Politically Correct

BinauralJam

Is it a new form of McCarthyism? or the evolution of McCarthyism? Does anybody else Feel/Sense Similarities.

bennett13

I've never heard the two compared before, but I definitely see the similarities.

mikepegg44

BinauralJam wrote:

Is it a new form of McCarthyism? or the evolution of McCarthyism? Does anybody else Feel/Sense Similarities.

you should elaborate your point, I am interested in your comparison

Go Beavers

BinauralJam wrote:

Is it a new form of McCarthyism? or the evolution of McCarthyism? Does anybody else Feel/Sense Similarities.

Define politically correct first.

bennett13

I believe he's referring to the whole witch-hunt aspect of McCarthyism. The reluctance to speak one's mind for fear of being labled with one of the many "isms."

Jason P

I understand not the question.

BinauralJam

It's like something i can't put my finger on, a sense that the U.S.A. has gone through this cycle before, everything in the world is tense for us right now, and so people are looking to become more conserative/ regain a sense of control. Were letting our fear rule us like back in the 50's with Communism. If you say the wrong thing in the public eye, your done, once the media makes you a villian, you are.

Sorry for being vague, it's a vague thought.

BinauralJam

Go Beavers wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Is it a new form of McCarthyism? or the evolution of McCarthyism? Does anybody else Feel/Sense Similarities.

Define politically correct first.

Huh, well i have to think on that.

BinauralJam

bennett13 wrote:

I believe he's referring to the whole witch-hunt aspect of McCarthyism. The reluctance to speak one's mind for fear of being labled with one of the many "isms."

Yes

mikepegg44

BinauralJam wrote:

It's like something i can't put my finger on, a sense that the U.S.A. has gone through this cycle before, everything in the world is tense for us right now, and so people are looking to become more conserative/ regain a sense of control. Were letting our fear rule us like back in the 50's with Communism. If you say the wrong thing in the public eye, your done, once the media makes you a villian, you are.

Sorry for being vague, it's a vague thought.

I just don't think that is the case. The media has always made people villains. The communism scare went through all facets of society up to and including multiple agents of the United States Government. Unfortunately it didn't make any sense simply because we are supposed to be able to believe what we want and to disagree politically without it being a crime. It was a much scarier time than if msnbc or fox calls you a racist.
Put that in perspective with people being basically kicked out of the United States like Charlie Freaking Chaplin...It doesn't really hold up in my opinion. I agree the media can get involved in witch hunt type antics, but that is far different than our government being involved. I don't know, it is an interesting theory, but I would say the 24-hour news cycle is more to blame than political correctness or anything like that. Opinions from people who really don't matter are used to fill up time on networks that should be running the Shark Navigator infomercial (the thing is AWESOME by the way)...
There are 300 million people in this country and someone will always be offended by someone else. The goal is for the majority of people who are rational to start to ignore those people on either side who whip up debate about things that are really a non-issue. Does anyone really believe Harry Reid is a racist? The media would have had you believe he owned slaves when he said a few things about Obama's candidacy...but it wasn't a government backed witch hunt.

Prince Of Dorkness

People whining about having to be "politically correct" is really just a bunch of homophobic, sexist, racist people upset that they get called out on their bullshit.

Most of them don't even know what it means... people bitching about how my fighting for equal treatment in the eyes of the law is "those gays being politically correct" when what they really mean is "I don't want those faggots having the same rights as MEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Must really suck to be white, straight, Christian and Anglo-Saxon and see your place at the top of the heap being chipped away.

Ugh... you can tell I haven't had enough coffee and the bar doesn't open for another two hours.

Prince Of Dorkness

BinauralJam wrote:

Is it a new form of McCarthyism? or the evolution of McCarthyism? Does anybody else Feel/Sense Similarities.

To answer the question... no. I see zero similarities at all. McCarthyism was about spreading fear, innuendo, slander and fear along with the whole "guilt by association" thing. Political Correctness, the way I understand it, is me saying "please just call me gay and don't call me a cock-sucking faggot or a sodomite."

But please... explain how those two things are similar. :roll:

mikepegg44

Jasunmark wrote:

People whining about having to be "politically correct" is really just a bunch of homophobic, sexist, racist people upset that they get called out on their bullshit.

Most of them don't even know what it means... people bitching about how my fighting for equal treatment in the eyes of the law is "those gays being politically correct" when what they really mean is "I don't want those faggots having the same rights as MEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Must really suck to be white, straight, Christian and Anglno-Saxo and see your place at the top of the heap being chipped away.

