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tenforthewintenforthewin Posts: 177
edited May 2008 in The Porch
I'm not hating on Jeff or the band at all. I just wondered if anyone has seen this and if anyone knows what happened here or can explain this. It kinda looks like Jeffs not playing, but the notes are still sounding.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dmfexHGgv6U I really hope he's not faking a performance.
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    JP2026766JP2026766 Posts: 1,125
    Honestly...I didn't hear the fill...and i saw him hammering on some notes there while he was fixing the cable so...I wouldn't hold any merit to that video.

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    MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    The "fill" being referred to is just the high notes he plays at the end of every phrase (4 measures):

    "Yeahhehe, yeahehe, yeaheheeeee *bass fill, high notes* yeaaahe-he"

    It looks as though he was tapping on the G string while fixing the strap.
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    StuffnJunkStuffnJunk Posts: 896
    well i don't know about this video, but anyone who says "he wasn't really playing bass, he was lip syncing while someone else offstage played" is surely not a musician and doesn't know the first thing about music....its not like jeffs basslines are so difficult that he can't perform them live and needs a stand in

    i've heard people say this about other rockstars and anyone who brings it up is basically screaming "I'M AN IDIOT!!!!!"

    NO ONE "LIP SYNCS" GUITAR OR BASS!!!!!!!!!!

    no offense to you, i mean that in regards to the "conspiracy theorists" who made that video like its the freakin JFK assassination tape or something...
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    MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    StuffnJunk wrote:
    NO ONE "LIP SYNCS" GUITAR OR BASS!!!!!!!!!!

    I think you're right about Jeff, Mike, and Stone but there are definitely lip-synchers out there.
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    StuffnJunkStuffnJunk Posts: 896
    MattyJoe wrote:
    I think you're right about Jeff, Mike, and Stone but there are definitely lip-synchers out there.
    who?????

    i heard someone says this about a cover band at a bar..."the bass player wasn't really playing, he must have had a track playing on cd of the basslines to all the songs"....that is so ridiculous
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    SavedFuckerSavedFucker Posts: 215
    his left hand is pressing notes on the neck
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    FrankieJFrankieJ Posts: 602
    I didn't hear the fill, so i don't know.

    But, I think the video/audio could be not scychronized perfect.

    So it might look like hes not playing the fill, but in reality he played it and the audio is off.

    Just a thought...
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    the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    StuffnJunk wrote:
    who?????

    i heard someone says this about a cover band at a bar..."the bass player wasn't really playing, he must have had a track playing on cd of the basslines to all the songs"....that is so ridiculous

    actually, there was a band here in my hometown, that we all found out that had a generic Bass track playing behind their bass player on all songs live , cause he was so fucked up most of the time he could not stay in time , or even play the right song. so it happens. we ( other bands playing out at the time ) all knew this was the case but never said anything.

    they would just turn down his "live" bass when he fucked up and turned up his " backing track bass" . then would adjust as needed.

    but.........there is not a chance in hell that jeff is not playing at the shows. IMO.
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    Stephen FlowStephen Flow Posts: 3,327
    the fact that someone took the time to make a video to point out that Jeff may not have been playing his instrument (he was) during a really old performance is sad and humorous at the same time.
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    yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    FrankieG wrote:
    But, I think the video/audio could be not scychronized perfect.

    So it might look like hes not playing the fill, but in reality he played it and the audio is off.

    Just a thought...


    Thats what I was thinking... also, you can see his left hand on the note also.

    Okay just watched it a few times. Looks like he doesn't hit the notes at all on the run, however, it could just be a snych issue. Don't know but I have to say I really don't care at this point.
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    StuffnJunkStuffnJunk Posts: 896
    the wolf wrote:
    actually, there was a band here in my hometown, that we all found out that had a generic Bass track playing behind their bass player on all songs live , cause he was so fucked up most of the time he could not stay in time , or even play the right song. so it happens. we ( other bands playing out at the time ) all knew this was the case but never said anything.

    they would just turn down his "live" bass when he fucked up and turned up his " backing track bass" . then would adjust as needed.

    but.........there is not a chance in hell that jeff is not playing at the shows. IMO.
    that's crazy!!! that guy must have had some big connections!!!

    i guess every song had to start with the bass track, and the others had to jump in with it...i can't even imagine how this would work

    from what i've seen, being able to PLAY AN INSTRUMENT is usually requirement #1 for getting into or staying in a band!!!
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    MrsOakleyMrsOakley Posts: 181
    I don't think Jeff Ament could fake anything, the guy is so for real, he's a treasure. And even if he could, the last thing would be the MUSIC, for crying out loud! How can anyone know anything about this guy and even think such a thing?? Again, not a rap on you, but geez, a little perspective and common sense, even if they are decidedly out of fashion.

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    JordyWordyJordyWordy Posts: 2,257
    i thinks its bs but anyway i thought this was a fair point to raise:

    its very easy to counteract that video with the Why Go performance from Pinkpop 1992. (importantly similar era). Jeffs running around a lot and the cable pulls out of his bass about a minute in, and the bass clearly disappears, then he plugs back in.

    Or is this my counter-conspiracy-theory???? MWAHAHAHA
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    Given2Fly...SDGiven2Fly...SD Posts: 146
    why would he fix a cable if he was faking?

    cause their is no spoon!

    how dare the doubt jeff's fatty bass lines
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    DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,752
    I definitely agree that the video seems a hair out of sych with the audio and that Jeff could've hit the notes he hit AND adjusted the cable at the same time.

    Case closed.

    Abruzzi, on the other hand, was TOTALLY faking it.
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    MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    dreamweaver wrote:
    You Cant Even Really Hear The Bass

    I can hear it fine.
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    StuffnJunkStuffnJunk Posts: 896
    kramer - "i'ved faked it."

    jerry - "YOU'VE faked it?"

    kramer - "yeah...when it's enough already, and i just wanna get some sleep."
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    VacateVacate Posts: 57
    interesting observation, but this video is so old maybe someone overdubbed that fill or like someone said the video is out of sync. either way, those snl performances are truly priceless.
    If you want to look at questionable performances, watch The Last Waltz, that whole damn concert(minus the drums) was overdubbed, especially the bass lines. at one point you hear a walking bassline all over the neck and rick danko isnt moving his hand and barely picking...still one of the best concerts ever though.
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