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  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    These are interesting...I still have doubts about the JFK assassination, though. I don't doubt the lone gunman issue, but I do suspect that there is much more to it.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    THE 9-11 event is one of my favorites,I can't believe some people really believe that our own government was behind the attacks... :crazy:

    Godfather.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    EmBleve wrote:
    These are interesting...I still have doubts about the JFK assassination, though. I don't doubt the lone gunman issue, but I do suspect that there is much more to it.
    I think if Ruby hadn't shot Oswald it'd be way less suspicious (Cap't Obvious strikes again).
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    ^^^ yes, on both counts. :)
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I refuse to believe that Bush and co. had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. He and Cheney refused to work with the 9/11 commission which begs to ask: What do they have to hide? And why did Building 7 go down with nothing causing it to? That's just 2 questions... there's just way too many questions unanswered.
  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    Godfather. wrote:
    THE 9-11 event is one of my favorites,I can't believe some people really believe that our own government was behind the attacks... :crazy:

    Godfather.

    It's probably more like, Bush had no direct knowledge about 9/11, if anything he was just a pawn. But why is it so crazy to think that the US government could not be behind something like the 9/11 attacks? especially when one factors in how well the US was able to use 9/11 to put into motion the new world order.

    Use Fear to control the masses, it's been done for years by many governments, the US has openly done such bad things, so it's for sure not out of the question that they could be behind 9/11.

    Now I'm not saying that they were, just showing that based on Americas own history, it is not below them to do something like what went down on 9/11.

    Also like to add, Israel I think knew about the attacks before they happened. Factoring in the Israeli spies being caught on 9/11 and the whole attempt to cover up the story.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... aelis.html
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    edited April 2011
    MrAbraham wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    THE 9-11 event is one of my favorites,I can't believe some people really believe that our own government was behind the attacks... :crazy:

    Godfather.

    It's probably more like, Bush had no direct knowledge about 9/11, if anything he was just a pawn. But why is it so crazy to think that the US government could not be behind something like the 9/11 attacks? especially when one factors in how well the US was able to use 9/11 to put into motion the new world order.

    Use Fear to control the masses, it's been done for years by many governments, the US has openly done such bad things, so it's for sure not out of the question that they could be behind 9/11.

    Now I'm not saying that they were, just showing that based on Americas own history, it is not below them to do something like what went down on 9/11.

    Also like to add, Israel I think knew about the attacks before they happened. Factoring in the Israeli spies being caught on 9/11 and the whole attempt to cover up the story.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... aelis.html

    no real motive in my opinion, this war could have been started without 9-11 and that we are in afgan is enough to give that idea some credabilty and the money factor where is it ? that seems more of a loss to me.
    and a new world order, well you can thank everybody who voted for change on that in my opinion.
    truth of the matter is people love a good conspirecy because the simple truth is never good enough.

    Godfather.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    My take...
    The Bush Administration was too fucking inept to pull off September 11th. My arguement... look at fucking IRAQ. How fucked up is that? What about how fucked up they handled the response to Katrina? And how about fucking up the economy? A bunch that fucked up could never successfully plan and execute the September 11th attacks. They USED the attacks to sell a War of Choice against Hussein... which idiot America bought.
    The Kennedy Assassination... Oswald was trained by the U.S. Marines to handle a rifle. Whenever you hear morons on T.V. talk about not being able to get 3 shots off with a bolt action rifle... they are not very familiar with handling a rifle.
    Birthers = Nimrods. Just look up the fucking information... nimrods.
    Sarah Palin is Trig's mom. There are plenty of legitimate arguements to make against Palin as a political leader... picking on her about her kid is as stupid as the Obama Birther nimrods.
    Predictions. Guesses are more like it. Anyone who believes that a fucking football team can predict an election outcome... should do their country a favor and stay at home on Election Day and watch soap operas.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Cosmo wrote:
    My take...
    The Bush Administration was too fucking inept to pull off September 11th. My arguement... look at fucking IRAQ. How fucked up is that? What about how fucked up they handled the response to Katrina? And how about fucking up the economy? A bunch that fucked up could never successfully plan and execute the September 11th attacks. They USED the attacks to sell a War of Choice against Hussein... which idiot America bought.
    The Kennedy Assassination... Oswald was trained by the U.S. Marines to handle a rifle. Whenever you hear morons on T.V. talk about not being able to get 3 shots off with a bolt action rifle... they are not very familiar with handling a rifle.
    Birthers = Nimrods. Just look up the fucking information... nimrods.
    Sarah Palin is Trig's mom. There are plenty of legitimate arguements to make against Palin as a political leader... picking on her about her kid is as stupid as the Obama Birther nimrods.
    Predictions. Guesses are more like it. Anyone who believes that a fucking football team can predict an election outcome... should do their country a favor and stay at home on Election Day and watch soap operas.

