He wants to get rid of the Federal Department of Education. True. The States have their own, and another level of it is not necessary. I agree with this move.
Libertarianism is rooted in classical Liberalism, which sounds exactly like what you are talking about-- that their IS a responsibility to your fellow man in your dealings. Everyone has a role, and is free to choose that role, but bears the responsibility of doing that role honestly and without harm to anyone else, and assumes no right to anyone else's life or property. In this way, libertarians are just like socialists.
However, we do not believe the state serves any real efficiency in making sure that society plays like a team outside of providing common defense, enforcing contracts between consenting parties by acting as a just third party, and protecting life, liberty, and property.
Same goal, different implementation if you ask me.
yeah ... i know the individual rights of the states are important to you guys however, i believe education should be mandated and regulated at the national level ... that is should be free or at least heavily subsidized ...
as for the philosophies ... i think what it boils down to is what would work best in society ... knowing full well what most people would do without regulations, mainly corporations, i have no faith that this society would do what's best for all as opposed to just looking out for themselves ...
i know the individual rights of the states are important to you guys however,
This is the biggest piece for me. The beauty of the united states is that if you don't like where you live you should be able to make changes...either pick up and move to a state that more suits your lifestyle, or to try to make changes in the actual state with which you live. If Minnesota wanted to move to a socialist model we should be able to, but that doesn't mean that the people who live here have to stay here. If the state suddenly wanted to take 35% income tax from all its citizens and start paying for their healthcare, or food, or housing or whatever else, they should be able to do that as long as the rights guaranteed to every citizen weren't violated. I wish there really was more choice between states to be honest...personally I wouldn't choose to live somewhere socialism was in full effect, but I think there are plenty of people that would choose to live in a state that has those ideals. I wish we lived in a nation that allowed people to choose more. States have the rights of "police powers." I think a lot would be solved if people began to think this way instead of trying to get 300 million to agree. I don't know, hope that makes sense
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socialists place greater value on the wants and needs of the masses vs. the individual ... modern day socialism recognizes that given free reign and without restrictions - people would act strictly on their own self interests and that although the majority of people are not selfish or greedy ... the few that are would wreak a significant impact to those who are not ...
socialists believe in government and the need to regulate things like health care and education and the environment ... given free reign - socialists do not believe that corporations will act in the best interests of society but for themselves ... so, if that means dumping toxic waste into a watershed - that is what a corporation will do ...
care to explain why you think socialists do not acknowledge greed?
Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own collective good... That doctrine right there does not acknowledge greed, it acts as if a whole society can act together for the greater good, but thats not how the realy world works, and can't pretend that greed does not exist.
I think you may be mistaken on what socialism is and isn't. It isn't about devaluing the individual as much as you make it seem. I think the greed aspect is that people are naturally greedy as individuals and that the greed needs to be redirected to greed as a group...at least that is how I take it
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I think you may be mistaken on what socialism is and isn't. It isn't about devaluing the individual as much as you make it seem. I think the greed aspect is that people are naturally greedy as individuals and that the greed needs to be redirected to greed as a group...at least that is how I take it
she copy and pasted from a quote from ayn rand who basically was against any collective ideology ... it's not really what socialism is ...
I think you may be mistaken on what socialism is and isn't. It isn't about devaluing the individual as much as you make it seem. I think the greed aspect is that people are naturally greedy as individuals and that the greed needs to be redirected to greed as a group...at least that is how I take it
she copy and pasted from a quote from ayn rand who basically was against any collective ideology ... it's not really what socialism is ...
