drug testing for food stamps?

Blockhead

FiveB247x wrote:

I completely understand that but we're all still waiting for you to provide some fact to the generalizations you're making.

Also, I find it rather funny that you and many other who are so fiscally responsible for others go nutty bout issues like this, but don't seem to rant and rave about the other significant areas of tax payer dollars which are massively corrupt. Campaign finance, wars and military budgets, lobbying, poor tax laws, people (not poor) living outside of their income level (hint: housing bubble) and the dozens and dozens of areas. But I guess it's just all the minorities and immigrants stealing our tax funds? .. and if we'd fix this one area, the rest will just fall in place and be magically better? It's very, very flawed and misguided blame in a society full of gross misconduct and corruption. It's like handing out a parking meter ticket while ignoring to stop a gunman on a mass murder rampage right in front of you. How's that for a image?

HeidiJam wrote:

You seem to have a hard time understanding that they are recieving Tax Payers Money to live...

What generalizations have I made???
How would you know what I do and don't go nutty over concerning my taxes??? Thats a nice generalization right there... So your thought process is, since its all corrupt, let not fix anything???

FiveB247x

You have generalized about the number of people on assistance and on drugs - the crux of your argument is very flawed because of this. Please provide some data backing up this fact. When you do that, I'll be more than happy to correct any of my comments if I am wrong, but until that, you are vastly generalizing on these topics.

And if your real concern is cleaning up corruption or drug use in society, the first place you would begin, would not be assistance programs, it would be something much, much larger where you could have access to a much greater percentage of the population, not a smaller aspect of it. The fact that you're fixated on such a small group, makes it very obvious your bias and over-generalizations are the reason for your belief, not the facts and certainly not to curb corruption or stop drug use in general.

HeidiJam wrote:

What generalizations have I made???
How would you know what I do and don't go nutty over concerning my taxes??? Thats a nice generalization right there... So your thought process is, since its all corrupt, let not fix anything???

Blockhead

FiveB247x wrote:

You have generalized about the number of people on assistance and on drugs - the crux of your argument is very flawed because of this. Please provide some data backing up this fact. When you do that, I'll be more than happy to correct any of my comments if I am wrong, but until that, you are vastly generalizing on these topics.

And if your real concern is cleaning up corruption or drug use in society, the first place you would begin, would not be assistance programs, it would be something much, much larger where you could have access to a much greater percentage of the population, not a smaller aspect of it. The fact that you're fixated on such a small group, makes it very obvious your bias and over-generalizations are the reason for your belief, not the facts and certainly not to curb corruption or stop drug use in general.

HeidiJam wrote:

What generalizations have I made???
How would you know what I do and don't go nutty over concerning my taxes??? Thats a nice generalization right there... So your thought process is, since its all corrupt, let not fix anything???

THen please compare the military budget to welfare budget for me... Since you brought up military...

FiveB247x

I don't have to compare anything - you're the one claiming such a mandatory testing be done. I merely pointed out there's plenty of of areas in tax payer funds that misuse and misappropriate funds. Even with that stated, please provide data making your point valid - when you do that, I'll be more than happy to retract my comments and say you're right.

HeidiJam wrote:

THen please compare the military budget to welfare budget for me... Since you brought up military...

Blockhead

FiveB247x wrote:

I don't have to compare anything - you're the one claiming such a mandatory testing be done. I merely pointed out there's plenty of of areas in tax payer funds that misuse and misappropriate funds. Even with that stated, please provide data making your point valid - when you do that, I'll be more than happy to retract my comments and say you're right.

HeidiJam wrote:

THen please compare the military budget to welfare budget for me... Since you brought up military...

Sorry man but your the one who brought up the military... I am not going to do your work for you, anyways, we all benefit from defense spending, no tax payer benefits from welfare spending.

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HeidiJam wrote:

no tax payer benefits from welfare spending.

Bullshit.

FiveB247x

Man it's funny how you're trying to turn the tables and conversation on me here huh. I used the military as an example.. you don't like it fine so be it. How bout we get back to topic? We're all still waiting for you to show us data proving or showing some that people on assistance are drug abusers enough to warrant some type of testing to get the assistance. If you can't prove this the rest of your comments about this topic are a moot point and generalization. Go ahead, prove us all wrong.. I'll be waiting.

Also, if this connection is as easily and widespread as you claim it to be, it should be rather easy to find some links or stories about this topic and prove yourself correct.

HeidiJam wrote:

Sorry man but your the one who brought up the military... I am not going to do your work for you, anyways, we all benefit from defense spending, no tax payer benefits from welfare spending.

Kat

Everyone's keeping their cool in here while discussing this topic, right?

FiveB247x

I'm cool. How you doin Kat? Having a good Friday? Getting ready to send me some sweet PJ weekend news?

Kat wrote:

Everyone's keeping their cool in here while discussing this topic, right?

KDH12

Godfather. wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

this a cut and paste e-mail that was flying around....????

Godfather.


You think the war in Iraq was costing
us too much? Read this:

We have been hammered with the
propaganda that it was the Iraq war and
the war on terror that is bankrupting us.





1.
$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare
to illegal aliens each year by state governments.

Verify
at: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?p ... enters7fd8 <http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8&gt;


2.
$22 Billion dollars a year is spent on food
assistance programs such as food stamps,
WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

Verify
at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML <http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML&gt;


3.
$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on
Medicaid for illegal aliens.

Verify at:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML <http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML&gt;


4.
$12 Billion dollars a year is spent on
primary and secondary school education
for children here illegally and they
cannot speak a word of English!

Verify
at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/ ... dt..0.HTML <http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt..0.HTML&gt;


5.
$17 Billion dollars a year is spent for
education for the American-born
children of illegal aliens, known as
anchor babies.

Verify
at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/ ... dt.01.HTML <http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML&gt;


The total cost is a whopping
$ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS
A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME,
HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING
THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS
$338,300,000,000.00 WHICH
WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE
THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF
THIS COUNTRY.

I took some numbers out because I did not want to quote it the whole thing

but they seem high 350 billion a year, not sure about that plus since we have no idea how many illegal citizens there are it is kinda hard to how much they cost the government...... they are estimates at best.


on a another note, if this legislation passed.... what would they do about alcohol, grandpa's cough syrup is probably the worst of all the drugs and very destructive to the family unit... and legal

what I was thinking was the money issue, if those numbers are correct even with in 20 to 25% give or take thats a butt load of money...per year !

Godfather.

might be a butt load as you call it but 25% of the number would be less than 100 billion a drop in the bucket

what some don't realize is that the cost of not providing all those services is greater what it is hard to understanding the savings in those terms

it is kinda like complaining about having to get regular oil changes but if you didn't the cost of having to replace your engine would be far greater