    :lol::lol::lol: .... :shock: you have a way with words my friend and I have to agree with you on all accounts
    but I'll need some time to clean the soda off my key pad and blow my nose. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    MrAbraham wrote:
    It's probably more like, Bush had no direct knowledge about 9/11, if anything he was just a pawn. But why is it so crazy to think that the US government could not be behind something like the 9/11 attacks? especially when one factors in how well the US was able to use 9/11 to put into motion the new world order.
    Why is it crazy?

    Well, in my opinion, this would have be one of the most well though-out and perfectly executed plans and cover-ups in the history of mankind. And yet this same team of masterminds couldn't plant W.M.D.s in a foreign occupied country to justify going to war?

    One event happened during a 6 hour window, in broad daylight, was televised, had millions of witnesses, four hi-jacked planes, demolition teams to destroy a block of buildings in America's biggest metropolitan area, missile strikes on the Pentagon, Air Force jets taking down a passenger plane (why?), required everyone involved to stay silent about their involvement for ten years going, and about 3,000 other things that had to go perfectly.

    The other event had a five year window in which this same team of g-men could have gone into a large country, with vast unpopulated areas, in which they had total control of and plant some W.M.D.s to justify the cost of going to war ... but this was somehow too difficult to coordinate and plan. This is the same team of masterminds accused of coordinating the events of 9/11.

    Anyway, this has been debated many times before. Some want to believe, so be it.
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Jason P wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:
    It's probably more like, Bush had no direct knowledge about 9/11, if anything he was just a pawn. But why is it so crazy to think that the US government could not be behind something like the 9/11 attacks? especially when one factors in how well the US was able to use 9/11 to put into motion the new world order.
    Why is it crazy?

    Well, in my opinion, this would have be one of the most well though-out and perfectly executed plans and cover-ups in the history of mankind. And yet this same team of masterminds couldn't plant W.M.D.s in a foreign occupied country to justify going to war?

    One event happened during a 6 hour window, in broad daylight, was televised, had millions of witnesses, four hi-jacked planes, demolition teams to destroy a block of buildings in America's biggest metropolitan area, missile strikes on the Pentagon, Air Force jets taking down a passenger plane (why?), required everyone involved to stay silent about their involvement for ten years going, and about 3,000 other things that had to go perfectly.

    The other event had a five year window in which this same team of g-men could have gone into a large country, with vast unpopulated areas, in which they had total control of and plant some W.M.D.s to justify the cost of going to war ... but this was somehow too difficult to coordinate and plan. This is the same team of masterminds accused of coordinating the events of 9/11.

    Anyway, this has been debated many times before. Some want to believe, so be it.


    I actually feel sorry for Bush and cheney here... I mean, they screwed up the country pretty good, but to think that people hate them with such passion they actually believe they were responsible for 9/11...the guy must be a great actor, I mean if they had something to do with 9/11 he should have won an oscar for convincing everyone he was a bit of a dimwit and a coward...you can tell he didn't have anything to do with it when he looked stunned and sick while reading to those kids...that guy looked like someone shit in his cereal... but you are right, people definitely believe what they want
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  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    I think 9/11 was totally caught off-guard by the Bush camp....I can't imagine there is any way possible that our government formulated this in any fashion---if it did, then we, as Americans, are the most gullible culture on the planet....I just refuse to believe (as a categorically, anti-government, semi-non-patriotic, socialistic advocate rule person), that the US government planned the 9/11 attack to the WTC in NYC!!--I mean, it's just BEYOND any reasonable, formulated plan by the US gov---what would be the objective in such a heist??????? That's flocking crazy to me, and just another reason for the bush-haters to indict him in such a plot....that mofo was LOST.......he didn't know what to do.......and I am NOT a 'republican' (again), in fact, I am independent, but still, I am an american citizen (and he was the president--can anyone imagine what it was like to be PRESIDENT when that happened-he had a TON of shit go down in his term??).....and things that we do are warped and demented and dogmatic, but I can't believe that this was a 'plan'...........now, Katrina, that's a different story. He failed.
    oh...p.s. what is this 'new world order'???????
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I refuse to believe that Bush and co. had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. He and Cheney refused to work with the 9/11 commission which begs to ask: What do they have to hide? And why did Building 7 go down with nothing causing it to? That's just 2 questions... there's just way too many questions unanswered.
    I am truly interested in why you think this...
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    MrAbraham wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    THE 9-11 event is one of my favorites,I can't believe some people really believe that our own government was behind the attacks... :crazy:

