Bradley Manning to FINALLY be moved....
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ok, let's not kid ourselves here...."U.S. military officials, who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity, deny Manning was tortured, but one said "the Marines blew it” in terms of how they treated him." how about we call it what it IS! he was TORTURED!
how is this for hypocracy in action??
"no exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture."
part 1, article 2, section 2, Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. RATIFIED BY THE U.S. IN 1994....
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."
Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
"Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely. To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place.....outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment..."
Part 1, Article 3, section 1, Geneva Convention(III)
RATIFIED BY THE US IN 1955
Pfc. Manning to be transferred to Army prison
Amid prisoner abuse accusations, WikiLeaks suspect being moved from Marine Corps brig
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42668883/ns ... _security/
WASHINGTON — Under increasing public pressure and facing accusations of prisoner abuse, the Pentagon said Tuesday that it will transfer the soldier suspected of leaking secret documents to the Army prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.
The change for Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, which could come as early as Wednesday, sources told NBC News, could include a dramatic shift in the conditions of his confinement.
Manning was held in maximum security at the Marine Corps brig Quantico, Va., for more than eight months where he spent 23 hours a day and ate all his meals in an isolated cell, was permitted no contact with other prisoners, and was forced to wear chains and leg irons any time he was moved. He also was often forced to strip naked at night and stand nude in his cell for early morning inspection.
The Marines claim they took his clothes to prevent him from injuring himself. Military and Pentagon officials insist the action was punishment for what the Marines considered disrespect from Manning. Such tactics for disciplinary reasons are against military regulations.
Once at Leavenworth, he’ll be placed in a new medium-security facility. Although locked in a cell at night, he’ll have some freedom of movement in an open day room, have contact and take meals with fellow prisoners, shower when he wants and have access to books and TV. Hew will also have three hours a day of recreation time.
This will make visits with his civilian attorney, family and some friends more difficult, but it’s the nearest such facility for pre-trial confinement the Army has. Manning will have to return to Fort Belvoir in Virginia for any court appearances. Putting him back into Quantico is “out of the question,” according to Pentagon and military officials, so the Army may make arrangements with a civilian detention facility to hold him temporarily as needed.
U.S. military officials, who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity, deny Manning was tortured, but one said "the Marines blew it” in terms of how they treated him.
Both White House and Pentagon officials grew increasingly concerned by the human rights drumbeat of public accusations and criticism of Manning’s treatment and wanted to put an end to it, they said.
At a press conference Tuesday, Pentagon officials said the move was made at the request of Manning's lawyers and because a mental competency evaluation had been completed.
Defense Department general counsel Jeh C. Johnson said the Leavenworth facility would better serve Manning during a lengthier confinement before his trial. The brig at Quantico is meant for short term stays, usually of one to two months. he said.
But Johnson also praised the staff at the Quantico brig. When asked if he thought bad judgment had been used in Manning's treatment there, he said: "No, I do not believe that."
Lt. Col. Dawn Hilton, in charge of the medium-security detention facility at Leavenworth, said Manning will undergo a comprehensive evaluation upon his arrival to assess whether he is a risk to his own or others' safety.
She said the facility, which opened in January, is designed for long-term detention of pretrial inmates. Officials agreed that Manning's case, which involves hundreds of thousands of highly sensitive and classified documents, is very complex and could drag on for months, if not years.
Manning faces nearly two dozen charges, including aiding the enemy, a crime that can bring the death penalty or life in prison.
His transfer to Leavenworth comes a bit more than a week after a U.N. torture investigator complained that he was denied a request to make an unmonitored visit to Manning. Pentagon officials said he could meet with Manning, but it is customary to give only the detainee's lawyer confidential visits.
NBC News' Courtney Kube contributed to this report.
how is this for hypocracy in action??
"no exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture."
part 1, article 2, section 2, Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. RATIFIED BY THE U.S. IN 1994....
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."
Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
"Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely. To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place.....outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment..."
Part 1, Article 3, section 1, Geneva Convention(III)
RATIFIED BY THE US IN 1955
Pfc. Manning to be transferred to Army prison
Amid prisoner abuse accusations, WikiLeaks suspect being moved from Marine Corps brig
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42668883/ns ... _security/
WASHINGTON — Under increasing public pressure and facing accusations of prisoner abuse, the Pentagon said Tuesday that it will transfer the soldier suspected of leaking secret documents to the Army prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.
The change for Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, which could come as early as Wednesday, sources told NBC News, could include a dramatic shift in the conditions of his confinement.
Manning was held in maximum security at the Marine Corps brig Quantico, Va., for more than eight months where he spent 23 hours a day and ate all his meals in an isolated cell, was permitted no contact with other prisoners, and was forced to wear chains and leg irons any time he was moved. He also was often forced to strip naked at night and stand nude in his cell for early morning inspection.
The Marines claim they took his clothes to prevent him from injuring himself. Military and Pentagon officials insist the action was punishment for what the Marines considered disrespect from Manning. Such tactics for disciplinary reasons are against military regulations.
Once at Leavenworth, he’ll be placed in a new medium-security facility. Although locked in a cell at night, he’ll have some freedom of movement in an open day room, have contact and take meals with fellow prisoners, shower when he wants and have access to books and TV. Hew will also have three hours a day of recreation time.
