Florida Lawmaker Wants Teachers to Grade Parents

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edited February 2011 in A Moving Train
Florida Lawmaker Wants Teachers to Grade Parents
The grading system is based on three criteria that Stargel wrote in the legislation:

• A child should be at school on time, prepared to learn after a good night's sleep, and have eaten a meal.

• A child should have the homework done and prepared for examinations.

• There should be regular communication between the parent and teacher.

Is this a good idea or not? Now that I now live in Florida this is a passing grade I might have to deal with.

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  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,933
    It's a good idea especially with the amount of useless parents out there. But I see 2 problems with it.

    1- What happens if a parent is always getting bad grades?

    and

    2- The parents who get bad grades most likely don't care about their childs education so they won't care and won't change.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    edited January 2011
    I think it is a good idea for Teacher's job security. Teachers, especially in public schools seem to be unfairly treated since its their job to be the teacher/parent/cop/student social services/etc. yet they are not allowed to make any decisions or disipline anybody. So think grading will have a benifit the teacher.

    Its also a sad sad realization that there are parents out there who don't want the best for their children and couldn't care less about their education/health/shelter. Sadly, grading these parents will do absolutely nothing. At my wifes school parents don't even show up for parent teach conferences to go over the progression of their child. Its doubtful they will even open up a letter addressed to them from the school. These parents don't even give their kids a bath or buy them school supplies, what make them think that once they start grading the parents that things will change???
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  • eddiec wrote:
    It's a good idea especially with the amount of useless parents out there. But I see 2 problems with it.

    1- What happens if a parent is always getting bad grades?

    and

    2- The parents who get bad grades most likely don't care about their childs education so they won't care and won't change.

    yeah, point #2 is why it's a pointless idea.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    The law makers are the ones who need to be graded, and not just every 4 years at the polls.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    lukin2006 wrote:
    The law makers are the ones who need to be graded, and not just every 4 years at the polls.


    :D This
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I like this idea... it's implement is probably more to do with not blaming teachers for kids with parents who don't give a crap, but on the other hand it does hold parents responsible which is something our society has drastically lost touch with. Shame should be used in many more ways to help "catch up" the uncaring, especially for normal things like school and basic ideals we hold in society.
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  • FiveB247x wrote:
    I like this idea... it's implement is probably more to do with not blaming teachers for kids with parents who don't give a crap, but on the other hand it does hold parents responsible which is something our society has drastically lost touch with. Shame should be used in many more ways to help "catch up" the uncaring, especially for normal things like school and basic ideals we hold in society.

    In theory it might hold them responsible, but in reality it doesn't because there are no consequences.
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  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    Students in the school where my wife teaches can call her a bitch to her face and nothing will happen as a result. The parents don't care. In fact, they just somehow make it sound like the teacher's fault tothe administartion so they don't have to do anything. There is zero accountability on their end. My wife had to talk me out of tracking down a home address just last week. Seriously...
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    g under p wrote:
    Florida Lawmaker Wants Teachers to Grade Parents
    The grading system is based on three criteria that Stargel wrote in the legislation:

    • A child should be at school on time, prepared to learn after a good night's sleep, and have eaten a meal.

    • A child should have the homework done and prepared for examinations.

    • There should be regular communication between the parent and teacher.

    Is this a good idea or not? Now that I now live in Florida this is a passing grade I might have to deal with.

    Peace

    It is so sad that we've come to this point. Some people just shouldnt fucking breed.

    Seriously though.. regular communication between teacher and parent seems like a good idea, but i'm not sure how much extra time teachers will have for this if it really takes hold.
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    HeidiJam wrote:
    I think it is a good idea for Teacher's job security. Teachers, especially in public schools seem to be unfairly treated since its their job to be the teacher/parent/cop/student social services/etc. yet they are not allowed to make any decisions or disipline anybody. So think grading will have a benifit the teacher.

    Its also a sad sad realization that there are parents out there who don't want the best for their children and couldn't care less about their education/health/shelter. Sadly, grading these parents will do absolutely nothing. At my wifes school teachers don't even show up for parent teach conferences to go over the progression of their child. Its doubtful they will even open up a letter addressed to them from the school. These parents don't even give their kids a bath or buy them school supplies, what make them think that once they start grading the parents that things will change???
    The teachers don't show up ? :shock:

    I like the idea of it too... I agree some parents can be pretty neglecting.
    The going to bed at a decent time is a really good point as well... Lots of people let their kids go to bed at like midnight, 1 am sort of thing and no wonder the thing can't function or is cranky as hell
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    haffajappa wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    I think it is a good idea for Teacher's job security. Teachers, especially in public schools seem to be unfairly treated since its their job to be the teacher/parent/cop/student social services/etc. yet they are not allowed to make any decisions or disipline anybody. So think grading will have a benifit the teacher.

