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lukins.lawyer

Ok, so this has already been addressed, but last week the newest version of Zeitgeist was released. I watched it, and you should too. PJ fans unite. Reckon with one another. Our world is at stake.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

choose the video on the left - "moving forward."

Peace and Happiness to all.

zarocat

I watched this last night and I'm scared. I'm truly scared. Not for me but for the children of this earth. I've been aware of what this documentary preaches for quite some time. It baffles my fuckin' brain that this man made game continues. Seriously, how am I suppose to look at anything or anyone in the eye anymore without bringing up the fact of the monetary system and the strangle hold it carries ?
The biggest thing is this games paradox. The game works towards oppressing you and having you fall in line to serve the monetary system which is actually impossible, giving off states of depression, reclusiveness, anxiety etc., and talking about it's solution, it's turn around for the greater good, brings with it the same states of being.
... Fuck off ...
And, one last thing and again a reminder, and this is not intended to offend anyone, but 24 hrs into lukins.lawyer's original post, I'm the only one here. Ya, yay for me, right ? <-- I wonder how many readers of this post went right to that immediate conclusion ? Please note that I do not mean to undermine the intelligence of this community.

I think the biggest challenge is bringing down the walls of our own personal belief systems. Man, for someone to reconstruct and through away all that they have ever known, is why "it" will crumble before we bring about a collective change, in my opinion.
A billion people, maybe more, starving right now because we serve a false god. Money.
I no longer serve that God. I'll play the game, well, I have too don't I ? But I'm changing the rules.
Us, as a man or a woman, who is going to make a conscious effort to change the rules of this game for themselves and for the planet ? If you are still surrounded by those that have not been exposed to this reality, how can you take them seriously anymore ? It's almost like you hold a disgust towards them for not waking up.
Talk about a mind fuck....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG7p6CSbCU

Drowned Out

How are you going to change the rules? What does that mean?

I watched a good portion of this last night, but will have to try again (had a series of interruptions).
I agreed with pretty much every word spoken in the movie, and feel that most people who are aware of geopolitics and the social, economic, cultural constructs surrounding them, would agree as well...most of us have known this stuff for a long time...the question is: how do we implement the changes they're calling for? I might have missed that part...How do we switch the very foundation of our culture and belief systems without some kind of massive revolution...and how much blood would spill, how many mouths would go unfed in the meantime?
Thing is...it's already happening; the blood and starvation. Those of us who resist such a revolution are suffering from the old NIMBY syndrome.

mysticweed

it's a fact that the wealth of the world could feed the hungry of the world
bono and logistics aside
but it will never happen
never
the greed
the greed
the fucking greed
i often think, gee if all the rich people gave half of their stuff to the poor it would help so much
yet i and my meager belongings are left untouched
half of my stuff could help somebody, i'm sure
so
help
help
hungry children don't need jewelry and perfume

arthurdent

http://tektonticker.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... geist.html

We interrupt our series on Nailed for a bulletin…

While I was recovering from our household mishap last week, some news surfaced regarding the Arizona shooter Jared Loughner and his fondness for the Zeitgeist movie – that online virus which is one part 9/11 conspiracy hatch, one part “the government is out to get you” blather, and one part “Jesus was stolen from pagan copycat” thesis – the latter of which is one of my specialty areas as an apologist.

Some background is in order. I declined to engage Zeitgeist for a long time because I had resolved not to deal in exceptionally foolish material that I had already answered in substance. I had already answered all the “pagan copycat” material in detail years before (as it came from the likes of Acharya S) so I saw no need to give Zeitgeist the credit of a fresh refutation.

My disdain for the film was so great that Nick Peters and a friend of his, Dave Sorrell, even turned it into a sort of prank in which they’d ask me when I planned to refute Zeitgeist. I didn’t, but I did give a few readers permission to use my material in their own refutations, and asked another reader, Jonathan Brown, to provide a refutation for Shattering the Christ Myth. I never did see the film myself until the Christian Research Journal asked me to write an article on it. But when I finally did see it, I found I had been correct – nothing new, nothing I had not refuted before. (See link below for the “hub page” for my series on the pagan copycat myth.)