I think you may be mistaken on what socialism is and isn't. It isn't about devaluing the individual as much as you make it seem. I think the greed aspect is that people are naturally greedy as individuals and that the greed needs to be redirected to greed as a group...at least that is how I take it
I think you may be mistaken on what socialism is and isn't. It isn't about devaluing the individual as much as you make it seem. I think the greed aspect is that people are naturally greedy as individuals and that the greed needs to be redirected to greed as a group...at least that is how I take it
Who determines who's greed is redirected?
in my understanding it would be very similar to how it is done in a democracy. People would elect government officials to make those decisions. It doesn't have to be authoritarian.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
it is what you see in countries like norway and sweden ... people are free to exercise their individual choices so long as there is no detrement to society ... and that certain aspects of society such as health care, education and the environment are mandated and regulated by the government ... there is no slavery - this is not communism ... it is simply a philosophy that society would work much better working collectively rather than as individuals ...
it is what you see in countries like norway and sweden ... people are free to exercise their individual choices so long as there is no detrement to society ... and that certain aspects of society such as health care, education and the environment are mandated and regulated by the government ... there is no slavery - this is not communism ... it is simply a philosophy that society would work much better working collectively rather than as individuals ...
we over me
Norway population - 4,827,038
Sweden Population - 9,302,123
USA population - 307,006,550...
Who deems whats detremental to society? You can't make everything equal/fair at the expense of other people, life does not work like that. Philosophy does not equal reality, ideally that would be a great society, but thats not real life.
Norway population - 4,827,038
Sweden Population - 9,302,123
USA population - 307,006,550...
Who deems whats detremental to society? You can't make everything equal/fair at the expense of other people, life does not work like that. Philosophy does not equal reality, ideally that would be a great society, but thats not real life.
i don't see how population has anything to do with it ... japan is over 125 million and they have a socialist background ...
i think you are placing way too much emphasis on perceived restrictions of socialism rather than actuality ... if you look at the list of the top countries - what is it about those countries in terms of expense to other people do you find problematic?
Norway population - 4,827,038
Sweden Population - 9,302,123
USA population - 307,006,550...
Who deems whats detremental to society? You can't make everything equal/fair at the expense of other people, life does not work like that. Philosophy does not equal reality, ideally that would be a great society, but thats not real life.
i don't see how population has anything to do with it ... japan is over 125 million and they have a socialist background ...
i think you are placing way too much emphasis on perceived restrictions of socialism rather than actuality ... if you look at the list of the top countries - what is it about those countries in terms of expense to other people do you find problematic?
I don't know enough about those countries to comment.
i don't see how population has anything to do with it ... japan is over 125 million and they have a socialist background ...
They also have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Even Norway and Sweden have higher rates than the U.S. So it's obvious that Socialism doesn't do much in the way of promoting self-worth and happiness.
i don't see how population has anything to do with it ... japan is over 125 million and they have a socialist background ...
They also have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Even Norway and Sweden have higher rates than the U.S. So it's obvious that Socialism doesn't do much in the way of promoting self-worth and happiness.
I don't understand how you can automatically assume Japan's suicide rate is based on their ideological background...
This is a common response to a discussion like this, but in all honesty, what does the size of population have to do with government regulation or philosophy? Is our democracy more flawed because we've grown as a nation since inception? I don't quite understand the connection between the two at all. How exactly does that relate to the other? To me it seems more like a simplistic and misplaced way to simply dismiss the unknown.
it is what you see in countries like norway and sweden ... people are free to exercise their individual choices so long as there is no detrement to society ... and that certain aspects of society such as health care, education and the environment are mandated and regulated by the government ... there is no slavery - this is not communism ... it is simply a philosophy that society would work much better working collectively rather than as individuals ...
we over me
Norway population - 4,827,038
Sweden Population - 9,302,123
USA population - 307,006,550...
Who deems whats detremental to society? You can't make everything equal/fair at the expense of other people, life does not work like that. Philosophy does not equal reality, ideally that would be a great society, but thats not real life.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I don't understand how you can automatically assume Japan's suicide rate is based on their ideological background...
No...I'm not assuming anything. I'm simply basing my opinion on the fact that countries who live by Socialist standards, aren't necessarily happier societies as many would try and lead you to believe. If the needs of society were truly met under that institution why would so many people feel the need to kill themselves?
It's not the government job to make people "happy" but rather try and setup good, sound and fair policy for their nation which is beneficial to all. Happiness is a personal issue. People aren't "happy" because they live in a democracy or socialist state, people are happy because of their own decisions, thoughts, emotions, feelings and similar. Socialism is simply the manner in which a society allows the government to manage business and policy... that has zero to do with "happiness".
