I want us to live up to her expectations

mysticweed

Before Obama's address, Palin gave her little "don't blame me" speech.
She takes no responsibility for spurring a hate crime, and she is probably right
Then the president gives a completely non-political eulogy and is chastised by the right for using it as a campaign speech

FUCKING HELL

BinauralJam

Obama Knocked it out of the Park!

josevolution

I thought it was a very touching and moving speech i don't get the Republicans reaction on this speech as being a campaign speech at all Maybe i'm missing something or i can't read between the lines , No matter how hard i try to understand Right wing rhetoric i can't ...

unlost dogs

Jeanwah wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

That kind of attitude is what keeps people living with their eyes and hearts closed.

Why can't people dismiss their partisanship when listening to a speech that has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with simple humanity? We need to look at the big picture and focus on taking care of each other over everything else.

not to speak for JA but it's possible that he was only stating the painful truth ... i believe his speech spoke to the heart of what ails america in many ways ... but i am also of the belief that not much will change ... see post about sean hannity's website for evidence ...

How about forgetting about what would realistically happen collectively and just start to be more aware personally? It isn't about everyone changing overnight, it's about personal growth to the point that the idea eventually spreads and catches on to the masses. Comments on Hannity's site are probably the the most negative example, and they don't represent everyone collectively. And it also represents those who refuse to listen to what was being said.

The world has come undone
Another day and who can wait
Change don't come at once
It's a wave building before it breaks

pandora

josevolution wrote:

I thought it was a very touching and moving speech i don't get the Republicans reaction on this speech as being a campaign speech at all Maybe i'm missing something or i can't read between the lines , No matter how hard i try to understand Right wing rhetoric i can't ...

I felt the atmosphere was a little campaign like...or at least had the political feel to it.
Probably not surprising.
It doesn't matter which party though, one thing we can be sure of, one will point a finger at the other and find fault. This both always do.
Its a a messy little war thats dividing our country and promoting hate instead of living with a common goal.
And it's a great excuse for no positive change and a wonderful guise.
Our goal should be a country united in love and strong.... because divided we will fall.

g under p

pandora wrote:

josevolution wrote:

I thought it was a very touching and moving speech i don't get the Republicans reaction on this speech as being a campaign speech at all Maybe i'm missing something or i can't read between the lines , No matter how hard i try to understand Right wing rhetoric i can't ...

I felt the atmosphere was a little campaign like...or at least had the political feel to it.
Probably not surprising.
It doesn't matter which party though, one thing we can be sure of, one will point a finger at the other and find fault. This both always do.
Its a a messy little war thats dividing our country and promoting hate instead of living with a common goal.
And it's a great excuse for no positive change and a wonderful guise.
Our goal should be a country united in love and strong.... because divided we will fall.

a good question would be when will this country become UNITED and what will cause it to be UNITED?

Peace

polaris_x

g under p wrote:

a good question would be when will this country become UNITED and what will cause it to be UNITED?

Peace

a war based on lies seemed to have worked for a bit ... but i digress - there was a message of introspection delivered ... delivered quite well by all accounts ... if that message reaches out to 5% of the populace - it still would have done something ...

mikepegg44

g under p wrote:

pandora wrote:

josevolution wrote:

I thought it was a very touching and moving speech i don't get the Republicans reaction on this speech as being a campaign speech at all Maybe i'm missing something or i can't read between the lines , No matter how hard i try to understand Right wing rhetoric i can't ...

I felt the atmosphere was a little campaign like...or at least had the political feel to it.
Probably not surprising.
It doesn't matter which party though, one thing we can be sure of, one will point a finger at the other and find fault. This both always do.
Its a a messy little war thats dividing our country and promoting hate instead of living with a common goal.
And it's a great excuse for no positive change and a wonderful guise.
Our goal should be a country united in love and strong.... because divided we will fall.

a good question would be when will this country become UNITED and what will cause it to be UNITED?

Peace

not sure if you really want an answer to this, and my intention isn't to derail the thread at all, but I really believe what will bring the country together, is allowing the states to be states again. Allowing states and cities to be in control of more things, allowing local government to be in control of more things is a great way to start. State and Local elections should be more important than national elections...it is much better and more fulfilling to feel like 1 of 20,000 in your town and an important piece in your democracy rather than 1 of 300,000,000 and the feeling of insignificance and disillusionment
Once you feel in control of your own life it seems to me, anecdotally speaking, that you are much better at participating in society as a whole

who knows, rambled a bit, still in shock of how much I enjoyed the speech last night

pandora

g under p wrote:

pandora wrote:

josevolution wrote:

I thought it was a very touching and moving speech i don't get the Republicans reaction on this speech as being a campaign speech at all Maybe i'm missing something or i can't read between the lines , No matter how hard i try to understand Right wing rhetoric i can't ...

