading stuff and posting it without thinking ... pathetic ...
    "Don’t buy plastic products off the super market shelf"? "Boycott, petition, and let big business know"…

    How about recycle your plastic instead?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial wrote:
    "Boycott, petition, and let big business know"…

    Oh my god, the horror :)

    You know what's most absurd about this outrage? It's that Republicans and especially Tea Partiers keep telling us that we don't need pesky environmental regulations. They say we don't need the EPA, the FDA, etc. They say that business will police itself because businesses know that if they don't, consumers will vote with their pocketbooks and they'll lose money for having poor business practices. (This is utter BS, by the way - witness the BP oil spill - but it's what the right and their minions have repeatedly said).

    So now you say that you're not only against regulation, but you're against boycotts and petitions, too? That's ridiculous. Make up your mind.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    michelle_8 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    "Boycott, petition, and let big business know"…

    Oh my god, the horror :)

    You know what's most absurd about this outrage? It's that Republicans and especially Tea Partiers keep telling us that we don't need pesky environmental regulations. They say we don't need the EPA, the FDA, etc. They say that business will police itself because businesses know that if they don't, consumers will vote with their pocketbooks and they'll lose money for having poor business practices. (This is utter BS, by the way - witness the BP oil spill - but it's what the right and their minions have repeatedly said).

    So now you say that you're not only against regulation, but you're against boycotts and petitions, too? That's ridiculous. Make up your mind.
    completely agreed here. big business can not police itself. if it could we woukd not have so much of the predatory capitalism that we have today. unregulated business is one step away from fascism.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    yesterday ... extreme weather took the life of approximately 175 people in the southern united states and caused millions of dollars in damage ...

    this is not meant to take a tragedy to push an agenda ... it is simply a plea to those who continue to not witness the changing world and trust the scientists that have dedicated much of their lives to our understanding of weather and global warming ...

    as long as we continue to believe the lies of big oil in order to further their greed - we can expect to see more destruction ...
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    yes on friday april 22 a tornado ripped through the neighborhood next to mine and damaged our airport pretty badly. the airport is about a mile or so from my house. i had a very close call and only had some trees come down and got a leaky roof out of it. people i know from high school had their homes completely destroyed and lost everything. on 4/23 i was basically barricaded in my neighborhood due to streets being clased. on 4/24 i went out and surveyed the damage and it was just incredible. many of the streets around my home are still unpassable and people are still without power 6 days later. on the street i take every day to go to my gym there is a stoplight. when sitting at that stoplight if you look to your right before last friday you would see a 2 story log cabin type building that housed several businesses. it was a good size building. i went to the gym sunday, stopped at that light, looked to my right and could see the highway. then it dawned on me that that building is gone. completely blown away. the only thing left was the foundation. truely scary stuff

    these tornados are very real, and in april of 2011 we have had a record nuber of them here in the US and there are still two days left with strom storms still over the country.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Until people recognize that this extreme weather is global warming, the Right will continue with the 'indoctrination' bullshit.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Until people recognize that this extreme weather is global warming, the Right will continue with the 'indoctrination' bullshit.

    The idea of Global Warming was brought to the mainstream by Al Gore. Al Gore has a "D" next to his name. This causes instant opposition because the people of America only see in Rs and Ds--they do not have the mental capacity or intellectual curiousity to see any differently. Environmentalism is simply labeled "liberal , hippie propaganda."

    Also, there is the whole thing concerning that 2,000 year old book of fiction, that fairy tale that people still cling to s the "word of god." Genesis 1:26 reads: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

    That is the opposition: stupidity and fairy tales.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,437
    whygohome wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Until people recognize that this extreme weather is global warming, the Right will continue with the 'indoctrination' bullshit.

    The idea of Global Warming was brought to the mainstream by Al Gore. Al Gore has a "D" next to his name. This causes instant opposition because the people of America only see in Rs and Ds--they do not have the mental capacity or intellectual curiousity to see any differently. Environmentalism is simply labeled "liberal , hippie propaganda."

    Also, there is the whole thing concerning that 2,000 year old book of fiction, that fairy tale that people still cling to s the "word of god." Genesis 1:26 reads: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

    That is the opposition: stupidity and fairy tales.