I don't understand how you can automatically assume Japan's suicide rate is based on their ideological background...
No...I'm not assuming anything. I'm simply basing my opinion on the fact that countries who live by Socialist standards, aren't necessarily happier societies as many would try and lead you to believe. If the needs of society were truly met under that institution why would so many people feel the need to kill themselves?
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
socialists place greater value on the wants and needs of the masses vs. the individual ... modern day socialism recognizes that given free reign and without restrictions - people would act strictly on their own self interests and that although the majority of people are not selfish or greedy ... the few that are would wreak a significant impact to those who are not ...
socialists believe in government and the need to regulate things like health care and education and the environment ... given free reign - socialists do not believe that corporations will act in the best interests of society but for themselves ... so, if that means dumping toxic waste into a watershed - that is what a corporation will do ...
care to explain why you think socialists do not acknowledge greed?
Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own collective good... That doctrine right there does not acknowledge greed, it acts as if a whole society can act together for the greater good, but thats not how the realy world works, and can't pretend that greed does not exist.
Sorry, but this definition is way off. I know socialists; they would laugh at this. Socialism is not evil. Socialism is not communism, and it is not Stalinism.
They also have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Even Norway and Sweden have higher rates than the U.S. So it's obvious that Socialism doesn't do much in the way of promoting self-worth and happiness.
He wants to get rid of the Federal Department of Education. True. The States have their own, and another level of it is not necessary. I agree with this move.
I agree with this as well. It's a giant waste of money. I favor states getting rid of their Departments of Education as well. I used to not think this way, but I think private schools are the way to go.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
He wants to end ALL foreign aid, aid like the $3 BILLION that the US sends to Israel each year.
Them wacky TEA Party folks.
I can only agree on ending the Iraq War. And no ending foreign aid.
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there needs to be accountability in the money that is considered aid ...
i am guessing that they consider hiring haliburton to build some roads is considered aid ...
^True.
Foreign aid is often horribly mismanaged. It is also misread and misunderstood-- aid for Israel pisses off Palestine and vice versa, and the same goes for any neighboring countries witih differences around the world. But most importantly, it should be noted that not a single dime of foreign aid actually comes from collected taxes. It is money printed, or borrowed money-- so it's money that this country simply does not have.
The intentions CAN be good, but the implementation is bad. Again, if private individuals, charities, or companies want to donate money to a certain country for whatever cause they choose, they should be free to do it. Government should not be involved in determining who gets aid and who doesn't.
Rand Paul has said that a private club can serve who they want to and not want to. The government should not force them to serve those that they don't want to.
I agree with him. However as he also stated that club or business should be prepared to face the consequences.
Bottom line is he wants $500,000,000,000 in spending cuts. Show me another politician who has taken that stand.
Typical? The only thing that is typical is certain people here that can't discuss the topic at hand.
just because one person says that they want to cut that much money doesn't mean he can or will. Rand Paul knows who is his target population is and is saying what he needs to say. I would like to see where exactly he wants to cut and how much. at that point there might be something to talk about.
It's not the government job to make people "happy" but rather try and setup good, sound and fair policy for their nation which is beneficial to all. Happiness is a personal issue. People aren't "happy" because they live in a democracy or socialist state, people are happy because of their own decisions, thoughts, emotions, feelings and similar. Socialism is simply the manner in which a society allows the government to manage business and policy... that has zero to do with "happiness".
2nd time today... "this"
Are you a single woman perhaps?
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
It's not the government job to make people "happy" but rather try and setup good, sound and fair policy for their nation which is beneficial to all. Happiness is a personal issue. People aren't "happy" because they live in a democracy or socialist state, people are happy because of their own decisions, thoughts, emotions, feelings and similar. Socialism is simply the manner in which a society allows the government to manage business and policy... that has zero to do with "happiness".
2nd time today... "this"
Are you a single woman perhaps?
