Ptolemy was wrong, and so was Copernicus......

whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
edited February 2011 in A Moving Train
This is neither a geocentric universe nor a heliocentric one, it is an egocentric universe. There is nothing more liberating than thinking about one's own insignificance. Most of us have 75 years on this pale blue dot, 75 years out of the hundreds of millions that some species of homo- have breathed the air of this planet. For you religious folk, let's just simply look at the last 2,000 years since the Bible was written: 75 out of 2,000 is quite a small fraction. 3.75 % to be exact. I like to think sometimes about the fact that 100 years from now it will be as if I never existed. I will be long dead; my nieces and nephews will be long dead (I'm not having kids), and their children, who will only know me by name if at all, likely, will be in their twilight years.

As an atheist/agnostic/pagan/heathen/heretic, whatever you would like to call me, after these 75 years of bliss, there is nothing. Actually, I can't even call it nothing, because that would be an attempt to define what comes next, when in my view what comes next is indefinable.

What bothers me is how people, whether 1 in 6.5 billion, or 1 in the tens of billions who have walked this earth, can feel that they are beyond the idea of humility. I have met a lot of people in my life who feel that they are God's (or Allah's or Yahweh's) gift to the human race. I laugh at these people who seem to be oblivious to the fact that their 7 decades are essentially a speck of dust. I call this the pedestal syndrome. We raise ourselves up on a pedestal and look down upon the world with our noses up and our mouth yapping. We know everything, even though we barely exert any energy to learn. We hold ourselves up because we make a lot of money (which is simply an abstract idea. We ascribe a deep meaning to money in order to feed our egos); we let our beliefs and opinions replace the power of facts, the power of knowledge. We embrace hubris when we should embrace humility. We fiendishly strive for the accumulation of wealth and material possessions, all the while becoming a cancer on the planet, essentially becoming playing a role in its destruction and our own demise.

We would all be much better off if we simply step down form our pedestal. Our egos are running wild, propelled by stubbornness, narrow-mindedness, and a false sense of self-idolotry. It is quite sad. A cure for this would be to spend some time amongst nature. Camp in the Tetons, hike in the Green Mountains, snowshoe in Yellowstone, surf in the Pacific, do something. get off the couch, turn off the television, log off of Facebook and immerse yourself in the world. This would sure you. All in all it's a lost cause, I think.

Raise your glasses. Here's to Insignificance!
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  • gfnk001gfnk001 Posts: 652
    Reading this as they are playing it on PJ Radio, so true, so true. Such a short time. So live each day to its fullest and Carpe Diem.
  • That's a decent "map" of reality. Just remember, the map is not the territory.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    That's a decent "map" of reality. Just remember, the map is not the territory.


    Borges scares me.
  • whygohome wrote:
    That's a decent "map" of reality. Just remember, the map is not the territory.


    Borges scares me.

    That is Korzybski. I like his work in linguistics, especially http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_prime

    edit: and to emphasize the importance of eliminating the word "is" and all forms of "to be" from our language, apparently that wasn't Korzybski's idea.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • KravenKraven Posts: 829
    I thought it was he who dies with the most toys wins? :lol:
    whygohome wrote:
    ...essentially becoming playing a role in its destruction and our own demise.

    You had me until this.

    It is human arrogance to ever think that we could ever have a lasting effect on the planet. Short term? Maybe but eventually when the planet is done with us, she will find a way to right herself.
    32 shows and counting...
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Kraven wrote:
    I thought it was he who dies with the most toys wins? :lol:
    whygohome wrote:
    ...essentially becoming playing a role in its destruction and our own demise.

    You had me until this.

    It is human arrogance to ever think that we could ever have a lasting effect on the planet. Short term? Maybe but eventually when the planet is done with us, she will find a way to right herself.

    Good point. It will be our demise.

    She'll "shake us as if we were a cold"
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    whygohome wrote:
    This is neither a geocentric universe nor a heliocentric one, it is an egocentric universe. There is nothing more liberating than thinking about one's own insignificance. Most of us have 75 years on this pale blue dot, 75 years out of the hundreds of millions that some species of homo- have breathed the air of this planet. For you religious folk, let's just simply look at the last 2,000 years since the Bible was written: 75 out of 2,000 is quite a small fraction. 3.75 % to be exact. I like to think sometimes about the fact that 100 years from now it will be as if I never existed. I will be long dead; my nieces and nephews will be long dead (I'm not having kids), and their children, who will only know me by name if at all, likely, will be in their twilight years.

