Cats having tubes forced down their throats on 2/14

Tjtea

On Valentine's Day PCMC in Utah will be hurting cats while we spend time with our loved ones. The following is from PETA but even if you don't agree with them I think you can see how horrible this is, please take a few minutes out of your day and pick up the phone thanks.
"During this harmful exercise, cats will have hard plastic tubes forced down their delicate windpipes for intubation training—even though modern, superior simulators are available and widely used across the country for this very purpose.

PCMC can try to ignore the recommendations of leading medical organizations and experts in the field who strongly endorse the use of simulators for intubation training—but we can't allow PCMC to ignore your voice!

Please take a moment to call PCMC's Pediatric Education Services Department at 1-800-910-7262 and politely ask the facility to replace the use of animals in the upcoming Transport Conference with modern and humane simulators." :evil:

he still stands

I was hoping this was some seriously vague yet raunchy double entendre... sorry to see that it isn't.

jg1988

who cares?

Shawshank

he still stands wrote:

I was hoping this was some seriously vague yet raunchy double entendre... sorry to see that it isn't.

he still stands

jg1988 wrote:

who cares?

PETA, the sympathetic, the bleeding hearts, the loving, most potheads, people who do yoga, hippies, animal lovers, the enlightened, and the OP. Generally speaking, of course.

Claireack

That's awful.

Loulou

Hmm, we used ET tubes when sterilising cats in the vet I used to work at and we were told that we had to be extremely careful not to inflate the tube's balloon or insert it a certain way, so as not to cause laryngaspasms (Not sure if I spelt that right), where the cat's throat can seize and not be able to breathe but never heard of it causing damage? Not saying this isn't true, it obviously is just interested coz I've never heard of it before. We used ET tubes so to avoid the cat vomiting from the Propofol and inhaling it into it's lungs. Also as a means to closely monitor the intake of oxygen and gas so the cat didn't wake up half way through. Are they thinking of using a mask instead or something? If there's another way, I'm all for it!
By the way, this was done after the cat was given the propofol so they were not awake.

UpSideDown

Does it do any damage to the cats, or is just uncomfortable & stressing? Also, how long does this process take?

I would need to know more about how the simulators work and if they truly compare to the real experience.....

Is it better for them to learn correctly in a real setting and put a cat through some distress, rather than use a simulator and possibly risk having an animal die later due to insufficient training?

This is for vet students correct?

Loulou

Yeah, that's what I was wondering? :?

UpSideDown wrote:

Does it do any damage to the cats, or is just uncomfortable & stressing? Also, how long does this process take?

I would need to know more about how the simulators work and if they truly compare to the real experience.....

Is it better for them to learn correctly in a real setting and put a cat through some distress, rather than use a simulator and possibly risk having an animal die later due to insufficient training?
This is for vet students correct?

Tjtea

PCMC is the Primary Children's Medical Center. They are doing this for intubation training. The simulators that are available are better suited for training. I believe they are similar to the CPR dummies that are used in certification courses.

Loulou

Well, I don't see this as a problem, wouldn't hurt to at least start off on a simulator, in fact probably more comfortable for the student too really. I remember having to euthanase a pigeon (I was looking after one at the time too) I pulled one out of the box and it looked just like Alby, my pigeon. I already knew how to euthanse a bird so I put it back into the box before anyone saw me and told the teacher I had completed the task. I love birds and couldn't kill one for no reason, especially one that looked like Alby.Hence, I didn't make the best vet nurse. :? Mind you, a simulator would have to be pretty bloody real to compensate.

Jason P

I'm usually not one to agree with PETA as I think they are lunatics, but a simulator seems to be the way to go. Babies aren't covered in fur and usually don't have claws. If I had a child at a hospital for this procedure and the doc said, "don't worry, I tried this out on a cat once", I would punch 'em in the face.