Ugh... you can tell I haven't had enough coffee and the bar doesn't open for another two hours.

have some tiger's blood, does wonders for Sheen.

I disagree about your take on political correctness though. I think it is more about being offended at things that we should be able to discuss without so much sensitivity. And i think it really does hinder the claims against real racist, bigoted, or prejudiced remarks when frivolous claims are made about everything and everyone.
Calling someone like Harry Reid a racist is stupid but yet it happened. Unforunately people begin to roll their eyes at news about someone being racist or hate filled as they see so many people being trotted out as racist or hate filled. It doesn't make sense.
I can promise you that my mother is the least hate filled person on the planet, she happens to be religious and has some beliefs that are a little weird however. But hate is not the place she comes from when she thinks marriage should be between a man and a woman, it is her belief in God and Christianity. She will however bend over backwards to help anyone in need and accept anyone regardless of their gender, orientation, race, etc with out thinking twice. You don't do that if you hate specific groups. I realize that it is a sensitive subject for many including you, and I firmly believe that anyone who wants to get married to anyone else should be able to and to as many people as they want, but to call everyone against it a bigot or whatever else really isn't the case. And that is what political correctness has done in my eyes, it has divided people more than it has brought any of us together. Hopefully that makes sense.

Prince Of Dorkness

mikepegg44 wrote:

I can promise you that my mother is the least hate filled person on the planet, she happens to be religious and has some beliefs that are a little weird however. But hate is not the place she comes from when she thinks marriage should be between a man and a woman, it is her belief in God and Christianity. She will however bend over backwards to help anyone in need and accept anyone regardless of their gender, orientation, race, etc with out thinking twice. You don't do that if you hate specific groups. I realize that it is a sensitive subject for many including you, and I firmly believe that anyone who wants to get married to anyone else should be able to and to as many people as they want, but to call everyone against it a bigot or whatever else really isn't the case. And that is what political correctness has done in my eyes, it has divided people more than it has brought any of us together. Hopefully that makes sense.

OK. And how is that like McCarthyism?

(by the way... you'll never have me agree that someone who's against my being equal to them isn't a bigot. I think it's the textbook definition. Just because you do it with a smile doesn't make it any less evil. But we're not talking about that.)

cincybearcat

Jasunmark wrote:

People whining about having to be "politically correct" is really just a bunch of homophobic, sexist, racist people upset that they get called out on their bullshit.

Most of them don't even know what it means... people bitching about how my fighting for equal treatment in the eyes of the law is "those gays being politically correct" when what they really mean is "I don't want those faggots having the same rights as MEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Must really suck to be white, straight, Christian and Anglo-Saxon and see your place at the top of the heap being chipped away.

Ugh... you can tell I haven't had enough coffee and the bar doesn't open for another two hours.

Wow, that was a hate filled tirade. Not sure it was directed at the right people though. I do understand where your frustration comes from though.

I think PC has become a detriment to real discussion of issues for sure. I also wish people could speak their minds (even if "homophobic, sexist, racist") so that the discussion can occur and hopefully people's minds could change. However, as soon as someone says something they get attacked. And while sometimes it is warranted, it stops the dialogue. Instead of discussing why someone is wrong, they are labeled, attacked, lose their job, etc....so they hide their opinions and it causes others to as well. So they stay the same and teach those around them their viewpoint and nothing gets better.

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

Wow, that was a hate filled tirade. Not sure it was directed at the right people though. I do understand where your frustration comes from though.

I think PC has become a detriment to real discussion of issues for sure. I also wish people could speak their minds (even if "homophobic, sexist, racist") so that the discussion can occur and hopefully people's minds could change. However, as soon as someone says something they get attacked. And while sometimes it is warranted, it stops the dialogue. Instead of discussing why someone is wrong, they are labeled, attacked, lose their job, etc....so they hide their opinions and it causes others to as well. So they stay the same and teach those around them their viewpoint and nothing gets better.

Possibly. And that's like McCarthyism how?

cincybearcat

Jasunmark wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Wow, that was a hate filled tirade. Not sure it was directed at the right people though. I do understand where your frustration comes from though.

I think PC has become a detriment to real discussion of issues for sure. I also wish people could speak their minds (even if "homophobic, sexist, racist") so that the discussion can occur and hopefully people's minds could change. However, as soon as someone says something they get attacked. And while sometimes it is warranted, it stops the dialogue. Instead of discussing why someone is wrong, they are labeled, attacked, lose their job, etc....so they hide their opinions and it causes others to as well. So they stay the same and teach those around them their viewpoint and nothing gets better.

