I don't normally post on AMT, but I wanted to highlight a section on the Presidents speech:
"But what we can't do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another. That we cannot do. As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let us use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy, and remind ourselves of all the ways our hopes and dreams are bound together.
Hopefully, as we move forward, we can try to embrace this sentiment and stop using violence and inciting violence, to get our points across.
not sure if you really want an answer to this, and my intention isn't to derail the thread at all, but I really believe what will bring the country together, is allowing the states to be states again. Allowing states and cities to be in control of more things, allowing local government to be in control of more things is a great way to start. State and Local elections should be more important than national elections...it is much better and more fulfilling to feel like 1 of 20,000 in your town and an important piece in your democracy rather than 1 of 300,000,000 and the feeling of insignificance and disillusionment
Once you feel in control of your own life it seems to me, anecdotally speaking, that you are much better at participating in society as a whole
who knows, rambled a bit, still in shock of how much I enjoyed the speech last night
My state is run by dipshit, hillbilly conservatives. Seriously, a bunch of wannabe cowboys who are looking for the next batch of Indians. The last thing I want to see is more power in their hands. For starters, every wolf in the state would be dead in a week. Mines and logging operations would spring up everywhere. Ranchers would have unchecked authority over public lands. Our protected wilderness areas would burn in the fires of industry. Eyed would turn into a full-blown sniper. No fucking thanks... except for maybe that last part.
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The republicans they had on CNN last night were all praising the Obama speech and absolutely destroying Palin.
One of GW's speech writers was at a loss for words as to why Sarah Palin would release that statement on the same day as the presidents speech, said she just doesn't get it, that she missed a real opportunity to be seen as a leader and came off as the complete opposite. They also made a point that not once did she speak the name of one of the victims but spoke of her self quite a bit.
I saw that last night. GW's speech writer was right on the ball with you said that he said.
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it was a great speech but i must admit my 1st thought was why was he on tv for this. and i am a registered democrat and supporter (well at least somewhat still) of Obama's. Before the speech I didn't really think there was a need to address the nation because of this.
it was a great speech but i must admit my 1st thought was why was he on tv for this. and i am a registered democrat and supporter (well at least somewhat still) of Obama's. Before the speech I didn't really think there was a need to address the nation because of this.
it was important because there was a lot of blame being thrown around, much of it by democrats and a lot of it towards the tea party ... then there was the inevitable backlash ... everything was getting lost in a haze of partisanship and hate ... and it was an opportune time to put into the spotlight the level of political discourse that exists in the US ...
not sure if you really want an answer to this, and my intention isn't to derail the thread at all, but I really believe what will bring the country together, is allowing the states to be states again. Allowing states and cities to be in control of more things, allowing local government to be in control of more things is a great way to start. State and Local elections should be more important than national elections...it is much better and more fulfilling to feel like 1 of 20,000 in your town and an important piece in your democracy rather than 1 of 300,000,000 and the feeling of insignificance and disillusionment
Once you feel in control of your own life it seems to me, anecdotally speaking, that you are much better at participating in society as a whole
who knows, rambled a bit, still in shock of how much I enjoyed the speech last night
My state is run by dipshit, hillbilly conservatives. Seriously, a bunch of wannabe cowboys who are looking for the next batch of Indians. The last thing I want to see is more power in their hands. For starters, every wolf in the state would be dead in a week. Mines and logging operations would spring up everywhere. Ranchers would have unchecked authority over public lands. Our protected wilderness areas would burn in the fires of industry. Eyed would turn into a full-blown sniper. No fucking thanks... except for maybe that last part.
There isn't perfection in having strong state and local governments, corruption and bad policy can go everywhere, but corruption and bad policy aren't creating the feeling of total isolationism that is creeping in, feeling helpless to stop it is...
I think a perfect example of this type of thing happening is small town/big city...My home town still has community pools, a grand stand in the central park for free performances anyone wants to put on, clean streets and great schools...as we get into areas that are bigger and larger people become more and more isolated. The neighborhood I live in saying hello has gone away...watching your neighbors yard while they are on vacation... forget about it...snow blowing all this god damn snow for your elderly neighbor who SHARES A DRIVEWAY WITH YOU, out of the question...in fact I shoveled a woman's walkway/stairs and driveway after a particularly large snow this year(lived next to her for almost 2 years, said hello to her with very little response countless times) as i approached her front door, she leaned out and said "I am not paying you for this you know..." and shut the door... JESUS CHRIST where did our sense of community go... These things are not only done in small communities they are almost expected...I realize there are other mitigating and correlating reasons for these things, but anonymity/sense of belonging is as much to do with it as anything else.
