A Reason to fight, A Reason to be.. completely full of shit?

fuck

I'm going to post a link to something extremely disturbing and without apologies. If you click on it, consider yourself forewarned. The article is horrific, brutal, and contains the killing of a human by a christian in the name of God, supposedly for homosexuality. I consider stories like this to be truths we must be aware of and must hold in check with pleas of infinite tolerance. There are things which deserve no tolerance and which have no excuse. We live in a day and age where it is no longer as easy to stick our heads in the sand and pretend we simply didn't know. We also live in a world where the people casting such stones are also claiming to be the victims and that they deserve special treatments and protections. It's time we call a spade a spade.

One final warning... This link contains the stoning of a person and a murder by a christian in the name of his god.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/1 ... =fb&src=sp

I am not trying to hatemonger or anything of the sort. But tolerance, multiculturalism and other seemingly good things must have limitations and we must not once more turn a blind eye to atrocity as it spreads tentacles as it once did in places like nazi Germany. We must be vigilant and understand that there IS a spreading influence of Christianity and pushes for barbaric laws across the world. Barbarism is not limited to Christianity, and I make no such claim. But nonetheless, the claim that Christianity is purely a religion of peace while people carry out the murder of others under the decree of religious rulers is just absurd. There is something we must be aware of going on and something we must be willing to fight before it wins by default as we sleep. We should have a firm understanding of what we would consider an enemy to be, regardless of the religion, skin color, uniform or whatever guise it may take. And when we see it, we have to be willing to stand firm and fight against it in one way or another. After I read an article like this, I cannot help but pretend that I do not see an enemy which must be confronted and not appeased, welcomed or allowed to flourish. Again, this is not me saying all christians are bad, but I'm going to refuse to allow the truth that not all christians are bad to equate to a tolerance of this insanity. This is not the act of one madman on a rampage. This is organized and must be stopped.

My final solution: Let's invade the Vatican.

BinauralJam

This is not the act of one madman on a rampage.

Sounded like it to me.

mikepegg44

___________ wrote:

I'm going to post a link to something extremely disturbing and without apologies. If you click on it, consider yourself forewarned. The article is horrific, brutal, and contains the killing of a human by a christian in the name of God, supposedly for homosexuality. I consider stories like this to be truths we must be aware of and must hold in check with pleas of infinite tolerance. There are things which deserve no tolerance and which have no excuse. We live in a day and age where it is no longer as easy to stick our heads in the sand and pretend we simply didn't know. We also live in a world where the people casting such stones are also claiming to be the victims and that they deserve special treatments and protections. It's time we call a spade a spade.

One final warning... This link contains the stoning of a person and a murder by a christian in the name of his god.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/1 ... =fb&src=sp

I am not trying to hatemonger or anything of the sort. But tolerance, multiculturalism and other seemingly good things must have limitations and we must not once more turn a blind eye to atrocity as it spreads tentacles as it once did in places like nazi Germany. We must be vigilant and understand that there IS a spreading influence of Christianity and pushes for barbaric laws across the world. Barbarism is not limited to Christianity, and I make no such claim. But nonetheless, the claim that Christianity is purely a religion of peace while people carry out the murder of others under the decree of religious rulers is just absurd. There is something we must be aware of going on and something we must be willing to fight before it wins by default as we sleep. We should have a firm understanding of what we would consider an enemy to be, regardless of the religion, skin color, uniform or whatever guise it may take. And when we see it, we have to be willing to stand firm and fight against it in one way or another. After I read an article like this, I cannot help but pretend that I do not see an enemy which must be confronted and not appeased, welcomed or allowed to flourish. Again, this is not me saying all christians are bad, but I'm going to refuse to allow the truth that not all christians are bad to equate to a tolerance of this insanity. This is not the act of one madman on a rampage. This is organized and must be stopped.

My final solution: Let's invade the Vatican.

I see what you did there

aerial

You win the “ Most Ignorant Post of the Week” :oops:

whygohome

aerial wrote:

You win the “ Most Ignorant Post of the Week” :oops:

Please explain.

