Does the failure of one transaction destroy a prior history of many positive transactions?
Is that the question?
And if so, who answers?
Great question. But would you rely on him? The whole point of the list is reliable people. It says A+ people you can Buy/trade with. Not a A or B+ person.
What happens if you buy his next poster, but he likes it.He keeps it The poster sells out now you have to spend more or take more time to find it.
Can he be a reliable person now. Yes. Ive stated I would like to get maybe a few others to say if a person belongs. Should an asterix be put on the side of his name. I dont know. I dont want to be the ass hole. But I didnt not complete the sale.
Does the failure of one transaction destroy a prior history of many positive transactions?
Is that the question?
And if so, who answers?
Great question. But would you rely on him? The whole point of the list is reliable people. It says A+ people you can Buy/trade with. Not a A or B+ person.
What happens if you buy his next poster, but he likes it.He keeps it The poster sells out now you have to spend more or take more time to find it.
Can he be a reliable person now. Yes. Ive stated I would like to get maybe a few others to say if a person belongs. Should an asterix be put on the side of his name. I dont know. I dont want to be the ass hole. But I didnt not complete the sale.
I was just trying to make use of wordplay using the last 2 lines of Alive
Does the failure of one transaction destroy a prior history of many positive transactions?
Is that the question?
And if so, who answers?
Great question. But would you rely on him? The whole point of the list is reliable people. It says A+ people you can Buy/trade with. Not a A or B+ person.
What happens if you buy his next poster, but he likes it.He keeps it The poster sells out now you have to spend more or take more time to find it.
Can he be a reliable person now. Yes. Ive stated I would like to get maybe a few others to say if a person belongs. Should an asterix be put on the side of his name. I dont know. I dont want to be the ass hole. But I didnt not complete the sale.
Ultimately though, you have to make the decision as it is your thread and you took that responsibility whether intended or not when you started it. You started it as a great idea, but there is a bunch of gray out there... That puts the onus on you and forces you to defend whichever choice you make.
I don't think the asterik would work because it would be better to not have your name listed at all.
Maybe Starmap should make his own thread and have people who are happy with his transactions post there...
Does it really bother Starmap THAT much that your not on the list? Its not the be-all-and-all. Hell, my name's not on the list but people still trade with me. I get on with my life just fine. Your acting like people act when they know someone but aren't friends on Facebook. Grow up dude.
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hoff is being a little unreasonable. dude kept in contact with you and refunded you the money.
I disagree. People on this board sometimes make deals and then break them because they get a better offer or realize they can get more money. This is a bad practice. Come on man we have threads where people give stuff away. This is what we should be doing here not trying to one up everyone for $20.
I agree returning the money is not the point at all. It is the point that they had a deal, and then chose to break it because he possibly got a better offer. Returning the money does not make the situation right.
Ponder this Question Folks:
Imagine if Ten Club said "Hey we can get more money for your EV Solo Tour Tix's on Stub Hub, so we are refunding your money, and are goning to sell out tix's there instead." Will that make it right because they refunded you your money?
Does the failure of one transaction destroy a prior history of many positive transactions?
I do not think dwhite or the Hoff are asking people to change their mind or minds about people. People should trade with whoever they feel comfortable trading with. I personally would not choose to trade with a person who uses this tactic, as it has the propensity to lead to other shady tactics, not saying it does or would, but I would hate to think I have soething coming my way and then blammo get a "Sorry Dude" response! I am sure people around here will surely be fired up if this did or has happened to them.
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hoff is being a little unreasonable. dude kept in contact with you and refunded you the money.
I disagree. People on this board sometimes make deals and then break them because they get a better offer or realize they can get more money. This is a bad practice. Come on man we have threads where people give stuff away. This is what we should be doing here not trying to one up everyone for $20.
I agree returning the money is not the point at all. It is the point that they had a deal, and then chose to break it because he possibly got a better offer. Returning the money does not make the situation right.
Ponder this Question Folks:
Imagine if Ten Club said "Hey we can get more money for your EV Solo Tour Tix's on Stub Hub, so we are refunding your money, and are goning to sell out tix's there instead." Will that make it right because they refunded you your money?
