Wisconsin had a surplus just recently. They literally had more money than they needed.
And Scott Walker gave corporations some HUGE tax cuts intentionally to create that deficit. So he could have an excuse to bust the unions. So He could then sell union-free utilities to the Koch Brothers (who funded his campaign and are funding his current ad campaign, by the way). So they can lower everyone's wages, do away with benefits, do away with worker safety, do away with any protections at all AND raise the prices of water and power.. so they can make lots of money.
THAT is who you're supporting. Congratulations. You are helping shit on the American dream. Hope you're proud of yourself.
how I would like to believe????? I am a fucking public employees union member AFSCME 2822
87 million, 87,000,000 of the dollars forcefully collected FROM ME and others like me WHO ARE ACTUALLY
FORCED IN a public employees union that were given by AFSCME to democratic candidates all around the country. And if you think the democrats are thinking about the people you are mistaken, they are thinking about what will get me elected just like every other politician. The only liberal I know that was ever simply thinking of the people was Senator Paul Wellstone, and when he died so did my faith in government. So please before you try to simply say not true you might want to research it and see that it is the Unions who forcefully take money from all public employees in the state of minnesota, and they turn around and give that money to liberal candidates around the country. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... TopStories
but you are right, it is okay for the unions to forcefully take money and then turn around and spend that money on democrats only, who then vote to keep the unions ability to forcefully take money...seems cyclical to me...
And don't even get me started on the union basically paying for campaigns of state democrats so they can do things like denying Right to Work legislations...Tell me if unions are so great, why are they afraid of employees having a choice?
it is fucking garbage and the democrats are as in bed with the unions as the so called republicans are with big business...
By the way, I am very libertarian, just to set the record straight, I dislike republicans about as much as I dislike democrats...
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You should not be forced to join the union and it is a huge problem that they donate to politically with your money but maybe the problem is just the fact that this is allowed. Why do we have to eradicate collective bargaining? Why can't we just change these obviously bullshit laws and rules? I'm not accusing you of this, Mike, but there is such a "throw the baby out with the bathwater" mentality these days.
I would agree that compromise is necessary for good government. This issue should never have come to this and walker will suffer the consequences of failing to remember he wasn't just elected to represent the republicans of wisconsin...the best politicians realize they are representing the entire populace...Too few realize it, and even fewer are able to actually do it.
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you make some excellent points here jason. it has been 4 months since the election. where are the jobs? fuck it, we are stripping collective bargaining rights, defunding women's health, and focusing on anything BUT the obvious lack of jobs and how that is affecting the economy....
Wisconsin has a deficit of 3.6 billion!!! The budget repair bill, which requires state workers to contribute more for health care and pensions will help close the gap! THE ALTERNATIVES-LAYING OFF WORKERS OR RAISING TAXES! 146,000 people have already lost their jobs in the last 2 years in wisconsin! 60,000 have lost their homes! They don't think requiring state employees to pitch in and do what most in the private sector have done already is too much to ask! Its important to remember that those being asked to make modest contributions to their pension and health insurance will still have jobs! Pensions which are disappearing in the private sector, will still be there for them when they retire! Public employees will be paying more for health insurance but still FAR LESS than their average private sector counterparts and the quality of those benefits remain intact! Those 14 Senate Democrats continue to hold up democracy hiding out in Illinois instead of doing their duty as elected officials!!!!
Also, just because Tom Morello can play guitar does NOT give him the right to come into Wisconsin (without educating himself on ALL of the issues) and spread his verbal diahhrea of Raging Against The Machine!!!
I believe the teachers agreed to the pay-cut and paying into their insurance. They just don't want to give up their right to bargain collectively.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
Also, just because Tom Morello can play guitar does NOT give him the right to come into Wisconsin (without educating himself on ALL of the issues) and spread his verbal diahhrea of Raging Against The Machine!!!
Hm... and yet you clearly haven't educated yourself about any of the issues and are spreading your bullshit here.
Also, just because Tom Morello can play guitar does NOT give him the right to come into Wisconsin (without educating himself on ALL of the issues) and spread his verbal diahhrea of Raging Against The Machine!!!
Hm... and yet you clearly haven't educated yourself about any of the issues and are spreading your bullshit here.
Everything I posted are FACTS!!!
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Wisconsin had a surplus just recently. They literally had more money than they needed.
And Scott Walker gave corporations some HUGE tax cuts intentionally to create that deficit. So he could have an excuse to bust the unions. So He could then sell union-free utilities to the Koch Brothers (who funded his campaign and are funding his current ad campaign, by the way). So they can lower everyone's wages, do away with benefits, do away with worker safety, do away with any protections at all AND raise the prices of water and power.. so they can make lots of money.
THAT is who you're supporting. Congratulations. You are helping shit on the American dream. Hope you're proud of yourself.
WOW! Where do you get your information from out there in California???????
Walker has only been governor for 4 months! This state has been in deficit for a few years! You live under a rock? Wow man, just wow!
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So I guess your solution is to raise taxes and cut jobs??? Cause the facts are that is the altenative!
My solution is to do away with the tax-free status of banks, churches, the massive tax cuts on the billionaires, bring the manufacturing back to America, and allow us all to be prosperous again.
