Off the hook, so get off our backs! :)

2

Comments

  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Byrnzie come on... don't pick and choose what you highlight. Most of those guys that reject the Jesus Myth hypothesis. I'll concede that there is a debate and it isn't certain that he existed... but I just can't come to terms with all the historical information about Jesus and Christians in that time period was completely made up. OTOH, the New Testament is definitely "confirmation bias" and not to be confused with historical information.

    As far as my claim that most people were illiterate... I'm confused about your point. You cite ONE person who wrote a bunch of books. How does that prove that most people were not illiterate?
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • pickupyourwill
    pickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    whoprincess wrote:
    Well, that was big of him. :lolno:
    Only took a few centuries more than it took to exonerate Galileo. :roll:

    Believe it or not, the Catholic people aren't as narrow-minded as many people think. I feel that EVERYONE on this planet has known for centuries what went down. The "Jewish" people that crucified him back then could easily have been a collective mass of any denomination based people today. I think the Catholic whole has realized that for centuries, along with the rest of the world. Maybe his "exoneration" or public statement is trying to re-confirm to the Jewish people and the world that there is no ill-will there and never really was--not within my lifetime anyway.

    I was raised Catholic and never once remember this religion preaching to me that the "Jews" were responsible. Never have I ever witnessed in my 32 yrs., any of my Catholic friends and family expressing Jewish hate. Catholics as a whole are very peaceful, fun-loving people. Yes, there are your extreme, uptight ones--just like any religion. American-Catholics, however, seem to me to be more laid back and open-minded than what many people may think.
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    Yeah, I've never understood the hate for the jews. There are bad apples in every group. Jewish leaders of the time looked for a messiah and Jesus simply didn't fit the bill for what they were expecting. Beyond that, the jewish leadership had become so corrupt and power hungry, that they saw Jesus as a threat to that power. So it was never the jewish people as a whole that condemned Christ to death, it was a few of the leaders who hated the message He had for them.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    he still stands wrote:
    Byrnzie come on... don't pick and choose what you highlight. Most of those guys that reject the Jesus Myth hypothesis. I'll concede that there is a debate and it isn't certain that he existed... but I just can't come to terms with all the historical information about Jesus and Christians in that time period was completely made up. OTOH, the New Testament is definitely "confirmation bias" and not to be confused with historical information.

    Maybe the Jesus myth is a bit like the Arthur myth. All kinds of events that may or may not have happened, and if they have, have been seriously embellished - but not accomplished by one person but a number of them. All put under the banner of a person who probably did exist and was named Jesus (common name just change the language), just like Arthur. I like the legends of Arthur.
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    redrock wrote:
    I like the legends of Arthur.

    +1 and the Jesus myth not so much...
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    arq wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    I like the legends of Arthur.

    +1 and the Jesus myth not so much...

    why? Jesus was a cool dude. As someone once said, "it's not Christ that pisses me off, it is CHRISTIANS." I tend to agree with most of his teachings... the Old Testament on the other hand....
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited March 2011
    he still stands wrote:

    Jesus was a cool dude. .

    Anyone that can turn water into wine is cool.

    The whole myth and the magnitude of it is what gets me. Arthur is OK - still trying to figure out where camelot is(though I have been to Tintangel a few times...), loving the stories behind this (and some of the facts), but one can easily disassociate myth from reality and no major 'following' (eg religion) has been based on myth. The Jesus myth is taken as facts - blind faith.
    Post edited by redrock on
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    BinauralJam wrote:
    that's cool, i've never felt responsible for slavery,i blame the individuals involved, same goes with the murderers of Jesus, Ghandi,JFK, RFK and MLK.
    8-) :wave:
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Is he also going to let all those priests off for fucking all those kids?

    I mean, while he's in such a forgiving mood and all.





    (the pope is a fucking Nazi - literally.)
    I can't drive without Pearl Jam
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    Jasunmark wrote:
    Is he also going to let all those priests off for fucking all those kids?

    I mean, while he's in such a forgiving mood and all.

