Who's in hell? Pastor's book sparks eternal debate

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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    What I want to know, if you're all powerful and can provide humanity with everything... Why be a dick about it and only let certain people?
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    keeponrockin wrote:
    What I want to know, if you're all powerful and can provide humanity with everything... Why be a dick about it and only let certain people?
    that is a good question. i guess not everyone deserves that grace? then, how do you choose who gets blessed and who gets the shit end of the stick?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    What I want to know, if you're all powerful and can provide humanity with everything... Why be a dick about it and only let certain people?
    that is a good question. i guess not everyone deserves that grace? then, how do you choose who gets blessed and who gets the shit end of the stick?
    Its like when I was going out for my birthday. A friend's ex wanted to come out (she wasn't going to be there).. Do I like the dude? Not particularly... But he's friends with other friends, so I'm not gonna be a dick about it, doesn't really effect me that he's there but if other people want him there then go for it.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    What I want to know, if you're all powerful and can provide humanity with everything... Why be a dick about it and only let certain people?
    that is a good question. i guess not everyone deserves that grace? then, how do you choose who gets blessed and who gets the shit end of the stick?

    I'm pretty sure this answer will end the debate immediately:

    God works in mysterious ways, if you get sick and die it was your time but the doctor is the one to blame, but if you survive all the glory to god and the doctor is just god's instrument...

    See? this logic is flawless!

    Team God 1 - Team "gimmesometruth27+keeponrockin" 0

    ;)
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    Neil deGrasse Tyson

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    arq wrote:
    I'm pretty sure this answer will end the debate immediately:

    God works in mysterious ways, if you get sick and die it was your time but the doctor is the one to blame, but if you survive all the glory to god and the doctor is just god's instrument...

    See? this logic is flawless!

    Team God 1 - Team "gimmesometruth27+keeponrockin" 0 ;)
    i'm pretty sure that we just got served...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i'm pretty sure that we just got served...

    Served hard!
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

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  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    keeponrockin wrote:
    What I want to know, if you're all powerful and can provide humanity with everything... Why be a dick about it and only let certain people?

    Lev. 19:19ff. Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, neither shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God.

    Luke 3:11. And [John the Baptist] would answer and say to them, "Let the man with two tunics share with him who has none, and let him who has food do likewise."

    God is socially just. He desires to provide to the needy, and He does. I cannot tell you why one person may have more than another. Though as a Believer, I count it as God's Will. Despite what one has or doesn't have now, we will all be judged the same.

    As far as Grace is concerned:

    But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.

    —John 1:12

    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

    —John 3:16-17

    We have a free will to accept that Grace. ;)
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    Do we have to point out all the parts of the bible were god is just a jerk :?:
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    arq wrote:
    Do we have to point out all the parts of the bible were god is just a jerk :?:
    i should just start a new thread where every day we can add whatever happens in the news every day that suggests god is just being a dick. but then again that would probably go as well as my idea for a gun violence thread where i would post all of the gun deaths and shootings in the news everyday, but then i figured that there would be just too many and it would be a 1000 page thread....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    arq wrote:
    Do we have to point out all the parts of the bible were god is just a jerk :?:

    I'd love the chance to debate some examples.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    arq wrote:
    Do we have to point out all the parts of the bible were god is just a jerk :?:

    I'd love the chance to debate some examples.
    Killing all the firstborn sons in Egypt is a start... Would be kind of like killing all of German's first born sons because of Hitler.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    arq wrote:
    Do we have to point out all the parts of the bible were god is just a jerk :?:

    I'd love the chance to debate some examples.
    how about Job?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    how about the biblical flood?

    40 days and nights.

    sounds dickish to me.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    arq wrote:
    Do we have to point out all the parts of the bible were god is just a jerk :?:

    I'd love the chance to debate some examples.
    what about abraham sacrificing his son?

    kind of selfish for god to ask that is it not?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    arq wrote:
    Do we have to point out all the parts of the bible were god is just a jerk :?:

    I'd love the chance to debate some examples.
    how about Job?

    God tested Job and as a result, Job is regarded as a classic example of undying faith in God.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    how about the biblical flood?

    40 days and nights.

    sounds dickish to me.

    The world was overtly evil and disobedient to God's Word. He judged it.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    arq wrote:
    Do we have to point out all the parts of the bible were god is just a jerk :?:

    I'd love the chance to debate some examples.
    what about abraham sacrificing his son?

    kind of selfish for god to ask that is it not?

    Abraham's faith was being tested. His son was not harmed.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    arq wrote:
    Do we have to point out all the parts of the bible were god is just a jerk :?:

    I'd love the chance to debate some examples.
    Killing all the firstborn sons in Egypt is a start... Would be kind of like killing all of German's first born sons because of Hitler.

    I'd like the opportunity to present you with more of an answer than one sentence on this, but I won't get a chance today...will get back to you tomorrow on this one.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Sounds good. I just don't see how killing the KIDS had anything to do with it... Seems like bringing in people who weren't involved.

    And personally, I think Abraham wasn't a great guy to be willing to kill his own son. Any father who's willing to kill his own son, is in my book, an asshole.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    God tested Job and as a result, Job is regarded as a classic example of undying faith in God.
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    For a all powerful and all knowing god what he did to job is just wrong.
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    The world was overtly evil and disobedient to God's Word. He judged it.

    Electric_Delta wrote:
    I'd like the opportunity to present you with more of an answer than one sentence on this, but I won't get a chance today...will get back to you tomorrow on this one.

    For a god who works in mysterious ways, all powerful, all knowing, etc etc, he acts like a man from the bronze/iron age would act, and that's exactly why god appears in the bible like a man from the bronze/iron, because he's the invention of the man of that time, without the knowledge of the world we have now and of course the developed morals, we can argue that we can be monsters and commit acts of incredible cruelty but we are not "perfect" as god call "himself" (or better said those who invented it) in the bible, plus the majority of the people is good and decent people, also any man who dared to the .1% of what god did on the bible will be put in prison (or killed) and called a monster, plus why we can judge the god of the bible, why god have a special pass because a self proclaim holy book says so?
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

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