I guess you want us to be like.. what? India? With a tiny mega-rich class and a huge under class and virtually no middle class? Cuz that's where we're going.
Walker has only been governor for 4 months! This state has been in deficit for a few years! You live under a rock? Wow man, just wow!
Nope. you're wrong.
Wisconsin had a 120 million dollar surplus, but the new governor pushed through huge tax cuts in his first days in office so he could claim a "budget repair bill" was needed.
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
...
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Well... it costs money to properly maintain fire extinguishers... and make sure that machinery is all working properly. Air conditioning in factories? That's expensive and it's the kind of thing that only collective bargaining can bring.
yes, there are some government regulations that give a level of safety but the Koch brothers have been chipping away at those, too. When workers are over-worked and in unsafe conditions, accidents can happen.. huge ones.. and it's only things like Unions that have been truly effective at protecting the people.
Look at China and India where line workers die all the time because of malfunctioning, poorly-maintained machinery, people are over-worked into depression and suicide, fires start because of bad wiring because of low standards and hundreds of people die... I mean, these are the things that unions were started FOR.. not just so people could be lazy.
I disagree. In some larger corporations, they company is the one setting a higher safety standard. And in some cases, it's the union that cares more about the wrong things rather than making their members follow safety procedures.
So, I am not entirely sure that the KOCH brothers are doing away with safety standards. If so, I'd like to see some example. Also, air conditioning is not a safety standard except in extreme cases. In the most effective companies, the union has a negative impact on safety (in my opinion).
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Yeah.
And ya know why?
Wisconsin had a surplus just recently. They literally had more money than they needed.
And Scott Walker gave corporations some HUGE tax cuts intentionally to create that deficit. So he could have an excuse to bust the unions. So He could then sell union-free utilities to the Koch Brothers (who funded his campaign and are funding his current ad campaign, by the way). So they can lower everyone's wages, do away with benefits, do away with worker safety, do away with any protections at all AND raise the prices of water and power.. so they can make lots of money.
THAT is who you're supporting. Congratulations. You are helping shit on the American dream. Hope you're proud of yourself.
Because the ultra-rich and corporations aren't pitching in at all. Everyone isn't "pitching in" so much as "getting the shaft."
Funny... I make porn for a living and I fuck fewer people than you've helped fuck over.
Again.. hope you're proud of yourself.
I would agree that compromise is necessary for good government. This issue should never have come to this and walker will suffer the consequences of failing to remember he wasn't just elected to represent the republicans of wisconsin...the best politicians realize they are representing the entire populace...Too few realize it, and even fewer are able to actually do it.
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- Joe Rogan
I believe the teachers agreed to the pay-cut and paying into their insurance. They just don't want to give up their right to bargain collectively.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Hm... and yet you clearly haven't educated yourself about any of the issues and are spreading your bullshit here.
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Summerfest 6/29/06 & 6/30/06
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Wrigley 2013
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Telluride 16
Walker has only been governor for 4 months! This state has been in deficit for a few years! You live under a rock? Wow man, just wow!
Missoula 6/20/98
Alpine Valley 6/26/98 & 6/27/98
Alpine Valley 10/8/00
Champaign 4/23/03
Alpine Valley 6/21/03
Missoula 8/29/05
Chicago 5/16 & 17/06
Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Summerfest 6/29/06 & 6/30/06
Tampa 6/12/08
Chicago 8/23/09
Indy 5/7/10
Alpine Valley x2 2011
Wrigley 2013
Milwaukee 14
Telluride 16
Missoula 6/20/98
Alpine Valley 6/26/98 & 6/27/98
Alpine Valley 10/8/00
Champaign 4/23/03
Alpine Valley 6/21/03
Missoula 8/29/05
Chicago 5/16 & 17/06
Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Summerfest 6/29/06 & 6/30/06
Tampa 6/12/08
Chicago 8/23/09
Indy 5/7/10
Alpine Valley x2 2011
Wrigley 2013
Milwaukee 14
Telluride 16
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-3-2011/crisis-in-the-dairyland---for-richer-and-poorer---teachers-and-wall-street
My solution is to do away with the tax-free status of banks, churches, the massive tax cuts on the billionaires, bring the manufacturing back to America, and allow us all to be prosperous again.
I guess you want us to be like.. what? India? With a tiny mega-rich class and a huge under class and virtually no middle class? Cuz that's where we're going.
Nope. you're wrong.
Wisconsin had a 120 million dollar surplus, but the new governor pushed through huge tax cuts in his first days in office so he could claim a "budget repair bill" was needed.
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you've been had.
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
...
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
I disagree. In some larger corporations, they company is the one setting a higher safety standard. And in some cases, it's the union that cares more about the wrong things rather than making their members follow safety procedures.
So, I am not entirely sure that the KOCH brothers are doing away with safety standards. If so, I'd like to see some example. Also, air conditioning is not a safety standard except in extreme cases. In the most effective companies, the union has a negative impact on safety (in my opinion).
And you're basing your opinion on what, exactly?
And that said... sure, there are companies that care about their workers. And then there are many more that cut as many corners as they possibly can.