    Godfather.

    It's probably more like, Bush had no direct knowledge about 9/11, if anything he was just a pawn. But why is it so crazy to think that the US government could not be behind something like the 9/11 attacks? especially when one factors in how well the US was able to use 9/11 to put into motion the new world order.

    Use Fear to control the masses, it's been done for years by many governments, the US has openly done such bad things, so it's for sure not out of the question that they could be behind 9/11.

    Now I'm not saying that they were, just showing that based on Americas own history, it is not below them to do something like what went down on 9/11.

    Also like to add, Israel I think knew about the attacks before they happened. Factoring in the Israeli spies being caught on 9/11 and the whole attempt to cover up the story.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... aelis.html
    what is this 'new world order'? (and I am not against what your opinion is, just really interested)
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    Jason P wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:
    It's probably more like, Bush had no direct knowledge about 9/11, if anything he was just a pawn. But why is it so crazy to think that the US government could not be behind something like the 9/11 attacks? especially when one factors in how well the US was able to use 9/11 to put into motion the new world order.
    Why is it crazy?

    Well, in my opinion, this would have be one of the most well though-out and perfectly executed plans and cover-ups in the history of mankind. And yet this same team of masterminds couldn't plant W.M.D.s in a foreign occupied country to justify going to war?

    One event happened during a 6 hour window, in broad daylight, was televised, had millions of witnesses, four hi-jacked planes, demolition teams to destroy a block of buildings in America's biggest metropolitan area, missile strikes on the Pentagon, Air Force jets taking down a passenger plane (why?), required everyone involved to stay silent about their involvement for ten years going, and about 3,000 other things that had to go perfectly.

    The other event had a five year window in which this same team of g-men could have gone into a large country, with vast unpopulated areas, in which they had total control of and plant some W.M.D.s to justify the cost of going to war ... but this was somehow too difficult to coordinate and plan. This is the same team of masterminds accused of coordinating the events of 9/11.

    Anyway, this has been debated many times before. Some want to believe, so be it.
    with all due respect, they definitely had wmds. We just gave them enough time to dispose of the evidence. Don't forget, we are merely citizens.......we do not deserve the truth because it's too spastic....but, did he not use those wmds on his own people?? they were some where...but to claim that we had the dogmatic notion to invade on the basis of these said wmds....that is the dogmatism...that is what they wanted us to believe.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    EmBleve wrote:
    what is this 'new world order'? (and I am not against what your opinion is, just really interested)
    I believe it was a soundbyte from George H. Bush that Ministry sampled for a kick ass song in the early 90's. It also was a professional wrestling gang led by Hollywood Hulk Hogan. :)
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  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    I have to interject here...to be as vague as is acceptably possible...that I did an internship at the Oak Ridge biological laboratory a few years ago......there are SO many things that the average US citizen is unaware of in terms of chemical/nuclear/biological warfare that noone can 'suppose' or 'believe' anything...our elected government knows things that citizens have no idea of...
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    Jason P wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    what is this 'new world order'? (and I am not against what your opinion is, just really interested)
    I believe it was a soundbyte from George H. Bush that Ministry sampled for a kick ass song in the early 90's. It also was a professional wrestling gang led by Hollywood Hulk Hogan. :)
    okay, you're a trip. :D Ministry...ain't heard of that in a minute.
  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    EmBleve wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    THE 9-11 event is one of my favorites,I can't believe some people really believe that our own government was behind the attacks... :crazy:

    Godfather.

