Kucinich on Libya

DPrival78

Article, "I Love Dennis Kucinich," summarizing speech given yesterday by the congressman:
http://www.progressive.org/wx040111.html

Full text of speech:
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf ... _cong.html

"The critical issue before this nation today is not Libyan democracy, it is American democracy..."

aerial

I agree....but what can be done....will the press cover this?

Drowned Out

watching now, thanks....

Am I the only one who feels that commitment-phobic, cold-feet feeling you get when you're falling for someone who hasn't really earned trust yet, when watching Dennis or Ron Paul speak? I know their supporters will point to their exemplary records...but I have such trust issues with politicians

Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul need to lead by example, and run together in 2012 (as independents?). What better way to show it's possible for the right and left to come together to save your country from partisan politics, and the fascists running both parties, than to have the only two nationally recognized politicians of conscience, unite and find a way to make their ideological differences function in unity? PLEASE.

Drowned Out

This sums it up. Part 2 of this is money. Pulling out all the stops. I mean, reading the quote below, and listening to Obama, you'd think there has never been a more justifiable war in history.

Dennis Kucinich wrote:

"Mr. Speaker, we saw, in the president's address to the nation on March 28, how mismatched elements are being hastily stitched together into a new war doctrine...let's review them:

1.An executive privilege to wage war
2. war, based on verbal threats
3. Humanitarian war
4. pre-emptive war
5. unilateral war
6. war for regime change
7. war against a nation, whose government this administration determines to be illegitimate
8. war authorized through the UN security counil
9. war authorized through NATO and the Arab League
10. war authorized by a rebel group, against it's despised government

kenny olav

I agree that it's creepy that war is never officially declared anymore. The war in Libya could be justified, but make it official, and call it "war". They always pussyfoot around direct language. As much as the Libyan people need a proper government, I'm unable to be optimistic about how the world's leaders will handle this.

zarocat

QUESTION: All the republicans who give the republican party a bad name, you know who they are, is Dennis Kucinich one of them or is he one of those people seen as a true representative of the republican parties should be interests ?

phillypjhead

Last I check Kucinich is a Democrat...

zarocat

DPrival78 wrote:

Full text of speech:
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf ... _cong.html

"U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich spoke to Congress Thursday about the conflict in Libya. Here is his speech as prepared for delivery, with links provided by his office."

oops, I thought the 'Rep' meant Republican but it means Representative, correct ? My bad

mickeyrat

zarocat wrote:

DPrival78 wrote:

Full text of speech:
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf ... _cong.html

"U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich spoke to Congress Thursday about the conflict in Libya. Here is his speech as prepared for delivery, with links provided by his office."

oops, I thought the 'Rep' meant Republican but it means Representative, correct ? My bad

Yes that means representative. He's a Congressmen , a member of the House Of Representatives.

Eliot Rosewater

Kucinich has done a lot of good for this country. But he's not without flaws. Too bad, because his message here needs to be heard and spread and he's often discredited since he flip flopped on the whole health care bullshit.

Does anyone here think this Libya debacle is just a distraction from the nuclear plant that has been constantly dumping highly radioactive water into our oceans? That thought occurred to me the other day....and I'm not saying I strongly believe that, but I think it's a real possibility.

DPrival78

Eliot Rosewater wrote:

Does anyone here think this Libya debacle is just a distraction from the nuclear plant that has been constantly dumping highly radioactive water into our oceans? That thought occurred to me the other day....and I'm not saying I strongly believe that, but I think it's a real possibility.

i wouldn't doubt that. i certainly don't believe that what we're doing there was at all driven by humanitarianism. there are other motives there.

Jason P

zarocat wrote:

QUESTION: All the republicans who give the republican party a bad name, you know who they are, is Dennis Kucinich one of them or is he one of those people seen as a true representative of the republican parties should be interests ?

All I know is that he's the dick that sued a cafeteria because he bit down on an olive pit in his sandwich.

Jeanwah

Eliot Rosewater wrote:

Does anyone here think this Libya debacle is just a distraction from the nuclear plant that has been constantly dumping highly radioactive water into our oceans? That thought occurred to me the other day....and I'm not saying I strongly believe that, but I think it's a real possibility.

Ha! The U.S. govt is known for using stories as distractions from other events going on, Bush was known for doing that well.

Kucinich has a valid point. Why he didn't bring it up when Bush declared war without Congress' approval is beyond me, though. Perhaps he did? But I think he could do better... he's wasting his time with this. He's also scurrying for additional support to keep him in Congress right now.

phillypjhead

Without debating whether or not we should have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan, I have to question the statement that Bush went to war without Congressional approval. On October 11, 2002, the resolution to use force against Iraq passed the Senate. The Afghan war also received Congressional approval before we went in. Its OK to be against the wars, but lets not revise history on this board.