Does the failure of one transaction destroy a prior history of many positive transactions?
I do not think dwhite or the Hoff are asking people to change their mind or minds about people. People should trade with whoever they feel comfortable trading with. I personally would not choose to trade with a person who uses this tactic, as it has the propensity to lead to other shady tactics, not saying it does or would, but I would hate to think I have soething coming my way and then blammo get a "Sorry Dude" response! I am sure people around here will surely be fired up if this did or has happened to them.
ponder how some board member named "senrock" committed to buy my extra in camden 06 and then didn't answer her phone and acted like it was no big deal... said she found a better seat. we've all been fucked before. only here i did NOT get to recoup my money. i was pissed then, but i'm not anymore, but that's because i let it go. i ate the ticket BTW. i wasn't trying to find anything better here (in the past transaction in question). it's not justification. it is what it is. i got tanked and didn;t get the extra i needed to make hoff happy. plain and simple.
I've given away lots of stuff... contributed to most holy graIL crusades... and traded successfully dozens of times with all but one person on one occassion here on the boards in the last 7 or 8 years... but i'm not worthy of being on the decent guys to trade with list... i've clearly been framed by the framer. no pun intended. clearly, this is just a list, but it's slightly insulting. now why i not bitching?
I'm pretty sure you mean "blacklisted."
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Yes you are correct in ways people should for give. But Not forget. I do believe you have done good in your life and have had many good trades. I admitted that my thread is not perfect and is in its infancy. I dont know how to go about some one with a blemish on his buying/selling. Should an asterisk go by your name. I dont know. Im sorry you happen to be the first case like this. Im pretty sure it wont be the last. The thread is just a reference. We dont have a hand shake or membership card. The 1 rule. Dont be an ass hole (I believe Eddie said that first but I dont think he'll mind if I use it)
Oh yeah, I didnt blackball you. You did
But you at least agree that we should have a handshake, right? I am totally down for that...
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The irony is if Starmap hadn't done this thread maybe alot of people wouldn't know what happened with him and Hoff. I didn't. So he's kinda shot himself in the foot really. And the title of the thread is way off in my opinion
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Ill stay out of taking sides, but give a perspective from an onlooker. . .
Some will agree with Starmap, some with Hoff. Im not sure either is wrong, just a matter of opinion.
Yes the money was refunded, but for those into posters thats not necessarily the point. It does seem odd that Starmap said he didnt like the poster and was very emphatic about it, then changed his mind after the show. But hey, sometimes people change their minds.
The list is just a list. Some will look at it, others wont. But I cant imagine people stop trading with Starmap so I dont really see this as a problem.
And I agree with the above post. Pretty amusing if you ask me
well... hold the phone. i don;t care if people know about this. he loves me so much he can;t wait to fire off his well organized laywer-like posts every few months. this is the fucking worse scam in message board history hands down. i'm gonna give this fucker away for free now just to really make me an even more terrible person for keeping something i changed my mind about.
well... hold the phone. i don;t care if people know about this. he loves me so much he can;t wait to fire off his well organized laywer-like posts every few months. this is the fucking worse scam in message board history hands down. i'm gonna give this fucker away for free now just to really make me an even more terrible person for keeping something i changed my mind about.
wow dude. ain't no grave gonna hold you down, no matter how far you dig, eh?
Ill stay out of taking sides, but give a perspective from an onlooker. . .
Some will agree with Starmap, some with Hoff. Im not sure either is wrong, just a matter of opinion.
Yes the money was refunded, but for those into posters thats not necessarily the point. It does seem odd that Starmap said he didnt like the poster and was very emphatic about it, then changed his mind after the show. But hey, sometimes people change their minds.
The list is just a list. Some will look at it, others wont. But I cant imagine people stop trading with Starmap so I dont really see this as a problem.
And I agree with the above post. Pretty amusing if you ask me
Also - I would not have known of this incident if Starmap hadn't gone to these measures.. so I agree you kind of did that to yourself. Be prepared for rational and well-put together posts from the Hoff because he is right, the evidence speaks for itself. If I were him, I'd want to put it all out there at this point too.