    Its also a sad sad realization that there are parents out there who don't want the best for their children and couldn't care less about their education/health/shelter. Sadly, grading these parents will do absolutely nothing. At my wifes school teachers don't even show up for parent teach conferences to go over the progression of their child. Its doubtful they will even open up a letter addressed to them from the school. These parents don't even give their kids a bath or buy them school supplies, what make them think that once they start grading the parents that things will change???
    The teachers don't show up ? :shock:

    I like the idea of it too... I agree some parents can be pretty neglecting.
    The going to bed at a decent time is a really good point as well... Lots of people let their kids go to bed at like midnight, 1 am sort of thing and no wonder the thing can't function or is cranky as hell
    No the Parents don't show up.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    g under p wrote:
    Florida Lawmaker Wants Teachers to Grade Parents
    The grading system is based on three criteria that Stargel wrote in the legislation:

    • A child should be at school on time, prepared to learn after a good night's sleep, and have eaten a meal.

    • A child should have the homework done and prepared for examinations.

    • There should be regular communication between the parent and teacher.

    Is this a good idea or not? Now that I now live in Florida this is a passing grade I might have to deal with.

    Peace

    If this is to be a law, than they should make laws specifying that teachers MUST continue their education towards being a GOOD teacher, they should have to follow up with parents' communication, and they should take responsibility in really teaching our children, rather than just 'sliding' students by.

    This can equally go BOTH WAYS, as I've encountered bad teachers who slide by with high pay because teachers' unions allow them tenure, which allows bad teachers to keep their jobs forever, and inevitably fail our children.
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    HeidiJam wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    I think it is a good idea for Teacher's job security. Teachers, especially in public schools seem to be unfairly treated since its their job to be the teacher/parent/cop/student social services/etc. yet they are not allowed to make any decisions or disipline anybody. So think grading will have a benifit the teacher.

    Its also a sad sad realization that there are parents out there who don't want the best for their children and couldn't care less about their education/health/shelter. Sadly, grading these parents will do absolutely nothing. At my wifes school teachers don't even show up for parent teach conferences to go over the progression of their child. Its doubtful they will even open up a letter addressed to them from the school. These parents don't even give their kids a bath or buy them school supplies, what make them think that once they start grading the parents that things will change???
    The teachers don't show up ? :shock:

    I like the idea of it too... I agree some parents can be pretty neglecting.
    The going to bed at a decent time is a really good point as well... Lots of people let their kids go to bed at like midnight, 1 am sort of thing and no wonder the thing can't function or is cranky as hell
    No the Parents don't show up.
    might want to edit ;)
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Most of my friends who teach at the middle school or high school levels say parents are the problem. How did this happen?
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Many of the parents are deserving of a Failing grade.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Sometimes some parent/parents will go to all lengths and still they end up getting punished. I know this kind of thing happens quite a bit especially when you want your child to enter a particular school for it's science and technology department etc. I considered moving to the district for such a high school for my daughter but changed my mind and entered her in a pre-med academy high school in Florida.

    Mom jailed for enrolling kids in wrong school district

    Take a look at what her child was facing in her district compared to the one she tampered with. I don't blame in a way, at least she was trying to get the oppurtunity for her child.
    An Ohio mother is in jail after being convicted of tampering with records to enroll her children in a better school district.

    Kelley Williams-Bolar, 40, of Akron, illegally registered her two daughters at her father's address in suburban Copley Township to get them into the Copley-Fairlawn school district rather than the urban Akron district, a jury decided.

    The Akron City school district met only four of 26 standards on the latest Ohio Department of Education Report Card and had a 76% graduation rate. Copley-Fairlawn City Schools met 26 of 26 standards and had a 97.5% graduation rate.

    Summit County Common Pleas Judge Patricia Cosgrove sentenced Williams-Bolar last week to five years in prison, but suspended all but 10 days. Williams-Bolar also must serve 80 hours of community service and will be on probation for three years.