It may not solve it, but the loss of community sure seems tied to the growth of the federal government and I for one would love to do a study ...in fact I think I may bring it up to my advisor at school.
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It may not solve it, but the loss of community sure seems tied to the growth of the federal government and I for one would love to do a study ...in fact I think I may bring it up to my advisor at school.
Read the Narcissistic Epidemic ... i'm not sure how you can blame the federal gov't for what amounts to personal behaviour ... the loss of community is tied into people being more selfish ... maybe there is correlation to gov't ... i dunno ... but i suspect your culprit is something else altogether ...
It may not solve it, but the loss of community sure seems tied to the growth of the federal government and I for one would love to do a study ...in fact I think I may bring it up to my advisor at school.
Read the Narcissistic Epidemic ... i'm not sure how you can blame the federal gov't for what amounts to personal behaviour ... the loss of community is tied into people being more selfish ... maybe there is correlation to gov't ... i dunno ... but i suspect your culprit is something else altogether ...
I believe there is more than one reason, as the community we align ourselves with grows in size we become more and more anonymous. I think the selfish behavior comes from as a result of this, not the other way around...I don't think we have lost community because of selfishness. It seems as though it is a chicken egg thing...i am not blaming the federal government at all, it is what we allow it to be, what I am saying is that if people had the perception of being able to make a difference in their every day lives we may find a better sense of community...I feel like that is more attainable in small towns...but the perception of government has a lot to do with our everyday actions and how we act towards one another...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
How about forgetting about what would realistically happen collectively and just start to be more aware personally? It isn't about everyone changing overnight, it's about personal growth to the point that the idea eventually spreads and catches on to the masses. Comments on Hannity's site are probably the the most negative example, and they don't represent everyone collectively. And it also represents those who refuse to listen to what was being said.
i'm all for it ... partisanship has killed democracy ... i believe in everything you said but if I had to bet - i would bet on status quo ... it's the same way i feel about the environment ... hope and act for change but don't think it will happen ...
I don't worry or think about major change anymore, I know it's just a dream, but we all have the ability to change ourselves. So that's what I'm focusing on. After trying to do my best to make a difference, hopefully I can influence a few people, they make the change, and then the idea spreads, and builds...
not to speak for JA but it's possible that he was only stating the painful truth ... i believe his speech spoke to the heart of what ails america in many ways ... but i am also of the belief that not much will change ... see post about sean hannity's website for evidence ...
How about forgetting about what would realistically happen collectively and just start to be more aware personally? It isn't about everyone changing overnight, it's about personal growth to the point that the idea eventually spreads and catches on to the masses. Comments on Hannity's site are probably the the most negative example, and they don't represent everyone collectively. And it also represents those who refuse to listen to what was being said.
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I watched the memorial service. did you see Giffords' intern Daniel Hernández Jr.? when Obama praised him, he sat and stared at obama, without a reaction. I wondered what he was thinking....he seemed almost in shock. he finally said, "thank you." I was wondering when he was going to respond, it must have been awfully hard on him. As for Christina-Taylor Green's parents, I don't know how they are able to speak to the media. I don't know how any parents are able to speak on the news, etc. when their child has been killed.
I pray for all the families and friends of the victims.
For the next few months, I hope that the media (or a reality show) does not follow/bug Daniel Hernández Jr. since he is a hero.
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I watched the memorial service. did you see Giffords' intern Daniel Hernández Jr.? when Obama praised him, he sat and stared at obama, without a reaction. I wondered what he was thinking....he seemed almost in shock. he finally said, "thank you." I was wondering when he was going to respond, it must have been awfully hard on him. As for Christina-Taylor Green's parents, I don't know how they are able to speak to the media. I don't know how any parents are able to speak on the news, etc. when their child has been killed.
I pray for all the families and friends of the victims.
For the next few months, I hope that the media (or a reality show) does not follow/bug Daniel Hernández Jr. since he is a hero.
I loved Hernandez's speech. Though obviously not a professional speaker, he spoke from the heart.
