2010 hits global temperature high

Blockhead

"i challenge you to produce to us one peer-reviewed scientific article that proves that global warming is not caused by man ... sure, it's muddled when you allow yourself to be roped in by PR firms and pro-oil lobby groups ... but all it takes is about 23 minutes of reading and the ability to think critically to see that global warming is real and is caused by man ..." Polaris_x


http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/1 ... rting.html
Here is a Link to about 1,000 peer reviewed scientific articlies. again - educate yourself on the science and don't make it about gov't and sides ... that is my point ... you say you don't want to commit to a viewpoint without knowing 100 percent ... well, go and read about it and don't get your information from sources that are trustworthy ...

lukin2006

Went for a 90 minute walk this morning -21 with the wind chill, I don't think I'm experiencing any warming trend my way .

Jeanwah

polaris_x wrote:

noooooooooo!!

i can't bear the typical responses that are sure to follow! ... :?

Yep, you were right about that Polaris...

Blockhead

Jeanwah wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

noooooooooo!!

i can't bear the typical responses that are sure to follow! ... :?

Yep, you were right about that Polaris...

Wow you are a fast reader, You read all those peer reviewed articles that dispute AWG... :roll:
Climate change / Global warming is like a religion, you guys don't even acknowledge the science that disagrees with you...

mikepegg44

lukin2006 wrote:

Went for a 90 minute walk this morning -21 with the wind chill, I don't think I'm experiencing any warming trend my way .

minnesota??? if so I feel your pain, had a pond hockey game this morning...brutal to say the least,

mikepegg44

polaris_x wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

not to push, but you did ignore my edit, why should I believe either side as gospel truth when both have done and more than likely will continue to do things poorly at times... it is hard for someone like me to be okay with having government involvement in something that I am not a hundred percent sure we can control. I certainly think that R-R-R is a great way to live and I practice it daily, but I am not going to force that way of life on someone until it can be shown that they are violating the human rights of others by continuing to live that way. I don't know.

i don't think i ignored your edit ... i think i addressed in my post ...

if you want to believe both sides are doing things poorly then there is nothing i can do ... similarily - if your personal bias is to be anti-government and you feel like this issue is all about gov't control - it is a huge barrier to overcome ...

again - educate yourself on the science and don't make it about gov't and sides ... that is my point ... you say you don't want to commit to a viewpoint without knowing 100 percent ... well, go and read about it and don't get your information from sources that are trustworthy ...

It isn't even that I am anti-government, which I think we all know I am, it is that I am just not sure how much of an effect we can have on reversing the trend...I have tried to read, and what I have found is information saying how one thing is a hoax and how some people cannot seem to understand why others think it is a hoax...The earth was flat, the sun revolved around the earth...blah blah blah...science can be wrong, I don't even really care if science is right here, I am more worried about drastically changing the lives of Americans in the name of reversing a process that we may not be able to have control over. Even if we do it, who is to say that China/india/other developing nations who cannot afford to change from fossil fuels right now will follow suit...taxing carbon output is a money grab...it will do nothing to solve the problem...***edited for grammar**** I guess I am as distrustful of government as you are of the scientists that disagree with climatologists

lukin2006

mikepegg44 wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Went for a 90 minute walk this morning -21 with the wind chill, I don't think I'm experiencing any warming trend my way .

minnesota??? if so I feel your pain, had a pond hockey game this morning...brutal to say the least,

You're not feeling the global warming yet either. With the exception of the odd day we've been below freezing for about 5-6 weeks, give or take.

polaris_x

HeidiJam wrote:

Heres another peer reviewed link containing all the science. Sorry buddy but I see no consensis that you speak of... Where did you get your climate science degree from?
http://www.ecd.bnl.gov/steve/pubs/HeatCapacity.pdf

another? ... you haven't produced one yet ...

again - where does this article say global warming is not caused by man? ... are you just gonna copy and paste links that don't answer the question?

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Went for a 90 minute walk this morning -21 with the wind chill, I don't think I'm experiencing any warming trend my way .

i will assume you are joking ...

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Heres another peer reviewed link containing all the science. Sorry buddy but I see no consensis that you speak of... Where did you get your climate science degree from?
http://www.ecd.bnl.gov/steve/pubs/HeatCapacity.pdf

another? ... you haven't produced one yet ...

again - where does this article say global warming is not caused by man? ... are you just gonna copy and paste links that don't answer the question?

I just posted a thousand...

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

You're not feeling the global warming yet either. With the exception of the odd day we've been below freezing for about 5-6 weeks, give or take.

oh jeez ... you weren't ... more proof you guys don't really understand global warming ...

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

You're not feeling the global warming yet either. With the exception of the odd day we've been below freezing for about 5-6 weeks, give or take.

oh jeez ... you weren't ... more proof you guys don't really understand global warming ...

As soon as you basically said you have trust of the government and them supplying grant money to researchers you lost your credibility with me. Who the hell trust the government these days, really.

whygohome

Global Warming/Climate Change and "green" energy is just liberal, hippie propaganda................I almost made it all the way through typing that statement without laughing.

The earth is a living thing. It ages. However, I feel that its aging process is cyclical, unlike that of a human being's. The earth warms, it freezes, and then it warms again; sea levels rise, glaciers form, glaciers melt. To understand this process is beyond the comprehension, or the discipline (in terms of reading about it/studying the subject) of most people.
Now, human activity is simply speeding up this process. We are at the end of an Ice Age, and human activity is warming the planet and hastening the melting of the caps, among other things.