    The Rev. Lorenzo Glenn of Macedonia Baptist Church had asked the judge for leniency, saying he had known Williams-Bolar for more than 20 years, the Akron Beacon Journal newspaper reported.

    "This is a serious matter," Glenn said, according to the paper, "but by all means, it was done to help her children."

    Williams-Bolar told CNN affiliate WEWS-TV that she and her children considered her father's house one of their homes.

    She had 12 police reports that her house had been broken in, so what am I supposed to do? Just leave them there?" Williams said to WJW-TV. "I mean, I can protect them better if they was with me."

    Williams-Bolar, a single mother, works as a teacher's aide at a high school in Akron and is just 12 credits away from earning a teaching degree at the University of Akron, according to the Beacon Journal.

    Her felony conviction will bar her from being licensed to teach in Ohio.



    "My primary residence was both places. I stayed at both places," she said in an interview at the Summit County Jail.

    Williams-Bolar's father, Edward Williams, told CNN affiliate WJW-TV that the children did live with him, so he believed the family was within the law.

    He said his daughter's Akron neighborhood – where she lives in government-subsidized housing – isn't safe.

    This just sucks. :(

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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    g under p wrote:
    Sometimes some parent/parents will go to all lengths and still they end up getting punished. I know this kind of thing happens quite a bit especially when you want your child to enter a particular school for it's science and technology department etc. I considered moving to the district for such a high school for my daughter but changed my mind and entered her in a pre-med academy high school in Florida.

    Mom jailed for enrolling kids in wrong school district

    Take a look at what her child was facing in her district compared to the one she tampered with. I don't blame in a way, at least she was trying to get the oppurtunity for her child.
    An Ohio mother is in jail after being convicted of tampering with records to enroll her children in a better school district.

    Kelley Williams-Bolar, 40, of Akron, illegally registered her two daughters at her father's address in suburban Copley Township to get them into the Copley-Fairlawn school district rather than the urban Akron district, a jury decided.

    The Akron City school district met only four of 26 standards on the latest Ohio Department of Education Report Card and had a 76% graduation rate. Copley-Fairlawn City Schools met 26 of 26 standards and had a 97.5% graduation rate.

    Summit County Common Pleas Judge Patricia Cosgrove sentenced Williams-Bolar last week to five years in prison, but suspended all but 10 days. Williams-Bolar also must serve 80 hours of community service and will be on probation for three years.

    The Rev. Lorenzo Glenn of Macedonia Baptist Church had asked the judge for leniency, saying he had known Williams-Bolar for more than 20 years, the Akron Beacon Journal newspaper reported.

    "This is a serious matter," Glenn said, according to the paper, "but by all means, it was done to help her children."

    Williams-Bolar told CNN affiliate WEWS-TV that she and her children considered her father's house one of their homes.

    She had 12 police reports that her house had been broken in, so what am I supposed to do? Just leave them there?" Williams said to WJW-TV. "I mean, I can protect them better if they was with me."

    Williams-Bolar, a single mother, works as a teacher's aide at a high school in Akron and is just 12 credits away from earning a teaching degree at the University of Akron, according to the Beacon Journal.

    Her felony conviction will bar her from being licensed to teach in Ohio.



    "My primary residence was both places. I stayed at both places," she said in an interview at the Summit County Jail.

    Williams-Bolar's father, Edward Williams, told CNN affiliate WJW-TV that the children did live with him, so he believed the family was within the law.

    He said his daughter's Akron neighborhood – where she lives in government-subsidized housing – isn't safe.

    This just sucks. :(

    Peace
    WTF
    That is just WRONG.
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    There are as many 'bad' or 'less than average' teachers as there are parents. As Jeanwah said, it's a two-way thing.
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    redrock wrote:
    There are as many 'bad' or 'less than average' teachers as there are parents. As Jeanwah said, it's a two-way thing.
    thats true too!
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    haffajappa wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    There are as many 'bad' or 'less than average' teachers as there are parents. As Jeanwah said, it's a two-way thing.
    thats true too!

    I have seen way too many teachers go into teaching for the wrong reasons (long holidays, etc.). That's what they see, thinking it will be a doddle once the first year is done (then you have all your lessons plans ready - though often they 'inherit' them from other teachers). Teaching, like nursing, is a vocation - not 'just' a job.
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    redrock wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    There are as many 'bad' or 'less than average' teachers as there are parents. As Jeanwah said, it's a two-way thing.
    thats true too!