Nothingman54

Good Vs Evil

BinauralJam

aerial wrote:

You win the “ Most Ignorant Post of the Week” :oops:

Dammit i never win, and i put real effort into being ignorant.

brandon10

aerial wrote:

You win the “ Most Ignorant Post of the Week” :oops:

You win the "most ignorant poster of all time" award. Ceremonies will be held at PJ20

haffajappa

BinauralJam wrote:

aerial wrote:

You win the “ Most Ignorant Post of the Week” :oops:

Dammit i never win, and i put real effort into being ignorant.

And yet, some people make it look sooo easy!

gimmesometruth27

it never surprises me anymore what religion can influence people to do to each other..

so is this man a defender of the faith or a cold blooded murderer?

and will his actions get him into heaven?

BinauralJam

haffajappa wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

aerial wrote:

You win the “ Most Ignorant Post of the Week” :oops:

Dammit i never win, and i put real effort into being ignorant.

And yet, some people make it look sooo easy!

i'm giving up this, bye the way
it's not worth the stand
i've thought about it
i don't really beleive in it
i was just following
status quo

Jason P

I'm confident that every major Christian leader would condemn such barbaric violence.

keeponrockin

Jason P wrote:

I'm confident that every major Christian leader would condemn such barbaric violence.

Have we heard any major Christian leader condemn it?

**Note, I don't actually think they should, just as I don't expect every Muslim leader to condemn every attack, nor every black leader to condemn every time someone from their community does something wrong.

Electric_Delta

No true Christian advocates violence of any nature.

Psalms 11:5 The soul of the Lord hates...those who love violence

Psalms 34:14 Turn from evil; do good; seek peace and pursue it

Psalms 44:6 My sword does not bring me victory...

Matthew 5:43 Love your enemies; pray for persecutors (words of Christ)

Matthew 26:52 All who take the sword will perish by the sword (words of Christ)

John 16:2 Anyone who kills you thinks he is offering service to God ...because they have not known the Father (words of Christ)

keeponrockin

Electric_Delta wrote:

No true Christian advocates violence of any nature.

Psalms 11:5 The soul of the Lord hates...those who love violence

Psalms 34:14 Turn from evil; do good; seek peace and pursue it

Psalms 44:6 My sword does not bring me victory...

Matthew 5:43 Love your enemies; pray for persecutors (words of Christ)

Matthew 26:52 All who take the sword will perish by the sword (words of Christ)

John 16:2 Anyone who kills you thinks he is offering service to God ...because they have not known the Father (words of Christ)

What about all the violence in the old testament?

Electric_Delta

keeponrockin wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

No true Christian advocates violence of any nature.

Psalms 11:5 The soul of the Lord hates...those who love violence

Psalms 34:14 Turn from evil; do good; seek peace and pursue it

Psalms 44:6 My sword does not bring me victory...

Matthew 5:43 Love your enemies; pray for persecutors (words of Christ)

Matthew 26:52 All who take the sword will perish by the sword (words of Christ)

John 16:2 Anyone who kills you thinks he is offering service to God ...because they have not known the Father (words of Christ)

What about all the violence in the old testament?

Did you have a specific example you were thinking of?

Jason P

keeponrockin wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I'm confident that every major Christian leader would condemn such barbaric violence.

Have we heard any major Christian leader condemn it?

**Note, I don't actually think they should, just as I don't expect every Muslim leader to condemn every attack, nor every black leader to condemn every time someone from their community does something wrong.

I guess it depends on whether this brutal crime is an isolated attack by a madman or if it is an alarming trend supported by a growing minority of the religion. This appears to be the act of a single lunatic, but if more attacks begin to occur based on the same demented ideology, then the church leaders need to stand up and denounce it immediately. They have the responsibility to make it very, very clear that this type of behavior and thinking has nothing to do with the message they are spreading and it is completely unacceptable.

Electric_Delta

___________ wrote:

I'm going to post a link to something extremely disturbing and without apologies. If you click on it, consider yourself forewarned. The article is horrific, brutal, and contains the killing of a human by a christian in the name of God, supposedly for homosexuality. I consider stories like this to be truths we must be aware of and must hold in check with pleas of infinite tolerance. There are things which deserve no tolerance and which have no excuse. We live in a day and age where it is no longer as easy to stick our heads in the sand and pretend we simply didn't know. We also live in a world where the people casting such stones are also claiming to be the victims and that they deserve special treatments and protections. It's time we call a spade a spade.