No need for this to be an all-out war. Just be honest with people and try to do the right thing, especially in what is supposed to be a "community" such as this. Having your name on or off "the list" isn't really going to make a difference. I've done business with people on here, and my name as well as many of theirs are not on this list, and it will still never change how successful our transactions were.
there were extenuating circumstances, i refunded his cash immediately, apologized, and have given and contributed as much as i can here to make up for it. with that being said, the original reason for this post was because i was on this "list" and then taken off. that's really all. sure it's just a list but you can be proud to be part of such lists because it's a positive thing... being trusted with shipping and trading, etc (which i 100% can be). i mean there are certain people like the person i mentioned in a post above who have "wronged" me (in my opinion) but i didn't go on here and make threads about the incident, i just decided not to deal with the person from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. Not because somebody told me the person's word wasn't good or whatever.
and, really, truth be told (i think i've stated this but here goes again) i was so fucking wasted at 10/31 i forgot about the poster at first and then (yes) i said fuck it, who cares. well that's what booze does to you among other things which is why i haven't drank since december of that year. anyway.... over a poster. come on. don't forget when people fuck you over, but forgive. would i expect framer to make any deals with me in the future? of course not. i mean in the end... what am i supposed to say or do... and rewinding time and shipping the poster is not an option for you flamers ready to pounce.... apologize? did it. try to make up for it in other ways to clear my name? did it and do it. refund his money? did it. feel like a douchebag because of not shipping the poster? did it. so... since we have a grudge bearer that will never let it go, just remember. this is a community, as previously stated by many, and we're both a part of it and we'll both continue to give and take from it like all of you do. people makes mistakes in life and i made one (and in the grand scheme of things it's pretty minor).
so here it is once again and never again.... hoff, i apologize for fucking you over and i'm sure it won't happen again. it's that simple.
until the next copy and pastola....
starmap
xoxoxoxoxo
IM not taking sides but Fenway you had me spitting up powerade on that!!
I'm not getting involved either, just wanted to say I nearly pissed myself laughing at this!
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and, really, truth be told (i think i've stated this but here goes again) i was so fucking wasted at 10/31 i forgot about the poster at first and then (yes) i said fuck it, who cares. well that's what booze does to you among other things which is why i haven't drank since december of that year.
Have a drink, man. Chill out!
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and, really, truth be told (i think i've stated this but here goes again) i was so fucking wasted at 10/31 i forgot about the poster at first and then (yes) i said fuck it, who cares. well that's what booze does to you among other things which is why i haven't drank since december of that year.
so here it is once again and never again.... hoff, i apologize for fucking you over and i'm sure it won't happen again.
"Once again" is a stretch. It implies you've reached out to me before.
Unless "sorry dude", in a paypal refund, after the show was gone, is what you're talking about.
A real apology would have been nice to have a long time ago. The last thing either of us need is drama. I'll take the above as a real apology, and I'll pretend it arrived about a year and a half ago.
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What happens if you buy his next poster, but he likes it.He keeps it The poster sells out now you have to spend more or take more time to find it.
Can he be a reliable person now. Yes. Ive stated I would like to get maybe a few others to say if a person belongs. Should an asterix be put on the side of his name. I dont know. I dont want to be the ass hole. But I didnt not complete the sale.
I was just trying to make use of wordplay using the last 2 lines of Alive
PJ: 2011-09-03 2011-09-04
Ultimately though, you have to make the decision as it is your thread and you took that responsibility whether intended or not when you started it. You started it as a great idea, but there is a bunch of gray out there... That puts the onus on you and forces you to defend whichever choice you make.
I don't think the asterik would work because it would be better to not have your name listed at all.
Maybe Starmap should make his own thread and have people who are happy with his transactions post there...
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I disagree. People on this board sometimes make deals and then break them because they get a better offer or realize they can get more money. This is a bad practice. Come on man we have threads where people give stuff away. This is what we should be doing here not trying to one up everyone for $20.