I felt the atmosphere was a little campaign like...or at least had the political feel to it.
Probably not surprising.
It doesn't matter which party though, one thing we can be sure of, one will point a finger at the other and find fault. This both always do.
Its a a messy little war thats dividing our country and promoting hate instead of living with a common goal.
And it's a great excuse for no positive change and a wonderful guise.
Our goal should be a country united in love and strong.... because divided we will fall.

a good question would be when will this country become UNITED and what will cause it to be UNITED?

Peace

People even here in the PJ love world can not unite nor be courteous understanding or kind to each other.
It seems a different belief, or a different location on this earth, or a different opinion
is reason enough for some to be disrespectful or to hate.
And why can't we just love each other again? I mean, we are all really the same.
Your question brought to mind immediately... we will unite when we have a common enemy
or a common love. I'm praying for the latter.

Cliffy6745

The republicans they had on CNN last night were all praising the Obama speech and absolutely destroying Palin.

One of GW's speech writers was at a loss for words as to why Sarah Palin would release that statement on the same day as the presidents speech, said she just doesn't get it, that she missed a real opportunity to be seen as a leader and came off as the complete opposite. They also made a point that not once did she speak the name of one of the victims but spoke of her self quite a bit.

vduboise

Thanks Norm for posting this.

I don't normally post on AMT, but I wanted to highlight a section on the Presidents speech:

"But what we can't do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another. That we cannot do. As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let us use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy, and remind ourselves of all the ways our hopes and dreams are bound together.

Hopefully, as we move forward, we can try to embrace this sentiment and stop using violence and inciting violence, to get our points across.

eyedclaar

mikepegg44 wrote:

not sure if you really want an answer to this, and my intention isn't to derail the thread at all, but I really believe what will bring the country together, is allowing the states to be states again. Allowing states and cities to be in control of more things, allowing local government to be in control of more things is a great way to start. State and Local elections should be more important than national elections...it is much better and more fulfilling to feel like 1 of 20,000 in your town and an important piece in your democracy rather than 1 of 300,000,000 and the feeling of insignificance and disillusionment
Once you feel in control of your own life it seems to me, anecdotally speaking, that you are much better at participating in society as a whole

who knows, rambled a bit, still in shock of how much I enjoyed the speech last night

My state is run by dipshit, hillbilly conservatives. Seriously, a bunch of wannabe cowboys who are looking for the next batch of Indians. The last thing I want to see is more power in their hands. For starters, every wolf in the state would be dead in a week. Mines and logging operations would spring up everywhere. Ranchers would have unchecked authority over public lands. Our protected wilderness areas would burn in the fires of industry. Eyed would turn into a full-blown sniper. No fucking thanks... except for maybe that last part.

Newch91

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The republicans they had on CNN last night were all praising the Obama speech and absolutely destroying Palin.

One of GW's speech writers was at a loss for words as to why Sarah Palin would release that statement on the same day as the presidents speech, said she just doesn't get it, that she missed a real opportunity to be seen as a leader and came off as the complete opposite. They also made a point that not once did she speak the name of one of the victims but spoke of her self quite a bit.

I saw that last night. GW's speech writer was right on the ball with you said that he said.

pjhawks

it was a great speech but i must admit my 1st thought was why was he on tv for this. and i am a registered democrat and supporter (well at least somewhat still) of Obama's. Before the speech I didn't really think there was a need to address the nation because of this.

polaris_x

pjhawks wrote:

it was a great speech but i must admit my 1st thought was why was he on tv for this. and i am a registered democrat and supporter (well at least somewhat still) of Obama's. Before the speech I didn't really think there was a need to address the nation because of this.

it was important because there was a lot of blame being thrown around, much of it by democrats and a lot of it towards the tea party ... then there was the inevitable backlash ... everything was getting lost in a haze of partisanship and hate ... and it was an opportune time to put into the spotlight the level of political discourse that exists in the US ...

mikepegg44

eyedclaar wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

not sure if you really want an answer to this, and my intention isn't to derail the thread at all, but I really believe what will bring the country together, is allowing the states to be states again. Allowing states and cities to be in control of more things, allowing local government to be in control of more things is a great way to start. State and Local elections should be more important than national elections...it is much better and more fulfilling to feel like 1 of 20,000 in your town and an important piece in your democracy rather than 1 of 300,000,000 and the feeling of insignificance and disillusionment
Once you feel in control of your own life it seems to me, anecdotally speaking, that you are much better at participating in society as a whole

who knows, rambled a bit, still in shock of how much I enjoyed the speech last night

My state is run by dipshit, hillbilly conservatives. Seriously, a bunch of wannabe cowboys who are looking for the next batch of Indians. The last thing I want to see is more power in their hands. For starters, every wolf in the state would be dead in a week. Mines and logging operations would spring up everywhere. Ranchers would have unchecked authority over public lands. Our protected wilderness areas would burn in the fires of industry. Eyed would turn into a full-blown sniper. No fucking thanks... except for maybe that last part.