    Yes, stupidity and fairly tales- well said. Unfortunately, laziness and apathy are added to that mix. :( Let's hope things don't get too fouled up before it's too late.
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    brianlux wrote:
    whygohome wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Until people recognize that this extreme weather is global warming, the Right will continue with the 'indoctrination' bullshit.

    The idea of Global Warming was brought to the mainstream by Al Gore. Al Gore has a "D" next to his name. This causes instant opposition because the people of America only see in Rs and Ds--they do not have the mental capacity or intellectual curiousity to see any differently. Environmentalism is simply labeled "liberal , hippie propaganda."

    Also, there is the whole thing concerning that 2,000 year old book of fiction, that fairy tale that people still cling to s the "word of god." Genesis 1:26 reads: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

    That is the opposition: stupidity and fairy tales.

    Yes, stupidity and fairly tales- well said. Unfortunately, laziness and apathy are added to that mix. :( Let's hope things don't get too fouled up before it's too late.

    And indifference:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2011/04/2 ... n-capacity

    Adam wrote a wonderful blog post this week. His college students, he tells us, typically respond with a sense of powerlessness when they fully absorb the dire environmental challenges that face the planet. In response, he encourages them to make mindful life-choices, concluding with a flourish of rhetoric worthy of a college-graduation address:

    The kids facing this century of change may end up becoming the heroic generation. There will be great challenges and great opportunities for them. There may very well be a new form of culture that needs to be built and they will be the ones building it. The point is, this time around, the process may very well begin not in the vast sphere of global politics but in the most intimate domains of immediate experience.

    I'm lifted with a warm and welcome sense of optimism.

    And then my mind wanders back to last January, when we had a lively discussion on 13.7, here, here, here, here and here, as to whether humans have a killer instinct, a "beast within."

    We went round and round. Alternatives were considered. Maybe humans are vulnerable to being manipulated into doing harm, manipulated by fear or greed or tribalism. Maybe killing is just an impulse, not an instinct. And so on.

    Commenter Phil P. (@Toasters_R_Truth) wasn't having it:

    Hmm, 25 million people killed in WWI, 100 million in WW2. If not a killer instinct, then what?

    Russell Grunloh (@boatguy) came right back:

    Phil, good point. 
For an answer I'd suggest indifference. 
Deliberately desensitized, detached, anonymously executed ... indifference. 
Far and away the most dangerous human capacity.

    Thud.

    So when humans are faced with a sense of powerlessness, which we all experience routinely, what circumstances motivate us to engage vs. detach?


    When I apply this question to myself, when I ask myself why I'm de facto indifferent to issue X, I find myself coming up with a bunch of justifications: Not an issue I'm familiar with. Too busy as it is. Other people are better poised to deal with it than I am. Maybe the issue is more complex than it appears and I don't know how to sort it out. Maybe the problem will go away of its own accord. Yada yada.

    It's total flimflam.

    Feeling crummy, I next try to find solace in those moments when I've stuck my neck out, walked the walk, made some sort of difference — however inconsequential. That helps.

    And then, what helps me the most is this: I realize that, while I agree with Russell that indifference is indeed our most dangerous capacity, I actually do believe that it's on the wane.

    When I scroll back to my 1950's Connecticut girlhood and recall how clueless everyone was about just about everything, how we mindlessly parroted concepts like "Better Dead Than Red" and the "Domino Theory," how my friends were all lily-white and Koreans were gooks and I would have had no idea where to find Nigeria on a map – when I go back there and then think about Adam's students and my students and my kids and what they've come to understand and care about, it gets a whole lot better.

    Margaret Mead can take us out:

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
  • LizardLizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    WOW
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,437
    Good points, whygohome- very thought provoking.

    During the The Tokugawa shogunate , Japan enjoyed a long period of peace- something like 260 years. Other countries have had lesser but significant periods of peace. Peace is possible! It is easy to get discouraged by looking at human nature- or even animal nature- killling, survival of the fittest, etc. Our insticts help keep us alive but we also have an intellect and emotions that we can use for the common good and if those traits are nurtured, the existence of lasting peace can flourish.
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