Here is my analogy:
If a man starts smoking at 20, then by 40 he will have the lungs of a 60 year old. Human activity is the cigarette, the lungs are the planet Earth. We are simply speeding up the process that I tried best to articulate earlier in my post. We are aging the planet.

"Think Globally, Act Locally" - the detrimental effects of man's actions can best be seen on the local scale, not the global scale. Look around and you will see.

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Went for a 90 minute walk this morning -21 with the wind chill, I don't think I'm experiencing any warming trend my way .

i will assume you are joking ...

No actually I'm not joking -21 with the windchill, unless my local weather man has his facts wrong it's -21 with the wind chill. Matter of fact been home for about 2, just defrosting now .

polaris_x

HeidiJam wrote:

I just posted a thousand...

i went through your list ... the first few i don't have access to the pdf ... many of the other ones are all published by the same journal Energy and Environment

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title= ... nvironment

this journal is not part of the ISI listing of peer reviewed journals because they do not adhere to the guidelines most journals operate by ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISI_Web_of_Knowledge

look - i know, you just google ... global warming is a myth ... and you copy and paste everything ... it's pretty obvious you have not read any of the articles in the link you posted because you have yet to debate the actual science ... if you would just spend a fraction of that time learning about it - we wouldn't be doing this over and over again ...

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

As soon as you basically said you have trust of the government and them supplying grant money to researchers you lost your credibility with me. Who the hell trust the government these days, really.

soo ... you are basically saying (like before) you don't trust any scientists ... which is fine because it basically means you have no opinion on the matter except you don't trust scientists ...

what is also means is that you can't really say with any authority that it does or doesn't exists because you have no foundation for it ... posting an article by a "scientist" saying it doesn't exist but at the same time saying you don't believe in them is contradictory isn't it?

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

I just posted a thousand...

i went through your list ... the first few i don't have access to the pdf ... many of the other ones are all published by the same journal Energy and Environment

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title= ... nvironment

this journal is not part of the ISI listing of peer reviewed journals because they do not adhere to the guidelines most journals operate by ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISI_Web_of_Knowledge

look - i know, you just google ... global warming is a myth ... and you copy and paste everything ... it's pretty obvious you have not read any of the articles in the link you posted because you have yet to debate the actual science ... if you would just spend a fraction of that time learning about it - we wouldn't be doing this over and over again ...

Energy & Environment is a peer-reviewed interdisciplinary scholarly journal (ISSN: 0958-305X)
- Indexed in Compendex, EBSCO, Environment Abstracts, Google Scholar, JournalSeek and Scopus
- Found at 149 libraries and universities worldwide in print and electronic form. These include; Cambridge University, Cornell University, British Library, Dartmouth College, Library of Congress, National Library of Australia, Ohio University, Pennsylvania State University, Rutgers University, University of California, University of Delaware, University of Oxford, University of Virginia, and MIT.
- EBSCO lists Energy & Environment as a peer-reviewed academic journal (PDF)
- Scopus lists Energy & Environment as a peer-reviewed journal (XLS)
- "All Multi-Sciences primary journals are fully refereed" - Multi-Science Publishing
- "Regular issues include submitted and invited papers that are rigorously peer reviewed" - E&E Mission Statement
- "E&E, by the way, is peer reviewed" - Tom Wigley, Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)

mikepegg44

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

You're not feeling the global warming yet either. With the exception of the odd day we've been below freezing for about 5-6 weeks, give or take.

oh jeez ... you weren't ... more proof you guys don't really understand global warming ...

i understand the idea of climate change...i realize it isn't about making my winter warmer.

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

I just posted a thousand...

i went through your list ... the first few i don't have access to the pdf ... many of the other ones are all published by the same journal Energy and Environment

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title= ... nvironment

this journal is not part of the ISI listing of peer reviewed journals because they do not adhere to the guidelines most journals operate by ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISI_Web_of_Knowledge

look - i know, you just google ... global warming is a myth ... and you copy and paste everything ... it's pretty obvious you have not read any of the articles in the link you posted because you have yet to debate the actual science ... if you would just spend a fraction of that time learning about it - we wouldn't be doing this over and over again ...

So what about all the other peer reviewed articles Its clear you did not ready any of them, are you just going to ignore them and go on with your CC/GW crusade???

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

As soon as you basically said you have trust of the government and them supplying grant money to researchers you lost your credibility with me. Who the hell trust the government these days, really.

soo ... you are basically saying (like before) you don't trust any scientists ... which is fine because it basically means you have no opinion on the matter except you don't trust scientists ...

what is also means is that you can't really say with any authority that it does or doesn't exists because you have no foundation for it ... posting an article by a "scientist" saying it doesn't exist but at the same time saying you don't believe in them is contradictory isn't it?

You are right I don't trust scientist, I do not trust the government and I do not trust the oil companies. But the only way the oil company is screwing me is at the pumps and not paying their fair share of taxes, but hell there is all kinds of corporations and people that don't pay their fair share of taxes. The government on the other hand

Are Leeches-they leech off the productivity of others, they continually create layer upon layer of government jobs that are not needed.

Am I an authority of course not, but I do know this winter today is just as cold as it was when I was in high school and in college, we've been under a deep freeze since early December. Can we clean up the planet and pollute less, we sure can. Maybe instead of funding these scientist, take that money and find better ways to pollute less, better ways to recycle, better ways to dispose of our trash and the list could go on and on.

If you are convinced that these scientist are right, then why does the government need to fund more research into proving humans are the problem, now that funding should be directed into other areas to find a better way.