    Hey, let's don't get carried away now.....one step at a time.
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    edited March 2011
    Shawshank wrote:
    Jasunmark wrote:
    Is he also going to let all those priests off for fucking all those kids?

    I mean, while he's in such a forgiving mood and all.

    Hey, let's don't get carried away now.....one step at a time.

    But let's hurry because things are getting weird :? check this out

    >>>Fruity Ohio Priest...<<<
    Post edited by arq on
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Jasunmark wrote:
    Is he also going to let all those priests off for fucking all those kids?

    I mean, while he's in such a forgiving mood and all.





    (the pope is a fucking Nazi - literally.)


    :D He's not a Nazi, he's just really ugly.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Whether one believes in Jesus or not, do the Jews really care about what the head of another (exclusive) religion has to say? Do they respect his word? Who does the Pope think he is to be able to 'exonerate' the jewish people for Jesus' death (if that's what he actually does in the book). Who will the finger be pointed at this time (Pilate and thus the Italians?) Will the next Pope come around and write a book saying that Benedict's XVI book was total rubbish and nothing has changed?

    So many questions, so little time... :mrgreen:
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    redrock wrote:
    Whether one believes in Jesus or not, do the Jews really care about what the head of another (exclusive) religion has to say? Do they respect his word? Who does the Pope think he is to be able to 'exonerate' the jewish people for Jesus' death (if that's what he actually does in the book). Who will the finger be pointed at this time (Pilate and thus the Italians?) Will the next Pope come around and write a book saying that Benedict's XVI book was total rubbish and nothing has changed?

    So many questions, so little time... :mrgreen:

    yeah, anytime the Pope give the church's official position I think almost everyone, except the most zealous Catholics, brushes it aside as another meaningless statement. The Catholic Church is pretty arrogant, eh?
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Pope exonerates Jews for Jesus' death in new book

    EmailPrint..By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press Nicole Winfield, Associated Press – 1 hr 11 mins ago

    VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI has made a sweeping exoneration of the Jewish people for the death of Jesus Christ, tackling one of the most controversial issues in Christianity in a new book.

    In "Jesus of Nazareth-Part II" excerpts released Wednesday, Benedict explains biblically and theologically why there is no basis in Scripture for the argument that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for Jesus' death.
    ...
    Well, as Sarah Silverman says, "It's not like we (the Jews) killed BABY Jesus. He was, like 30... which in those days was quite old. Besides, if we didn't kill Him... He wouldn't have become famous".
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,829
    Being that Jesus could turn water into wine, did anyone ever stop and think that perhaps some vineyard owners may have conspired to kill him?

    Just sayin'
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    The Jews made reference to Him in their Talmud, a companion to their Scriptures. The Jewish historian Josephus, an eyewitness to these things, wrote about him. So did Mohammad when writing the Koran. According to a Time magazine cover story Buddhist documents contain reference to Him.
    And most obviously of all, the Creation is evidence of His existence.
    http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/is-there-evidence-that-jesus-lived/
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Suzi78
    Suzi78 Posts: 362
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Being that Jesus could turn water into wine, did anyone ever stop and think that perhaps some vineyard owners may have conspired to kill him?

    Just sayin'

    Hmmm...you might be on to something. Maybe James Maynard Keenan killed him?
    How I choose to feel is how I am
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    aerial wrote:
    The Jews made reference to Him in their Talmud, a companion to their Scriptures. The Jewish historian Josephus, an eyewitness to these things, wrote about him. So did Mohammad when writing the Koran. According to a Time magazine cover story Buddhist documents contain reference to Him.
    And most obviously of all, the Creation is evidence of His existence.
    http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/is-there-evidence-that-jesus-lived/

    WOW there's so many false statements there that is not even worthy to show you the evidence of the contrary... :?
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    Suzi78 wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Being that Jesus could turn water into wine, did anyone ever stop and think that perhaps some vineyard owners may have conspired to kill him?

    Just sayin'

    Hmmm...you might be on to something. Maybe James Maynard Keenan killed him?

    O J Simpson killed him :P
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?

Categories