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i know the individual rights of the states are important to you guys however,
This is the biggest piece for me. The beauty of the united states is that if you don't like where you live you should be able to make changes...either pick up and move to a state that more suits your lifestyle, or to try to make changes in the actual state with which you live. If Minnesota wanted to move to a socialist model we should be able to, but that doesn't mean that the people who live here have to stay here. If the state suddenly wanted to take 35% income tax from all its citizens and start paying for their healthcare, or food, or housing or whatever else, they should be able to do that as long as the rights guaranteed to every citizen weren't violated. I wish there really was more choice between states to be honest...personally I wouldn't choose to live somewhere socialism was in full effect, but I think there are plenty of people that would choose to live in a state that has those ideals. I wish we lived in a nation that allowed people to choose more. States have the rights of "police powers." I think a lot would be solved if people began to think this way instead of trying to get 300 million to agree. I don't know, hope that makes sense
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I think you may be mistaken on what socialism is and isn't. It isn't about devaluing the individual as much as you make it seem. I think the greed aspect is that people are naturally greedy as individuals and that the greed needs to be redirected to greed as a group...at least that is how I take it
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
she copy and pasted from a quote from ayn rand who basically was against any collective ideology ... it's not really what socialism is ...
in my understanding it would be very similar to how it is done in a democracy. People would elect government officials to make those decisions. It doesn't have to be authoritarian.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
it is what you see in countries like norway and sweden ... people are free to exercise their individual choices so long as there is no detrement to society ... and that certain aspects of society such as health care, education and the environment are mandated and regulated by the government ... there is no slavery - this is not communism ... it is simply a philosophy that society would work much better working collectively rather than as individuals ...
we over me
Sweden Population - 9,302,123
USA population - 307,006,550...
Who deems whats detremental to society? You can't make everything equal/fair at the expense of other people, life does not work like that. Philosophy does not equal reality, ideally that would be a great society, but thats not real life.
i don't see how population has anything to do with it ... japan is over 125 million and they have a socialist background ...
i think you are placing way too much emphasis on perceived restrictions of socialism rather than actuality ... if you look at the list of the top countries - what is it about those countries in terms of expense to other people do you find problematic?
They also have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Even Norway and Sweden have higher rates than the U.S. So it's obvious that Socialism doesn't do much in the way of promoting self-worth and happiness.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
No...I'm not assuming anything. I'm simply basing my opinion on the fact that countries who live by Socialist standards, aren't necessarily happier societies as many would try and lead you to believe. If the needs of society were truly met under that institution why would so many people feel the need to kill themselves?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Sorry, but this definition is way off. I know socialists; they would laugh at this. Socialism is not evil. Socialism is not communism, and it is not Stalinism.
I agree with the first 2; however, I do not have a problem sending foreign aid to developing countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate
i'm not sure how you can correlate socialism to suicide based on this list ...
These are all VERY good ideas - except the foreign aid one. I believe in helping people no matter who they are.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I agree with this as well. It's a giant waste of money. I favor states getting rid of their Departments of Education as well. I used to not think this way, but I think private schools are the way to go.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
there needs to be accountability in the money that is considered aid ...
i am guessing that they consider hiring haliburton to build some roads is considered aid ...
^True.
Foreign aid is often horribly mismanaged. It is also misread and misunderstood-- aid for Israel pisses off Palestine and vice versa, and the same goes for any neighboring countries witih differences around the world. But most importantly, it should be noted that not a single dime of foreign aid actually comes from collected taxes. It is money printed, or borrowed money-- so it's money that this country simply does not have.
The intentions CAN be good, but the implementation is bad. Again, if private individuals, charities, or companies want to donate money to a certain country for whatever cause they choose, they should be free to do it. Government should not be involved in determining who gets aid and who doesn't.
just because one person says that they want to cut that much money doesn't mean he can or will. Rand Paul knows who is his target population is and is saying what he needs to say. I would like to see where exactly he wants to cut and how much. at that point there might be something to talk about.
2nd time today... "this"
Are you a single woman perhaps?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
That is called a loan, the US should not be a lending institution.