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I watched the memorial service. did you see Giffords' intern Daniel Hernández Jr.? when Obama praised him, he sat and stared at obama, without a reaction. I wondered what he was thinking....he seemed almost in shock. he finally said, "thank you." I was wondering when he was going to respond, it must have been awfully hard on him. As for Christina-Taylor Green's parents, I don't know how they are able to speak to the media. I don't know how any parents are able to speak on the news, etc. when their child has been killed.
I pray for all the families and friends of the victims.
For the next few months, I hope that the media (or a reality show) does not follow/bug Daniel Hernández Jr. since he is a hero.
I loved Hernandez's speech. Though obviously not a professional speaker, he spoke from the heart.
what? when did he speak? I thought I watched the entire memorial. I was only talking about when obama complimented him. I'm sorry. Maybe I fell asleep?
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it was a lovely speech up until the last sentence... then he had to spoil it. :twisted:
p.s. may Allah bless Iran.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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I don't normally post on AMT, but I wanted to highlight a section on the Presidents speech:
"But what we can't do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another. That we cannot do. As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let us use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy, and remind ourselves of all the ways our hopes and dreams are bound together.
Hopefully, as we move forward, we can try to embrace this sentiment and stop using violence and inciting violence, to get our points across.
My state is run by dipshit, hillbilly conservatives. Seriously, a bunch of wannabe cowboys who are looking for the next batch of Indians. The last thing I want to see is more power in their hands. For starters, every wolf in the state would be dead in a week. Mines and logging operations would spring up everywhere. Ranchers would have unchecked authority over public lands. Our protected wilderness areas would burn in the fires of industry. Eyed would turn into a full-blown sniper. No fucking thanks... except for maybe that last part.
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it was important because there was a lot of blame being thrown around, much of it by democrats and a lot of it towards the tea party ... then there was the inevitable backlash ... everything was getting lost in a haze of partisanship and hate ... and it was an opportune time to put into the spotlight the level of political discourse that exists in the US ...
There isn't perfection in having strong state and local governments, corruption and bad policy can go everywhere, but corruption and bad policy aren't creating the feeling of total isolationism that is creeping in, feeling helpless to stop it is...
I think a perfect example of this type of thing happening is small town/big city...My home town still has community pools, a grand stand in the central park for free performances anyone wants to put on, clean streets and great schools...as we get into areas that are bigger and larger people become more and more isolated. The neighborhood I live in saying hello has gone away...watching your neighbors yard while they are on vacation... forget about it...snow blowing all this god damn snow for your elderly neighbor who SHARES A DRIVEWAY WITH YOU, out of the question...in fact I shoveled a woman's walkway/stairs and driveway after a particularly large snow this year(lived next to her for almost 2 years, said hello to her with very little response countless times) as i approached her front door, she leaned out and said "I am not paying you for this you know..." and shut the door... JESUS CHRIST where did our sense of community go... These things are not only done in small communities they are almost expected...I realize there are other mitigating and correlating reasons for these things, but anonymity/sense of belonging is as much to do with it as anything else.
It may not solve it, but the loss of community sure seems tied to the growth of the federal government and I for one would love to do a study ...in fact I think I may bring it up to my advisor at school.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Read the Narcissistic Epidemic ... i'm not sure how you can blame the federal gov't for what amounts to personal behaviour ... the loss of community is tied into people being more selfish ... maybe there is correlation to gov't ... i dunno ... but i suspect your culprit is something else altogether ...
I believe there is more than one reason, as the community we align ourselves with grows in size we become more and more anonymous. I think the selfish behavior comes from as a result of this, not the other way around...I don't think we have lost community because of selfishness. It seems as though it is a chicken egg thing...i am not blaming the federal government at all, it is what we allow it to be, what I am saying is that if people had the perception of being able to make a difference in their every day lives we may find a better sense of community...I feel like that is more attainable in small towns...but the perception of government has a lot to do with our everyday actions and how we act towards one another...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I don't worry or think about major change anymore, I know it's just a dream, but we all have the ability to change ourselves. So that's what I'm focusing on. After trying to do my best to make a difference, hopefully I can influence a few people, they make the change, and then the idea spreads, and builds...
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I pray for all the families and friends of the victims.
For the next few months, I hope that the media (or a reality show) does not follow/bug Daniel Hernández Jr. since he is a hero.
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what? when did he speak? I thought I watched the entire memorial. I was only talking about when obama complimented him. I'm sorry. Maybe I fell asleep?
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p.s. may Allah bless Iran.