As I get older

water_boywater_boy Posts: 74
edited September 2011 in Other Music
Chris Cornell's lyrics become more and more relevant, understandable and dreadfully imposing. For the first time soungarden is reaching my ears more than pearl jam. Any commonts and opinions are welcomed and encouraged.
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  • water_boywater_boy Posts: 74
    Not that I have a new or any issue with this matter BUT Eddie's words make me look at the world be reflecting on my past while FOR TUE FIRST TIME AFTER 20 YEARS I prefer these older words by Chris because they make me look at myself and I feel I have left myself behind while the world has moved on and I must catch up
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  • water_boywater_boy Posts: 74
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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  • water_boywater_boy Posts: 74
    thank you, but maybe because i haven't done enough for myself over these years, the world is so fucked now, whats the point?
    Jordan
  • water_boywater_boy Posts: 74
    ill leave reporting to the professionals, commentary is for the song writers, long live free press
    Jordan
  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    Chris Cornell is a very intense lyricist. Him and Eddie are both very intense songwriters I think, that delve into the darker parts of the psyche, taking you places that many other singers don't go. I have got a lot from both of them over the years. I have found Cornell's songs have really touched me when I have been living some dark, intense and turbulent times. I think the main difference between Vedder and Cornell's songwriting is that Cornell walks these dark, tormented paths of the mind, the 'fucked up' parts, a lot, and gets the listener joining him in a kind of twisted defiant place - whereas Eddie, although he goes to some dark places in his songs, they always seem to come back towards the light, and find more resolution somehow than Cornell's.

    My favourite work of Cornell's is Badmotorfinger, Superunknown, Down on the Upside, and TOTD - but it is TOTD that for me contains the most resolution to the emotions - in the singing, as well as the songwriting
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  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    His Lyrics on many of the Audioslave songs are solid. They can come across as a bit abstract at times, but they often paint a pretty amazing picture when looked at and taken into context of human nature and the emotions we often go through.
  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    MrAbraham wrote:
    His Lyrics on many of the Audioslave songs are solid. They can come across as a bit abstract at times, but they often paint a pretty amazing picture when looked at and taken into context of human nature and the emotions we often go through.

    Yes, I love the Audioslave debut particularly - a departure I notice for him here is there seem to me quite a lot of deep, dark religious or spiritual lyrics. Like a Stone is a good example - he seems to be yearning on the debut for a mystical other place. Vedder also goes to some spiritual places I think, particularly on No Code, Riot Act and Backspacer - but typically Cornell's lyrics seem more connected to an immediate visceral experience. I think he writes more viscerally than Vedder, when it comes to expressing inner demons especially
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  • water_boywater_boy Posts: 74
    again I at at a time where I need to expand, I have never sat and listened to an audio slave album thru from start to finish. Any in particular to start with? Everyone always says to start with ok computer when it comes to radio head if you get my drift ...
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    water_boy wrote:
    again I at at a time where I need to expand, I have never sat and listened to an audio slave album thru from start to finish. Any in particular to start with? Everyone always says to start with ok computer when it comes to radio head if you get my drift ...


    Try the first Audioslave one first! :D
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  • water_boywater_boy Posts: 74
    what am i saying ive never listened to a soundgarden album though from start to end?!

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  • TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,491
    Yes, I never really listened to that much SG because PJ has consumed the last 18 years of my life but you are correct in listening to CC's lyrics as they are awesome. Tremors hits a lot of nails on the head as usual in my opinion. I will just add that yes Eddie and Chris have different writing styles and between them both I think it is safe to say you have all the bases covered. Bravo!
  • water_boywater_boy Posts: 74
    so ive listened to superunknown a few times through from start to finish, and HOLY SHIT that shits hot. Im so mad for not expanding beyond soundgarden's singles. I stand by my original statement too, eddie makes me want to better the world while chirs makes me want to better myself. Ive got a lot of listening/catching up to do.
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  • water_boywater_boy Posts: 74
    edited May 2011
    I have to say as well too, pj's combination of lyrics with stone mike jeff and matt, I was ok at trumpet, I get instruments, but I don't know how to write melody, I just know when I like it. Some songs of soundgarden's I have trouble with the melodies.
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  • alliw719alliw719 Posts: 99
    Chris Cornell's singing, particularly in Temple of the Dog and Soundgarden, remindes me of standing outside in a thunderstorm screaming out loud while the rain is pouring down and cleansing me at the same time.
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    water_boy wrote:
    so ive listened to superunknown a few times through from start to finish, and HOLY SHIT that shits hot. Im so mad for not expanding beyond soundgarden's singles. I stand by my original statement too, eddie makes me want to better the world while chirs makes me want to better myself. Ive got a lot of listening/catching up to do.