One final warning... This link contains the stoning of a person and a murder by a christian in the name of his god.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/1 ... =fb&src=sp

I am not trying to hatemonger or anything of the sort. But tolerance, multiculturalism and other seemingly good things must have limitations and we must not once more turn a blind eye to atrocity as it spreads tentacles as it once did in places like nazi Germany. We must be vigilant and understand that there IS a spreading influence of Christianity and pushes for barbaric laws across the world. Barbarism is not limited to Christianity, and I make no such claim. But nonetheless, the claim that Christianity is purely a religion of peace while people carry out the murder of others under the decree of religious rulers is just absurd. There is something we must be aware of going on and something we must be willing to fight before it wins by default as we sleep. We should have a firm understanding of what we would consider an enemy to be, regardless of the religion, skin color, uniform or whatever guise it may take. And when we see it, we have to be willing to stand firm and fight against it in one way or another. After I read an article like this, I cannot help but pretend that I do not see an enemy which must be confronted and not appeased, welcomed or allowed to flourish. Again, this is not me saying all christians are bad, but I'm going to refuse to allow the truth that not all christians are bad to equate to a tolerance of this insanity. This is not the act of one madman on a rampage. This is organized and must be stopped.

My final solution: Let's invade the Vatican.

Would you make the same generalization of Islam as intolerant?

polaris_x

Electric_Delta wrote:

Would you make the same generalization of Islam as intolerant?

this thread is in response to a similar thread that someone else posted with regards to muslims ... tongue in cheek ...

Electric_Delta

polaris_x wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

Would you make the same generalization of Islam as intolerant?

this thread is in response to a similar thread that someone else posted with regards to muslims ... tongue in cheek ...

I get it, but please understand I asked this question objectively.

Soulfire42

I wrote the original message that this new poster is trying to mimic. Unfortunately, I get the sense that the poster thinks they are doing something profound or dismissing a huge amount of examples, evidence, facts, quotations, etc. from another thread which was focused on Islam. There are major differences between Christianity and Islam, and I find it trite and a discredit to the topic orignally raised to create sarcastic posts like this thread start. I also get the sense that the poster of this thread thinks I am a Christian or am sympathetic to Christianity, but not Islam. Those would be mistaken beliefs. My intention was actually to begin with one religion and expose severe problems with it, and with fundamentalism. I had hoped to provide undeniable proof of barbarism and atrocities (which I am firmly convinced I did) made permissable via Islam. If you need another pretty clear example, just consider September 11th and the role of Islam in that event. My intention, was to continue moving on to other religions and do equivalent analysis of them as my time allowed. Instead, I got called racist, bigot, etc. I had people who insisted on turning a focused discussion on Islam and Islamic fundamentalism into criticisms of America and Christianity. Byrnzie, I'm looking at you. And to this thread's creator, there's a rather large difference in the number of people actively involved in the organized stoning of multiple people in the video I posted and the actions of this Christian fundamentalist nutjob. Apples and oranges. But if you feel better beating down your straw man instead of the real argument that was being made, go for it.

I believe that religious fundamentalism (of the type that looks toward ancient texts as divine authority) and societies which base their laws and cultures heavily around these texts instead of around rationality, humanity, the scientific process, evidence, civility and the like are threats to existence in a day and age where weapons continue to progress. It is my belief that we are increasingly heading toward conflict based on religious ideologies and that if we do not investigate religions, reasons for religion, rationality of religions, etc... that we're on a very dangerous path. Far too often in our society discussion of religion is taboo. Investigation or outing of severe problems are also taboo. If we continue with these taboos, and we continue to let the seeds of fundamentalism spread throughout various religions, I feel we are in for a pretty dire future. I've found it just not worth the effort to try and have a civil focused discussion on religion on ths particular message board so I'm going to leave it at that. I'll be doing what I can in my own community to try and combat what I believe are the numerous problems of various religions and religiosity in general. I believe that religion was once a useful tool for explaining things, but we've since learned so much and we need to be basing our societies and structures on things other than religion. If you disagree, you're free to do so. I'd have loved to have had discussions on the matter, but I just didn't find people mature enough to avoid personal insults and the like here for me to continue the effort.