There isn't perfection in having strong state and local governments, corruption and bad policy can go everywhere, but corruption and bad policy aren't creating the feeling of total isolationism that is creeping in, feeling helpless to stop it is...
I think a perfect example of this type of thing happening is small town/big city...My home town still has community pools, a grand stand in the central park for free performances anyone wants to put on, clean streets and great schools...as we get into areas that are bigger and larger people become more and more isolated. The neighborhood I live in saying hello has gone away...watching your neighbors yard while they are on vacation... forget about it...snow blowing all this god damn snow for your elderly neighbor who SHARES A DRIVEWAY WITH YOU, out of the question...in fact I shoveled a woman's walkway/stairs and driveway after a particularly large snow this year(lived next to her for almost 2 years, said hello to her with very little response countless times) as i approached her front door, she leaned out and said "I am not paying you for this you know..." and shut the door... JESUS CHRIST where did our sense of community go... These things are not only done in small communities they are almost expected...I realize there are other mitigating and correlating reasons for these things, but anonymity/sense of belonging is as much to do with it as anything else.
It may not solve it, but the loss of community sure seems tied to the growth of the federal government and I for one would love to do a study ...in fact I think I may bring it up to my advisor at school.

polaris_x

mikepegg44 wrote:

It may not solve it, but the loss of community sure seems tied to the growth of the federal government and I for one would love to do a study ...in fact I think I may bring it up to my advisor at school.

Read the Narcissistic Epidemic ... i'm not sure how you can blame the federal gov't for what amounts to personal behaviour ... the loss of community is tied into people being more selfish ... maybe there is correlation to gov't ... i dunno ... but i suspect your culprit is something else altogether ...

mikepegg44

polaris_x wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

It may not solve it, but the loss of community sure seems tied to the growth of the federal government and I for one would love to do a study ...in fact I think I may bring it up to my advisor at school.

Read the Narcissistic Epidemic ... i'm not sure how you can blame the federal gov't for what amounts to personal behaviour ... the loss of community is tied into people being more selfish ... maybe there is correlation to gov't ... i dunno ... but i suspect your culprit is something else altogether ...

I believe there is more than one reason, as the community we align ourselves with grows in size we become more and more anonymous. I think the selfish behavior comes from as a result of this, not the other way around...I don't think we have lost community because of selfishness. It seems as though it is a chicken egg thing...i am not blaming the federal government at all, it is what we allow it to be, what I am saying is that if people had the perception of being able to make a difference in their every day lives we may find a better sense of community...I feel like that is more attainable in small towns...but the perception of government has a lot to do with our everyday actions and how we act towards one another...

Jeanwah

polaris_x wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

How about forgetting about what would realistically happen collectively and just start to be more aware personally? It isn't about everyone changing overnight, it's about personal growth to the point that the idea eventually spreads and catches on to the masses. Comments on Hannity's site are probably the the most negative example, and they don't represent everyone collectively. And it also represents those who refuse to listen to what was being said.

i'm all for it ... partisanship has killed democracy ... i believe in everything you said but if I had to bet - i would bet on status quo ... it's the same way i feel about the environment ... hope and act for change but don't think it will happen ...

I don't worry or think about major change anymore, I know it's just a dream, but we all have the ability to change ourselves. So that's what I'm focusing on. After trying to do my best to make a difference, hopefully I can influence a few people, they make the change, and then the idea spreads, and builds...

Jeanwah

unlost dogs wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

not to speak for JA but it's possible that he was only stating the painful truth ... i believe his speech spoke to the heart of what ails america in many ways ... but i am also of the belief that not much will change ... see post about sean hannity's website for evidence ...

How about forgetting about what would realistically happen collectively and just start to be more aware personally? It isn't about everyone changing overnight, it's about personal growth to the point that the idea eventually spreads and catches on to the masses. Comments on Hannity's site are probably the the most negative example, and they don't represent everyone collectively. And it also represents those who refuse to listen to what was being said.

The world has come undone
Another day and who can wait
Change don't come at once
It's a wave building before it breaks

:thumbup: :-D