This will make visits with his civilian attorney, family and some friends more difficult, but it’s the nearest such facility for pre-trial confinement the Army has. Manning will have to return to Fort Belvoir in Virginia for any court appearances. Putting him back into Quantico is “out of the question,” according to Pentagon and military officials, so the Army may make arrangements with a civilian detention facility to hold him temporarily as needed.
U.S. military officials, who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity, deny Manning was tortured, but one said "the Marines blew it” in terms of how they treated him.
Both White House and Pentagon officials grew increasingly concerned by the human rights drumbeat of public accusations and criticism of Manning’s treatment and wanted to put an end to it, they said.
At a press conference Tuesday, Pentagon officials said the move was made at the request of Manning's lawyers and because a mental competency evaluation had been completed.
Defense Department general counsel Jeh C. Johnson said the Leavenworth facility would better serve Manning during a lengthier confinement before his trial. The brig at Quantico is meant for short term stays, usually of one to two months. he said.
But Johnson also praised the staff at the Quantico brig. When asked if he thought bad judgment had been used in Manning's treatment there, he said: "No, I do not believe that."
Lt. Col. Dawn Hilton, in charge of the medium-security detention facility at Leavenworth, said Manning will undergo a comprehensive evaluation upon his arrival to assess whether he is a risk to his own or others' safety.
She said the facility, which opened in January, is designed for long-term detention of pretrial inmates. Officials agreed that Manning's case, which involves hundreds of thousands of highly sensitive and classified documents, is very complex and could drag on for months, if not years.
Manning faces nearly two dozen charges, including aiding the enemy, a crime that can bring the death penalty or life in prison.
His transfer to Leavenworth comes a bit more than a week after a U.N. torture investigator complained that he was denied a request to make an unmonitored visit to Manning. Pentagon officials said he could meet with Manning, but it is customary to give only the detainee's lawyer confidential visits.
NBC News' Courtney Kube contributed to this report.
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support the troops!!!
and other catch phrases......
oh so you are ok with your government hiding things from you and doing secret but terrible things in your name? and you are ok with gitmo style accomodations for an american citizen and soldier? and i guess that you are ok with your government breaking 50 year old international agreements on how to treat prisoners, including the 8th amendment...are you ok with your government denying him due process?? i had expected better from you...
let me ask you this. what american has become a victim or become killed as a result of the cables being released? has the release of the cables threatened our ability to win the wars? actually no, because if we had the ability to win the wars we would have done so 7 years ago :roll: are we now less safe as a result???? and don't you think that our enemies already hated us before the cables were released? there are no degrees of hate, you can't hate something or make something more threatened or want to destroy an enemy more than you did the day before. once the hate is there that is as bad as it can get. and let me also ask you, if you were in a unit with manning and knew him personally what would you have done? would you have respected him for what he did and seen his point in his actions? the exposing lies and crimes committed by your government and others in YOUR name? or would you contribute to his current suffering and have your current attitude towards him? i think i already know the answer given your lack of empathy for many of your fellow men that you post here so often. but hey whatever man....i'm just glad you are not the one that is making up the rules of this game as we go along....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Only good came from the cables being released. Americans NEED to know what our government is doing in our name. Our so called democracy can only tolerate so much more of this horsehit.
May not be working though as more and more news covers the birthers ~Fox~ and their hysteria. I wish we had more brave citizens like Manning and news agencies that actually covered this rather the fox calling out Manning as a traitor and not conecentrating on the frickin content of the cables.
Go Fox!!
this guy made an oath to not do what he did. he gave away secrets.
He put his hand on his heart and swore he wouldnt and he did
torture however is not on
they have done it to foreign nationals
they now are doing it to their own soldier
what happens if you show dissent
will it happen to you too
ahh poop. They made me put my hand over my heart and "pledge" allegiance too.
Dissenters can be good.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
so we convict him without a trial now?
"Manning was held in maximum security at the Marine Corps brig Quantico, Va., for more than eight months where he spent 23 hours a day and ate all his meals in an isolated cell, was permitted no contact with other prisoners, and was forced to wear chains and leg irons any time he was moved. He also was often forced to strip naked at night and stand nude in his cell for early morning inspection.
The Marines claim they took his clothes to prevent him from injuring himself. Military and Pentagon officials insist the action was punishment for what the Marines considered disrespect from Manning. Such tactics for disciplinary reasons are against military regulations.
Once at Leavenworth, he’ll be placed in a new medium-security facility. Although locked in a cell at night, he’ll have some freedom of movement in an open day room, have contact and take meals with fellow prisoners, shower when he wants and have access to books and TV. Hew will also have three hours a day of recreation time."
there is a huge improvement in conditions between the current location and the new location. he should have been in the medium security facility the entire time.
the only reason they are moving him is because they know they have tortured him and kept him from his attorney. the only things that will not allow his current treatment and detention to continue are the outrage from people like me, and the military knowing that he may walk on a technicality due to the way his rights were violated....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
He made an oath to protect his country, by leaking the cables, he is doing just that, protecting America.
Another quick thing, he did not really give away any secrets, it's not like he was leaking the recipe for Coke or some food product. No real secrets in those cables that were leaked.
We all knew America was up to no good in the world, we knew the things they did/still do. The torture, the killing of innocents,the behind the scene deals, the lies etc etc etc