Possibly. And that's like McCarthyism how?

Well, that is a good question as I didn't address the original topic at all.

Sorry. I don't have an opinion on that yet.

BinauralJam

Jasunmark wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

I can promise you that my mother is the least hate filled person on the planet, she happens to be religious and has some beliefs that are a little weird however. But hate is not the place she comes from when she thinks marriage should be between a man and a woman, it is her belief in God and Christianity. She will however bend over backwards to help anyone in need and accept anyone regardless of their gender, orientation, race, etc with out thinking twice. You don't do that if you hate specific groups. I realize that it is a sensitive subject for many including you, and I firmly believe that anyone who wants to get married to anyone else should be able to and to as many people as they want, but to call everyone against it a bigot or whatever else really isn't the case. And that is what political correctness has done in my eyes, it has divided people more than it has brought any of us together. Hopefully that makes sense.

OK. And how is that like McCarthyism?

(by the way... you'll never have me agree that someone who's against my being equal to them isn't a bigot. I think it's the textbook definition. Just because you do it with a smile doesn't make it any less evil. But we're not talking about that.)

Mccarthyism was a bad analogy, guess what i ment was Politically Correct has become the new ism.
Sorry your angry.

mikepegg44

Jasunmark wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

I can promise you that my mother is the least hate filled person on the planet, she happens to be religious and has some beliefs that are a little weird however. But hate is not the place she comes from when she thinks marriage should be between a man and a woman, it is her belief in God and Christianity. She will however bend over backwards to help anyone in need and accept anyone regardless of their gender, orientation, race, etc with out thinking twice. You don't do that if you hate specific groups. I realize that it is a sensitive subject for many including you, and I firmly believe that anyone who wants to get married to anyone else should be able to and to as many people as they want, but to call everyone against it a bigot or whatever else really isn't the case. And that is what political correctness has done in my eyes, it has divided people more than it has brought any of us together. Hopefully that makes sense.

OK. And how is that like McCarthyism?

I just don't think that is the case. The media has always made people villains. The communism scare went through all facets of society up to and including multiple agents of the United States Government. Unfortunately it didn't make any sense simply because we are supposed to be able to believe what we want and to disagree politically without it being a crime. It was a much scarier time than if msnbc or fox calls you a racist.
Put that in perspective with people being basically kicked out of the United States like Charlie Freaking Chaplin...It doesn't really hold up in my opinion. I agree the media can get involved in witch hunt type antics, but that is far different than our government being involved. I don't know, it is an interesting theory, but I would say the 24-hour news cycle is more to blame than political correctness or anything like that. Opinions from people who really don't matter are used to fill up time on networks that should be running the Shark Navigator infomercial (the thing is AWESOME by the way)...
There are 300 million people in this country and someone will always be offended by someone else. The goal is for the majority of people who are rational to start to ignore those people on either side who whip up debate about things that are really a non-issue. Does anyone really believe Harry Reid is a racist? The media would have had you believe he owned slaves when he said a few things about Obama's candidacy...but it wasn't a government backed witch hunt.{/quote}

that was my original response to the OP. I don't think political correctness is like McCarthyism.
As far as the rest, you are right it is another discussion all together but I think what you are saying is the damaging part of political correctness. it causes people to see hatred when there isn't any. I am not defending the anti gay marriage position at all, I just don't think you can have a rational discussion about the two sides if you think people are motivated by things they aren't. but I don't want to hijack here so I would love to take it to PM if you want to..

Electric_Delta

Jasunmark wrote:

People whining about having to be "politically correct" is really just a bunch of homophobic, sexist, racist people upset that they get called out on their bullshit.

Most of them don't even know what it means... people bitching about how my fighting for equal treatment in the eyes of the law is "those gays being politically correct" when what they really mean is "I don't want those faggots having the same rights as MEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Must really suck to be white, straight, Christian and Anglo-Saxon and see your place at the top of the heap being chipped away.

Ugh... you can tell I haven't had enough coffee and the bar doesn't open for another two hours.

Actually, this was the most offensive thing I've read all day. Do you know what it means to be politically correct...or is it free game when it's Christianity in question?

Prince Of Dorkness

Electric_Delta wrote:

Actually, this was the most offensive thing I've read all day. Do you know what it means to be politically correct...or is it free game when it's Christianity in question?

Ah. So pointing out that someone who's a white, Anglo-Saxon, protestant heterosexual is a white, Anglo-Saxon, protestant heterosexual isn't "politically correct" anymore?