So, now the story has broken that one of Loughner’s former friends, Zach Osler, has said on an ABC news interview that Loughner had a strong interest in the film. I’ll let he experts in psychology decide to what extent Loughner’s actions were influenced by Zeitgeist; on the surface, with Osler saying Loughner used to watch and talk about it all the time, it doesn’t look too bright for Peter Joseph, the film’s producer, who is doing some rather amusing attempts at damage control over on his website, saying, for example, that Osler hadn’t seen Loughner for two years. Yes, and in that time, Loughner managed to find some OTHER “the government is out to get you” and “pagan copycat” inspiration and forgot all about Zeitgeist. Of course he did.

Situations like this tend to have a chicken and egg conundrum: Did Zeitgeist inspire Loughner, or was he already inspired and looking for confirmation which he found there? I’m not near expert enough to solve this, so again, I’ll leave that to the experts, and my focus will continue to be the same, for whether or not Loughner was inspired by Zeitgeist, it’s arguments are still ribald nonsense – in all three parts. That means I am out to stop anyone being influenced to any extent by it – whether they are inspired to gun down a member of Congress, or leave their Christian faith, or even if it just inspires them to buy bonds, Zeitgeist isn’t a source anyone needs to be basing any decisions on, because it is patently and egregiously false. That’s something Peter Joseph ought to be ashamed of even if Zeitgeist had ended up with only 6 views on YouTube in ten years, and then unceremoniously disappeared.

In the meantime, this is certainly an aspect of the situation we need to hear more about – and I’m all for that, since it seems I can’t bring this issue to the attention of churches by normal routes. Perhaps this will finally convince a few pastors out that that it is time to bring more apologetics to the pulpit!

Nick Peters will have the helm tomorrow for a final post on Carrier’s Christmas post, then we’ll return to Nailed.

Here's an article on the subject which includes a transcript of the interview with Osler.

FiveB247x

Not sure bout the new film, but I watched the original Zeitgeist. I don't have any vested interest in the religious aspect... but the part about the financial issues and the federal reserve is selective and not thorough. I watched it and then did my own research and inquiries afterwards and lots of it is merely pieced together on loosely connected facts and connections in history. Ie.. it is edited together to make a good story or theory but in reality is not fact, more of a twisted retrospective on economics, history and power through the century. It's done in a very simplistic manner so it makes it easy to enjoy, watch and capture mentally, yet in reality, it leads you down a path of false assumptions based on half-truthes compared to taking it for fact.

zarocat

Drowned Out wrote:

How are you going to change the rules? What does that mean?

I'm going to change the rules for me. For example, the way I purchase, what I purchase, why I'm purchasing.
I don't think I've been doing that to it's full potential. Being 100% conscious of my actions and the ripple effect they will cause. Be it positive or negative or it just is, we will see if it can be done, I don't know.
I think it is important to make a rule on how much attention is deserved to what I can't control.

"Zeitgeist isn’t a source anyone needs to be basing any decisions on"

arthurdent, I agree that Zeitgeist isn't a source anyone needs to be basing any decisions on but I do know it is a basis to asks questions. You must agree with that ?

Prince Of Dorkness

arthurdent wrote:

While I was recovering from our household mishap last week, some news surfaced regarding the Arizona shooter Jared Loughner and his fondness for the Zeitgeist movie –

Yeah, yeah, yeah... just like the "letter from his mom" who said he posted on DailyKOS or the interviews with friends who said he was a "far-left liberal."

If that was true, it would be in more places than some indie blog.

If there was any truth to him liking Zeitgeist, we'd know about it.

(and the part about how Christianity is based on other religions and Frakenstiened into a new one... that's actually pretty true.)

whygohome

zarocat wrote:

I think the biggest challenge is bringing down the walls of our own personal belief systems.

There is nothing more difficult. Beliefs are more important than facts. Every individual in American society is an expert on everything from economics to political theory; all this without one ounce of energy exerted to study, research, and learn about the world. Amazing. We are all God's perfect creatures.

CH156378

i think i'll download some pearl jam songs. get some pearl jam concert tickets. drive to a show. stop and get a $5 footlong on the way. have a couple beers at the show. maybe have a j. drive home. go to bed.