Mother Nature

shadowcast

Great photo's

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... years.html

eyedclaar

Nice! For a second, I thought this might be some kind of anti-mother nature thread and I was preparing to rip that flimsy proboscis right off your little mozzie face!

I’m all better now…

shadowcast

eyedclaar wrote:

Nice! For a second, I thought this might be some kind of anti-mother nature thread and I was preparing to rip that flimsy proboscis right off your little mozzie face!

I’m all better now…

HA!!! Probosics- I had to look that up!!!

nuffingman

Great photos. Volcanoes, floods, tsunamis, earthquakes... they make us realise just how insignificant we are.

Blockhead

nuffingman wrote:

Great photos. Volcanoes, floods, tsunamis, earthquakes... they make us realise just how insignificant we are.

:roll: I am pretty sure man caused that... Its called Climate Change...

polaris_x

HeidiJam wrote:

:roll: I am pretty sure man caused that... Its called Climate Change...

i guess god is responsible for everything ... volcanoes, earthquakes, flooding ... man can't possibly have any influence ... :?

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

:roll: I am pretty sure man caused that... Its called Climate Change...

i guess god is responsible for everything ... volcanoes, earthquakes, flooding ... man can't possibly have any influence ... :?

Isn't that your answer for every natural disaster??? MAN, MAN, MAN... No god is not responsible for anything, I don't see what that has to do with anything. But you do know these kinds of disasters were happening before man ever stepped foot on this earth, don't you???

polaris_x

HeidiJam wrote:

Isn't that your answer for every natural disaster??? MAN, MAN, MAN... No god is not responsible for anything, I don't see what that has to do with anything. But you do know these kinds of disasters were happening before man ever stepped foot on this earth, don't you???

soo ... because there was a flood before there was man - man cannot influence the occurence of floods ...

is that your understanding?

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Isn't that your answer for every natural disaster??? MAN, MAN, MAN... No god is not responsible for anything, I don't see what that has to do with anything. But you do know these kinds of disasters were happening before man ever stepped foot on this earth, don't you???

soo ... because there was a flood before there was man - man cannot influence the occurence of floods ...

is that your understanding?

Nope, your the one linking every natural disaster to man with out any proof. Show me one disaster that has been linked directly to man.

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Isn't that your answer for every natural disaster??? MAN, MAN, MAN... No god is not responsible for anything, I don't see what that has to do with anything. But you do know these kinds of disasters were happening before man ever stepped foot on this earth, don't you???

soo ... because there was a flood before there was man - man cannot influence the occurence of floods ...

is that your understanding?

Man is better at preventing floods through civil engineering projects. There is documentation to support that.

As for influencing floods, I think COBRA tried this once but they ended up getting stopped by the Joe's.

Blockhead

Jason P wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Isn't that your answer for every natural disaster??? MAN, MAN, MAN... No god is not responsible for anything, I don't see what that has to do with anything. But you do know these kinds of disasters were happening before man ever stepped foot on this earth, don't you???

soo ... because there was a flood before there was man - man cannot influence the occurence of floods ...

is that your understanding?

Man is better at preventing floods through civil engineering projects. There is documentation to support that.

As for influencing floods, I think COBRA tried this once but they ended up getting stopped by the Joe's.

REAL AMERICAN HERO'S!

polaris_x

HeidiJam wrote:

Nope, your the one linking every natural disaster to man with out any proof. Show me one disaster that has been linked directly to man.

first of all - i've never linked every disaster to man ... the fact you think i have is a clear indication that you have not really been reading the words i type ...

again - i ask ... do you believe that man cannot contribute to natural disasters either through cause or impact? ... what is your assertation if you mock the notion that global warming could have caused some events? ...

what is your point in saying there were natural disasters before man other than to say that man can not influence disasters?

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

Man is better at preventing floods through civil engineering projects. There is documentation to support that.

As for influencing floods, I think COBRA tried this once but they ended up getting stopped by the Joe's.

man is also responsible for the catostrophic consequences of flooding by building in flood plains, destroying natural barriers like mangroves and impacting existing watersheds ...

i guess ultimately, we are talking about excessive rainfalls ... sure, if all the water from such a rainfall could be diverted - we wouldn't have floods ... but that is not necessarily reasonable everywhere in the world ...