    It's probably more like, Bush had no direct knowledge about 9/11, if anything he was just a pawn. But why is it so crazy to think that the US government could not be behind something like the 9/11 attacks? especially when one factors in how well the US was able to use 9/11 to put into motion the new world order.

    Use Fear to control the masses, it's been done for years by many governments, the US has openly done such bad things, so it's for sure not out of the question that they could be behind 9/11.

    Now I'm not saying that they were, just showing that based on Americas own history, it is not below them to do something like what went down on 9/11.

    Also like to add, Israel I think knew about the attacks before they happened. Factoring in the Israeli spies being caught on 9/11 and the whole attempt to cover up the story.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... aelis.html
    what is this 'new world order'? (and I am not against what your opinion is, just really interested)

    Novus Ordo Seclorum, it's on the back of the dollar bill, this is not just an opinion or some consipracy theory, this is the truth.

    The media, (many) corporations, schools, the ads etc etc are made to take people away from the reality, they dull our senses with drugs from the doctor, they brainwash us via TV and media.

    It's all control, guised as freedom.

    The all seeing eye, keeping us away from the truth, which is who we really are. They don't want us to know who we are, they want to tell us who we are, so we buy what they want, support what they want, do what they want.

    The second we wake up to the reality, it stops and the machine breaks down, that is their fear. So they poke at our senses everyday to keep people in the dream state, and they have done it so well, so well, that the deeper in the sleep we go, the more awake we think we are.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
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    Good grief...another 9/11 thread comes out of an interesting article. The furthest I will go on any 9/11 conspiracy is that the plane over PA was shot down TO SAVE MORE INNOCENT LIVES.
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    http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    MrAbraham wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    The media, (many) corporations, schools, the ads etc etc are made to take people away from the reality, they dull our senses with drugs from the doctor, they brainwash us via TV and media.

    It's all control, guised as freedom.

    The all seeing eye, keeping us away from the truth, which is who we really are. They don't want us to know who we are, they want to tell us who we are, so we buy what they want, support what they want, do what they want.

    The second we wake up to the reality, it stops and the machine breaks down, that is their fear. So they poke at our senses everyday to keep people in the dream state, and they have done it so well, so well, that the deeper in the sleep we go, the more awake we think we are.
    [/quote]
    I totally agree with you Mr. Abraham...IMO, it is WE who are the pawns...and regardless of how 'awake' they want us to be ...this is their strategy....this is what they want us to believe...therefore, as you say, the deeper into sleep (and into false security), we go...regardless of which political party reigns....political party is a joke a front....they all have the same goal.
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    okay, YET AGAIN, I see that I have displayed my inadequacies in reposting quotes...but, if you look to a mere few posts above, you will see to whom I respond... :D (my bad "_", whom, if you're reading this, I told you I needed a class on same, but thanks for your input. <3) and, please, take note Mr. Dunkman..... :lol::lol: typical fare....
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    MrAbraham wrote:

    Novus Ordo Seclorum, it's on the back of the dollar bill, this is not just an opinion or some consipracy theory, this is the truth.

    The media, (many) corporations, schools, the ads etc etc are made to take people away from the reality, they dull our senses with drugs from the doctor, they brainwash us via TV and media.

    It's all control, guised as freedom.

    The all seeing eye, keeping us away from the truth, which is who we really are. They don't want us to know who we are, they want to tell us who we are, so we buy what they want, support what they want, do what they want.

    The second we wake up to the reality, it stops and the machine breaks down, that is their fear. So they poke at our senses everyday to keep people in the dream state, and they have done it so well, so well, that the deeper in the sleep we go, the more awake we think we are.

    You must read David Icke, don't you?
    He writes all of this. His books are great!
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    Jeanwah wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:

    Novus Ordo Seclorum, it's on the back of the dollar bill, this is not just an opinion or some consipracy theory, this is the truth.

    The media, (many) corporations, schools, the ads etc etc are made to take people away from the reality, they dull our senses with drugs from the doctor, they brainwash us via TV and media.

    It's all control, guised as freedom.

    The all seeing eye, keeping us away from the truth, which is who we really are. They don't want us to know who we are, they want to tell us who we are, so we buy what they want, support what they want, do what they want.