    I have seen way too many teachers go into teaching for the wrong reasons (long holidays, etc.). That's what they see, thinking it will be a doddle once the first year is done (then you have all your lessons plans ready - though often they 'inherit' them from other teachers). Teaching, like nursing, is a vocation - not 'just' a job.
    My mom spends hours upon hours creating her own worksheets, she goes to a coffee shop every morning before class for 2 or 3 hours to work on prep for her class ... she's so dedicated. :shock:

    Needless to say lazy teachers were not tolerated throughout my brother and I's education.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I was wondering if anyone would see my point (thanks redrock :) )

    As a parent, I was pretty unhappy when, at my daughter's parent-teacher conference, her 2nd grade homeroom teacher tells me, amid all of the other teachers / therapists there (my daughter is special ed. mainstreamed with PT, OT and Speech therapy) that she doesn't really do much with my daughter and pretty much dismissed me, even though this woman teaches my daughter social studies and science. So I just want to bring to light that parents are not the only problem. Bad teachers are also the problem. How do I communicate with a teacher when she/he refuses to communicate with me?
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I was wondering if anyone would see my point (thanks redrock :) )
    Whilste there are a number of committed teachers (haffajappa's mom, for example), there are just as many that are poor teachers. I've worked in schools for a good number of years (anywhere from SEN learning assistant, to teaching French to Office Manager) and it was a huge eye opener and I viewed all my daughter's teachers with a very critical eye...
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    redrock wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I was wondering if anyone would see my point (thanks redrock :) )
    Whilste there are a number of committed teachers (haffajappa's mom, for example), there are just as many that are poor teachers.

    You're right, there are many teachers out there that are fantastic. I think because the general concensus think that parents are mostly to blame, teachers who are not performing up to par isn't as obvious.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    What is the appeal to become a teacher these days?

    Pay? Dealing with parents? Dealing with the bureaucracy of the school and the school system? Trying to tell students how important an education is while their students only care about Facebook and Jersey Shore?

    Teachers should be paid double what they are, and they should be held to higher standards and held accountable for the performance of their students.

    Our education system is failing and we do nothing about it except for point fingers while we should be looking in the mirror.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    whygohome wrote:
    What is the appeal to become a teacher these days?.

    As I said, teaching should be viewed as a vocation, like nursing, social care, etc. Not as a job with lots of vacation. A lot of student teachers/new teachers really don't know what hits them once they get in the classroom. Maybe it's a reflection on teacher training? I believe their expectations should be better managed and realistic. Naturally, each school, each class, each age group is different. Being a good teacher is difficult but can be very fulfilling.
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    whygohome wrote:
    What is the appeal to become a teacher these days?

    Pay? Dealing with parents? Dealing with the bureaucracy of the school and the school system? Trying to tell students how important an education is while their students only care about Facebook and Jersey Shore?

    Teachers should be paid double what they are, and they should be held to higher standards and held accountable for the performance of their students.

    Our education system is failing and we do nothing about it except for point fingers while we should be looking in the mirror.
    Summers off I think is a big draw.
    Also it seems like the easy back up plan if you don't know what you want to do in university (like me, its my back up plan... but I also have a part time teaching job to get thru university, so i do enjoy it)

    I think this can be detrimental though, I certainly hear a lot of people who do it because they don't know what else to do... And I obviously can't blame them ... but if they ARE going to do it, they should at elast do the job right!
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    whygohome wrote:
    What is the appeal to become a teacher these days?

    Pay? Dealing with parents? Dealing with the bureaucracy of the school and the school system? Trying to tell students how important an education is while their students only care about Facebook and Jersey Shore?

    Teachers should be paid double what they are, and they should be held to higher standards and held accountable for the performance of their students.

    Our education system is failing and we do nothing about it except for point fingers while we should be looking in the mirror.

    Education should be taken away from the government.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    know1 wrote:
    whygohome wrote:
    What is the appeal to become a teacher these days?

    Pay? Dealing with parents? Dealing with the bureaucracy of the school and the school system? Trying to tell students how important an education is while their students only care about Facebook and Jersey Shore?

    Teachers should be paid double what they are, and they should be held to higher standards and held accountable for the performance of their students.

    Our education system is failing and we do nothing about it except for point fingers while we should be looking in the mirror.

    Education should be taken away from the government.

    I don't disagree, but what are you advocating? State Departments of Education?
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