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Nope, your the one linking every natural disaster to man with out any proof. Show me one disaster that has been linked directly to man.

first of all - i've never linked every disaster to man ... the fact you think i have is a clear indication that you have not really been reading the words i type ...

again - i ask ... do you believe that man cannot contribute to natural disasters either through cause or impact? ... what is your assertation if you mock the notion that global warming could have caused some events? ...

what is your point in saying there were natural disasters before man other than to say that man can not influence disasters?

Man's actions today, I do not think that they can cause/contribute to natural disasters today, Now in years and years to come yes/possibly. But I don't think todays weather patterns and disasters have anything to do with man. Future, yes I can see the contribution. I mock AGW because after every single event that a disaster someone links it to humans... I think we are a long ways from that. Hell that volcano eruption has probably produced more toxin to the enviroment then we ever have. My point of saying that about natural disasters was because i have seen some on here (maybe you, or not, I can't remember) think that when an event like this happens that its due to human activity. Natural disasters have happend before us, and will happen after us, we may contribute alot, a little, but we certinly can NOT stop natural disasters like this volcano that harm the enviroment.

polaris_x

HeidiJam wrote:

Man's actions today, I do not think that they can cause/contribute to natural disasters today, Now in years and years to come yes/possibly. But I don't think todays weather patterns and disasters have anything to do with man. Future, yes I can see the contribution. I mock AGW because after every single event that a disaster someone links it to humans... I think we are a long ways from that. Hell that volcano eruption has probably produced more toxin to the enviroment then we ever have. My point of saying that about natural disasters was because i have seen some on here (maybe you, or not, I can't remember) think that when an event like this happens that its due to human activity. Natural disasters have happend before us, and will happen after us, we may contribute alot, a little, but we certinly can NOT stop natural disasters like this volcano that harm the enviroment.

ok ... in the first sentence you say that you don't think we can cause/contribute to natural disasters and in the last you say we may contribute alot or a little ... which is it?

would you say drought is a natural disaster?

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Man's actions today, I do not think that they can cause/contribute to natural disasters today, Now in years and years to come yes/possibly. But I don't think todays weather patterns and disasters have anything to do with man. Future, yes I can see the contribution. I mock AGW because after every single event that a disaster someone links it to humans... I think we are a long ways from that. Hell that volcano eruption has probably produced more toxin to the enviroment then we ever have. My point of saying that about natural disasters was because i have seen some on here (maybe you, or not, I can't remember) think that when an event like this happens that its due to human activity. Natural disasters have happend before us, and will happen after us, we may contribute alot, a little, but we certinly can NOT stop natural disasters like this volcano that harm the enviroment.

ok ... in the first sentence you say that you don't think we can cause/contribute to natural disasters and in the last you say we may contribute alot or a little ... which is it?

would you say drought is a natural disaster?

Try reading all the words. In the first sentence i said mans actions today, I do not think that they can cause/contribute to natural disasters today. Meaning the weather we are having today, snow/rain ect, I don't think we are having an effect on that, but weather in the future, yes/possibly.

polaris_x

HeidiJam wrote:

Try reading all the words. In the first sentence i said mans actions today, I do not think that they can cause/contribute to natural disasters today. Meaning the weather we are having today, snow/rain ect, I don't think we are having an effect on that, but weather in the future, yes/possibly.

then what does this mean? ... we are talking natural disasters ... just as you wrote ...

Natural disasters have happend before us, and will happen after us, we may contribute alot, a little, but we certinly can NOT stop natural disasters like this volcano that harm the enviroment

again ... do you think drought is a natural disaster?

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Try reading all the words. In the first sentence i said mans actions today, I do not think that they can cause/contribute to natural disasters today. Meaning the weather we are having today, snow/rain ect, I don't think we are having an effect on that, but weather in the future, yes/possibly.

then what does this mean? ... we are talking natural disasters ... just as you wrote ...

Natural disasters have happend before us, and will happen after us, we may contribute alot, a little, but we certinly can NOT stop natural disasters like this volcano that harm the enviroment

again ... do you think drought is a natural disaster?

I guess so, i would think the only things with droughts are is you never really know how bad they will be. Since they are dependant on rainfall.

polaris_x

HeidiJam wrote:

I guess so, i would think the only things with droughts are is you never really know how bad they will be. Since they are dependant on rainfall.

read up on the causes of drought ...

you will see that deforestation, over-farming, over-development are causes of drought ... not the only ones but can and have contributed and/or exascerbated the effects of drought ... consider the Gobi desert - a desert that is considered to be man-made ... a desert is essentially an environment that is in drought ...

so ... my point is man CAN cause natural disasters ... our influence of nature is impactful and consequential ...

shadowcast

I just wanted to post some cool pictures of a Volcano.