    The second we wake up to the reality, it stops and the machine breaks down, that is their fear. So they poke at our senses everyday to keep people in the dream state, and they have done it so well, so well, that the deeper in the sleep we go, the more awake we think we are.

    You must read David Icke, don't you?
    He writes all of this. His books are great!
    interesting...what is the first book you think I should read???
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    You can check out "And the Truth Shall Set You Free"
    http://www.amazon.com/Truth-Shall-Set-Y ... 799&sr=8-1

    or

    "I Am Me I Am Free: The Robots' Guide to Freedom"
    http://www.amazon.com/Am-Me-Free-Robots ... 826&sr=1-1

    I was actually thinking about you last night as I was reading "I am Me..." EmBleve. I think you might like it!
  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    Jeanwah wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:

    Novus Ordo Seclorum, it's on the back of the dollar bill, this is not just an opinion or some consipracy theory, this is the truth.

    The media, (many) corporations, schools, the ads etc etc are made to take people away from the reality, they dull our senses with drugs from the doctor, they brainwash us via TV and media.

    It's all control, guised as freedom.

    The all seeing eye, keeping us away from the truth, which is who we really are. They don't want us to know who we are, they want to tell us who we are, so we buy what they want, support what they want, do what they want.

    The second we wake up to the reality, it stops and the machine breaks down, that is their fear. So they poke at our senses everyday to keep people in the dream state, and they have done it so well, so well, that the deeper in the sleep we go, the more awake we think we are.

    You must read David Icke, don't you?
    He writes all of this. His books are great!

    never read his work, I'll have to check it out.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    MrAbraham wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:

    Novus Ordo Seclorum, it's on the back of the dollar bill, this is not just an opinion or some consipracy theory, this is the truth.

    The media, (many) corporations, schools, the ads etc etc are made to take people away from the reality, they dull our senses with drugs from the doctor, they brainwash us via TV and media.

    It's all control, guised as freedom.

    The all seeing eye, keeping us away from the truth, which is who we really are. They don't want us to know who we are, they want to tell us who we are, so we buy what they want, support what they want, do what they want.

    The second we wake up to the reality, it stops and the machine breaks down, that is their fear. So they poke at our senses everyday to keep people in the dream state, and they have done it so well, so well, that the deeper in the sleep we go, the more awake we think we are.

    You must read David Icke, don't you?
    He writes all of this. His books are great!

    never read his work, I'll have to check it out.

    I highly recommend him!
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,196
    EmBleve wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:
    It's probably more like, Bush had no direct knowledge about 9/11, if anything he was just a pawn. But why is it so crazy to think that the US government could not be behind something like the 9/11 attacks? especially when one factors in how well the US was able to use 9/11 to put into motion the new world order.
    Why is it crazy?

    Well, in my opinion, this would have be one of the most well though-out and perfectly executed plans and cover-ups in the history of mankind. And yet this same team of masterminds couldn't plant W.M.D.s in a foreign occupied country to justify going to war?

    One event happened during a 6 hour window, in broad daylight, was televised, had millions of witnesses, four hi-jacked planes, demolition teams to destroy a block of buildings in America's biggest metropolitan area, missile strikes on the Pentagon, Air Force jets taking down a passenger plane (why?), required everyone involved to stay silent about their involvement for ten years going, and about 3,000 other things that had to go perfectly.

    The other event had a five year window in which this same team of g-men could have gone into a large country, with vast unpopulated areas, in which they had total control of and plant some W.M.D.s to justify the cost of going to war ... but this was somehow too difficult to coordinate and plan. This is the same team of masterminds accused of coordinating the events of 9/11.

    Anyway, this has been debated many times before. Some want to believe, so be it.
    with all due respect, they definitely had wmds. We just gave them enough time to dispose of the evidence. Don't forget, we are merely citizens.......we do not deserve the truth because it's too spastic....but, did he not use those wmds on his own people?? they were some where...but to claim that we had the dogmatic notion to invade on the basis of these said wmds....that is the dogmatism...that is what they wanted us to believe.

    Sorry, there weren't any wmds. Saying he used them on his own people implies something akin to Obama gassing the good people of Florida. Kurds weren't "his own people". They just happened to be on the wrong side of a line drawn by the League of Nations.
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