    As an atheist/agnostic/pagan/heathen/heretic, whatever you would like to call me, after these 75 years of bliss, there is nothing. Actually, I can't even call it nothing, because that would be an attempt to define what comes next, when in my view what comes next is indefinable.

    What bothers me is how people, whether 1 in 6.5 billion, or 1 in the tens of billions who have walked this earth, can feel that they are beyond the idea of humility. I have met a lot of people in my life who feel that they are God's (or Allah's or Yahweh's) gift to the human race. I laugh at these people who seem to be oblivious to the fact that their 7 decades are essentially a speck of dust. I call this the pedestal syndrome. We raise ourselves up on a pedestal and look down upon the world with our noses up and our mouth yapping. We know everything, even though we barely exert any energy to learn. We hold ourselves up because we make a lot of money (which is simply an abstract idea. We ascribe a deep meaning to money in order to feed our egos); we let our beliefs and opinions replace the power of facts, the power of knowledge. We embrace hubris when we should embrace humility. We fiendishly strive for the accumulation of wealth and material possessions, all the while becoming a cancer on the planet, essentially becoming playing a role in its destruction and our own demise.

    We would all be much better off if we simply step down form our pedestal. Our egos are running wild, propelled by stubbornness, narrow-mindedness, and a false sense of self-idolotry. It is quite sad. A cure for this would be to spend some time amongst nature. Camp in the Tetons, hike in the Green Mountains, snowshoe in Yellowstone, surf in the Pacific, do something. get off the couch, turn off the television, log off of Facebook and immerse yourself in the world. This would sure you. All in all it's a lost cause, I think.

    Raise your glasses. Here's to Insignificance!
    Cheers! Big picture point of views are always refreshing. We should do this more often.

    Great post, as well as Kraven's point.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Great post!
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    All in all it's no one's fault. Excuses turn to carbon walls.
    Blame it all on chemical intercourse.
    The swallowed seas of arrogance breathing in the thoughts of ten
    thousand fools defy irreverence

    The full moon is dead skin. The one down here's wearing thin.
    So set up the ten pins as the human tide rolls in.
    Like a ball that's spinning.

    Bombs dropping down overhead. On the ground.
    It's instilled to want to live.
    Bombs dropping down. Please forget our hometown in our insignificance.

    "Turn the jukebox up," he said. Dancing in irreverence.
    Plays C3. Let the song protest.

    The plates begin to shift. Perfect lefts come rolling in.
    I was alone and far away.. ..ay. When I heard the band start playing.
    On a lip, late take off.

    Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground.
    It's instilled to want to live.
    Bombs dropping down. Please forgive our hometown in our insignificance.

    Feel like resonance of distance. In the blood the iron lies.

    It's instilled to want to live.
    Bombs dropping down. Please forget our hometown in our insignificance.
    Oh, in our insignificance, oh.
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
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    by chickweed » 02 Aug 2010 20:28

    like a slap in the face
    it hit me
    as the human brain became more and more complex
    chemical evolution developed the higher emotions
    the mind, heart, and soul all emerged as curious and curiouser
    soul-searching humans developed the very soul for which they sought solace
    so love and hate, courage and fear, all characteristics that are natured or nurtured are inborn
    their prominance or recessiveness all depend on which were born strongest
    what i used to call god
    i now call the universe
    i don't even know what to call
    the hyper space that houses hundreds of billions of other universes
    our only hope is that the energy source behind our big bang (and countless others)
    is aware of us and our fragile souls

    otherwise
    there is no other side
    to meet you on
    to take a look on
    or to break on through to
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    hell
    we created god in our image
    the pin point of alpha where it all began
    hydrogen heats
    making hydrogen hearts
    all bringing billions of years of cosmic evolution
    to the us and fucking now
    all of the faces we have put on god
    yahweh?
    god the father?
    allah?
    wrong
    wrong
    wrong
    it is much much broader and brighter than we ever evolved our imaginations to dream.
    humankind is just a blip of time on the face of the earth
    even less in our sun's age
    and microscopic in terms of the age of just our universe
    mind blowing
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
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