I have debated with polaris_x and I respect his/her opinion (which one is it BTW). Polais_x is a feisty one so watch out!!! (notice I did the green smiley for you)

polaris_x

shadowcast wrote:

I just wanted to post some cool pictures of a Volcano.

I have debated with polaris_x and I respect his/her opinion (which one is it BTW). Polais_x is a feisty one so watch out!!! (notice I did the green smiley for you)

hahaha ... as i've said before ... i am a male with some female sensibilities! ...

haffajappa

Mother nature's annnnggggryy

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

I guess so, i would think the only things with droughts are is you never really know how bad they will be. Since they are dependant on rainfall.

read up on the causes of drought ...

you will see that deforestation, over-farming, over-development are causes of drought ... not the only ones but can and have contributed and/or exascerbated the effects of drought ... consider the Gobi desert - a desert that is considered to be man-made ... a desert is essentially an environment that is in drought ...

so ... my point is man CAN cause natural disasters ... our influence of nature is impactful and consequential ...

But man is not the only cause of deforestation...
You point should be thatman can CONTRIBUTE to some natural disasters.

Jason P

shadowcast wrote:

I just wanted to post some cool pictures of a Volcano.

I have debated with polaris_x and I respect his/her opinion (which one is it BTW). Polais_x is a feisty one so watch out!!! (notice I did the green smiley for you)

Anything posted in this forum could lead to passionate debate.

polaris_x

HeidiJam wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

read up on the causes of drought ...

you will see that deforestation, over-farming, over-development are causes of drought ... not the only ones but can and have contributed and/or exascerbated the effects of drought ... consider the Gobi desert - a desert that is considered to be man-made ... a desert is essentially an environment that is in drought ...

so ... my point is man CAN cause natural disasters ... our influence of nature is impactful and consequential ...

But man is not the only cause of deforestation...
You point should be thatman can CONTRIBUTE to some natural disasters.

i assume you mean that man is not the only cause of drought ... as man is the primary reason for deforestation ...

in any case - i bolded for you where i indicated that man wasn't the only cause of drought ... i hope you would reconsider your viewpoint that man's actions can not contribute to natural disasters ...

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

read up on the causes of drought ...

you will see that deforestation, over-farming, over-development are causes of drought ... not the only ones but can and have contributed and/or exascerbated the effects of drought ... consider the Gobi desert - a desert that is considered to be man-made ... a desert is essentially an environment that is in drought ...

so ... my point is man CAN cause natural disasters ... our influence of nature is impactful and consequential ...

But man is not the only cause of deforestation...
You point should be thatman can CONTRIBUTE to some natural disasters.

i assume you mean that man is not the only cause of drought ... as man is the primary reason for deforestation ...

in any case - i bolded for you where i indicated that man wasn't the only cause of drought ... i hope you would reconsider your viewpoint that man's actions can not contribute to natural disasters ...

So far we have covered Droughts... What are the other natural disasters, especially the one that outputs more toxin than we ever could (ie volcanos)

lukin2006

Nice pictures

polaris_x

HeidiJam wrote:

So far we have covered Droughts... What are the other natural disasters, especially the one that outputs more toxin than we ever could (ie volcanos)

i would say volcanoes are least affected by man ... earthquakes not so much either although seismic activity can be influenced by drilling and mining operations ... as for floods - well, you'd have to believe in the science to understand man's contribution to flooding - but we already know where you stand on that ...

so ... do you believe in the impacts volcanic ash can have in terms of weather and respiratory illnesses?

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

So far we have covered Droughts... What are the other natural disasters, especially the one that outputs more toxin than we ever could (ie volcanos)

i would say volcanoes are least affected by man ... earthquakes not so much either although seismic activity can be influenced by drilling and mining operations ... as for floods - well, you'd have to believe in the science to understand man's contribution to flooding - but we already know where you stand on that ...

so ... do you believe in the impacts volcanic ash can have in terms of weather and respiratory illnesses?

yup

Jeanwah

Great pictures.

polaris_x

HeidiJam wrote:

yup

interesting ... the science behind global warming works the same way ...