    I think it's interesting and not insane to compare Vedder and Cornell's songwriting. I also think they have influenced each other greatly - I wouldn't be surprised if Eddie has lived with Cornell's songs as much as any Soundgarden fan, and I think Cornell would also have absorbed quite a lot of Pearl Jam. For me they are the two best songwriters of the 'Grunge' era - they both have powerful, no holds barred singing styles - but it is their lyrics for me which prevents them straying into David Coverdale territory. They both tackle the dark side of life in a way which seems real, draws on an intense part of themselves, and I have found can be really powerful when you (the listener) are experiencing hardship - they both have a very cathartic effect on me. Where I think they differ is that Cornell tends to go more and more into the twisted dark sides of the psyche, and stays there - whereas Eddie goes into that territory, but then comes back to a more real world 'fight back' place. I'll try and think of some examples of this..... off the top of my head - Deep has a lot of dark elements, but has a clear moral message, and calls for you not to overidentify with the states of mind described, but stand clear of them - to be better than them, whereas Mailman get right inside the dark and twisted state of mind, and sticks there. On other songs, sometimes I get more from sticking with where Cornell takes you - Rusty Cage, Outshined - you almost relish staying right within the anguish, and disarray - and the effect is very powerful and cleansing..... other times I need to listen to In Hiding, and 'surface' with the song - or be up In My Tree and go with to the place of refinding the innocence, the inner sense. The reason why at the end of the day I have come back to Vedder's songs over the years, more than Cornell's is that Eddie seems most interested in finding this 'inner sense' within all of his songs - and that can be very healing.
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  • water_boywater_boy Posts: 74
    I dont know how to define music but I know it when I hear it
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    That being said, I used to like bugs. Now I got 'em! A SHOE?! REALY?!
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  • bburpeebburpee Posts: 193
    Chris' ability to create an interesting word picture has really gone south over time. I used to think it was all the "I this" and "I that" in Audioslave songs, but I just think he's overthinking the whole lyric thing. His Soundgarden lyrics are excellent - some of them just amazing works that resonate in how interesting they fit together. His AS lyrics are very predictable... you could probably ask a newcomer to fill in the blanks, and they could do it.

    Nobody's predicting these lines:

    "Pale in the flare light
    The scared light cracks & disappears
    And leads the scorched ones here
    And everywhere no one cares"

    "I was crying from my eye teeth and bleeding from my soul
    And I sharpened my wits on a dead man's skull
    I built an elevator from his bones
    Had to climb to the top floor just to stamp out the coals"

    "Bit down on the bullet now
    I had a taste so sour
    I had to think of something sweet
    Love's like suicide
    Safe outside my gilded cage
    With an ounce of pain
    I wield a ton of rage
    Just like suicide"

    Yep. Great stuff.
    Is it too much to ask for a full-blown Temple of the Dog set? Probably.
  • totally agree - chris' music made a very late arrival in my life (and Im thankful) but definitely the soundgarden lyrics and music are far superior to his solo or audioslave stuff. I think I like the solo stuff more than audioslave
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  • alliw719 wrote:
    Chris Cornell's singing, particularly in Temple of the Dog and Soundgarden, remindes me of standing outside in a thunderstorm screaming out loud while the rain is pouring down and cleansing me at the same time.
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  • october22october22 Posts: 2,533
    bburpee wrote:
    Chris' ability to create an interesting word picture has really gone south over time. I used to think it was all the "I this" and "I that" in Audioslave songs, but I just think he's overthinking the whole lyric thing. His Soundgarden lyrics are excellent - some of them just amazing works that resonate in how interesting they fit together. His AS lyrics are very predictable... you could probably ask a newcomer to fill in the blanks, and they could do it.

    Nobody's predicting these lines:

    "Pale in the flare light
    The scared light cracks & disappears
    And leads the scorched ones here
    And everywhere no one cares"

    "I was crying from my eye teeth and bleeding from my soul
    And I sharpened my wits on a dead man's skull
    I built an elevator from his bones
    Had to climb to the top floor just to stamp out the coals"

    "Bit down on the bullet now
    I had a taste so sour
    I had to think of something sweet
    Love's like suicide
    Safe outside my gilded cage
    With an ounce of pain
    I wield a ton of rage
    Just like suicide"

    Yep. Great stuff.

    WOW! Thank you for posting this! I was OBSESSED with this record in middle school. Bought it the day it came out it was all I listened to for a very long time but damn, I don't think I ever really stopped and took in those lyrics. And I'm a very lyric-driven person! It's been years since I've listened to that song and I just played it now and I'm blown away.

    I'm happy to read this thread and go back to some of those old songs. For me I never really gave Cornell much credit as a lyricist. I was always just more into his abilities as a singer. I wrote his lyrics off a lot thinking they were too much "this vs this, that versus that" kind of thing. Almost like he would find a theme or convention and fill in the blanks. I don't know if that makes sense. I'm enjoying going back and listening again.
  • Who else didnt make the cut?
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