Why no Hard to Imagine on the Vs. and Vitalogy remasters?

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  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    MK88178 wrote:
    All though I am not overally excited about the extras that are being discussed, there is still hope due to the fact the PJ's camp has not released anything yet.


    That is my hope as well. We haven't heard directly from the band yet about any of this. That said, it seems like they have a tendency to disappoint and not necessarily include what the masses want. ie...Drop in the Park and MTV Unplugged being incomplete. I will say that if it is coming out shortly and it's on Amazon, the band is probably 100% sure what is going on the discs so why won't they just tell us.
  • joely_91
    joely_91 Posts: 795
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    MK88178 wrote:
    All though I am not overally excited about the extras that are being discussed, there is still hope due to the fact the PJ's camp has not released anything yet.


    That is my hope as well. We haven't heard directly from the band yet about any of this. That said, it seems like they have a tendency to disappoint and not necessarily include what the masses want. ie...Drop in the Park and MTV Unplugged being incomplete. I will say that if it is coming out shortly and it's on Amazon, the band is probably 100% sure what is going on the discs so why won't they just tell us.

    this here is the perfect reason why no one should ever get their hopes up.... we all have these expectations about what the band could do....and what they will do... and then everyone is going to complain anyway... it's always a never ending cycle.... the next thing will be that the festival thing might not live up to expectations....dont people get tired of complaining?
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  • RedMosquito22
    RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    evenflow82 wrote:
    I'm not bitching, but just wondering about why it isn't included (if the early tracklist is correct). It was in the running to be included on the original tracklist for Vs. and Vitalogy and is a fantastic song. Thoughts....

    When it's officially announce on this website is when I believe what the actual track list is.
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  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    joely_91 wrote:
    this here is the perfect reason why no one should ever get their hopes up.... we all have these expectations about what the band could do....and what they will do... and then everyone is going to complain anyway... it's always a never ending cycle.... the next thing will be that the festival thing might not live up to expectations....dont people get tired of complaining?


    I agree 100%
  • Pjdreamer
    Pjdreamer Posts: 319
    hard to imagine originally came out on the chicago cab soundtrack.
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  • youngster
    youngster Boston Posts: 6,576
    Well if what has been reported is true and the Boston Orpheum show in 1994 is included in the set, Hard to Imagine is in the first set of that show. As for the studio version, Lost Dogs and Chicago Cab have that covered like most of you said.
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  • hrd2imgn
    hrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,924
    regarding mystery....it is not Pearl jam, see below

    http://www.theporch.org/misc/faq.html#5.2

    5.2 On the Mookie Blaylock bootleg, there are 2 songs (Mystery and Hold your Head Up) that doesn't sound like Pearl Jam. What gives?

    Well, it's because the lead vocals are by other people. Hold your Head up is a Mother Love Bone cover. Mystery is by Blind Horse (according to the Release 'zine). Some people have also maintained that the lead vocals on Mystery is Shawn Smith, who is in Stone Gossard's other side band, Brad and also in the band Satchel.
  • choop
    choop Posts: 1,060
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Maybe because you can already get both versions on Lost Dogs and Chicago Cab soundtrack?

    Hold On is also on Lost Dogs, but is listed on the tracklisting, so thats not a valid reason for the exclusion of another song
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    choop wrote:
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Maybe because you can already get both versions on Lost Dogs and Chicago Cab soundtrack?

    Hold On is also on Lost Dogs, but is listed on the tracklisting, so thats not a valid reason for the exclusion of another song
    They are probably going to use the original version of Hold On. The version on Lost Dogs had Ed's vocals re-recorded.


    It's sad that I know these thing. :?
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,608
    I wouldn't mind them putting the Chicago Cab version on there. Didn't they also do one for the No Code sessions?
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  • surforia
    surforia SoCal Posts: 352
    ^The Chicago Cab version of HTI is soooo much better than the one they put on Lost Dogs. Is the Chicago Cab version from the Vs. or Vitalogy sessions?
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  • ceska
    ceska New York Posts: 1,137
    It sounds like most people here already have these tunes, so why does it matter if they make it onto the re-release or not? I have no interest in buying re-releases. I've already made my own mix CDs from the albums and assorted outtakes that have trickled out over the years. My Vs. Includes the album plus:
    Hard To Imagine, Alone (b-side), Whipping ("demo"), Sonic Reducer, Elderly Woman acoustic, Hold On, Crazy Mary, Angel, and I am a Patriot (BSB '92).

    RE: Hold On. The Lost Dogs liner note state it was from the Vs. sessions, yet it was produced by Rick Parashar. He produced Ten. Brendan O' Brien produced Vs. Doesn't that make Hold On a Ten outtake?
  • thefin190
    thefin190 Posts: 918
    Does anyone know if a Vs. Demo for Betterman exists? I know that in the earlier versions of Betterman, it had a different arrangement with the drums in the first chorus and what not. I'd like to hear what a studio version of it would sound like.
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  • Ledbetterdays
    Ledbetterdays Round Rock, Texas Posts: 556
    There are supposed to be three or four different demos of Betterman from 1993 during the Vs. sessions. This site can answer most people's questions on when things were recorded.

    http://www.pearljamonline.it/rs.htm
    thefin190 wrote:
    Does anyone know if a Vs. Demo for Betterman exists? I know that in the earlier versions of Betterman, it had a different arrangement with the drums in the first chorus and what not. I'd like to hear what a studio version of it would sound like.
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  • RedMosquito22
    RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    edited February 2011
    To be perfectly honest, we haven't received any official word on what is actually on the re-issues. This is basically all speculation. However I don't think there were many other songs recorded during this time anyway so I'm pretty sure it's probably right.

    The newer albums are where there are a ton of tracks left off the albums.
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  • thefin190
    thefin190 Posts: 918
    Ledbetterdays wrote:
    There are supposed to be three or four different demos of Betterman from 1993 during the Vs. sessions. This site can answer most people's questions on when things were recorded.

    http://www.pearljamonline.it/rs.htm
    thefin190 wrote:
    Does anyone know if a Vs. Demo for Betterman exists? I know that in the earlier versions of Betterman, it had a different arrangement with the drums in the first chorus and what not. I'd like to hear what a studio version of it would sound like.

    Thanks man. I hope they do include an earlier version of the song from the Vs sessions, despite the rumors hinting otherwise.
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