I agree returning the money is not the point at all. It is the point that they had a deal, and then chose to break it because he possibly got a better offer. Returning the money does not make the situation right.
Ponder this Question Folks:
Imagine if Ten Club said "Hey we can get more money for your EV Solo Tour Tix's on Stub Hub, so we are refunding your money, and are goning to sell out tix's there instead." Will that make it right because they refunded you your money?
I do not think dwhite or the Hoff are asking people to change their mind or minds about people. People should trade with whoever they feel comfortable trading with. I personally would not choose to trade with a person who uses this tactic, as it has the propensity to lead to other shady tactics, not saying it does or would, but I would hate to think I have soething coming my way and then blammo get a "Sorry Dude" response! I am sure people around here will surely be fired up if this did or has happened to them.
ponder how some board member named "senrock" committed to buy my extra in camden 06 and then didn't answer her phone and acted like it was no big deal... said she found a better seat. we've all been fucked before. only here i did NOT get to recoup my money. i was pissed then, but i'm not anymore, but that's because i let it go. i ate the ticket BTW. i wasn't trying to find anything better here (in the past transaction in question). it's not justification. it is what it is. i got tanked and didn;t get the extra i needed to make hoff happy. plain and simple.
anybody interested a seattle 2000 ames poster??
I'm pretty sure you mean "blacklisted."
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But you at least agree that we should have a handshake, right? I am totally down for that...
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Some will agree with Starmap, some with Hoff. Im not sure either is wrong, just a matter of opinion.
Yes the money was refunded, but for those into posters thats not necessarily the point. It does seem odd that Starmap said he didnt like the poster and was very emphatic about it, then changed his mind after the show. But hey, sometimes people change their minds.
The list is just a list. Some will look at it, others wont. But I cant imagine people stop trading with Starmap so I dont really see this as a problem.
And I agree with the above post. Pretty amusing if you ask me
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wow dude. ain't no grave gonna hold you down, no matter how far you dig, eh?
Also - I would not have known of this incident if Starmap hadn't gone to these measures.. so I agree you kind of did that to yourself. Be prepared for rational and well-put together posts from the Hoff because he is right, the evidence speaks for itself. If I were him, I'd want to put it all out there at this point too.
No need for this to be an all-out war. Just be honest with people and try to do the right thing, especially in what is supposed to be a "community" such as this. Having your name on or off "the list" isn't really going to make a difference. I've done business with people on here, and my name as well as many of theirs are not on this list, and it will still never change how successful our transactions were.
and, really, truth be told (i think i've stated this but here goes again) i was so fucking wasted at 10/31 i forgot about the poster at first and then (yes) i said fuck it, who cares. well that's what booze does to you among other things which is why i haven't drank since december of that year. anyway.... over a poster. come on. don't forget when people fuck you over, but forgive. would i expect framer to make any deals with me in the future? of course not. i mean in the end... what am i supposed to say or do... and rewinding time and shipping the poster is not an option for you flamers ready to pounce.... apologize? did it. try to make up for it in other ways to clear my name? did it and do it. refund his money? did it. feel like a douchebag because of not shipping the poster? did it. so... since we have a grudge bearer that will never let it go, just remember. this is a community, as previously stated by many, and we're both a part of it and we'll both continue to give and take from it like all of you do. people makes mistakes in life and i made one (and in the grand scheme of things it's pretty minor).
so here it is once again and never again.... hoff, i apologize for fucking you over and i'm sure it won't happen again. it's that simple.
until the next copy and pastola....
starmap
xoxoxoxoxo
IM not taking sides but Fenway you had me spitting up powerade on that!!
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Have a drink, man. Chill out!
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drinking + some people = bad. i'm one of them.
"Once again" is a stretch. It implies you've reached out to me before.
Unless "sorry dude", in a paypal refund, after the show was gone, is what you're talking about.
A real apology would have been nice to have a long time ago. The last thing either of us need is drama. I'll take the above as a real apology, and I'll pretend it arrived about a year and a half ago.
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Agreed. Thank you for apologizing. I appreciate it, truly.
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