Obama promises more war until 2014!

otter

So Biden tells the Pakistani's while he's over therre on a secret mission that US troops will be in the Middle East until at least 2014? WTF
He could have brought everybody home in 2008

ed243421

great for business
bad for the young men and women who think they are willing to die for this corrupt government

LikeAnOcean

We fucked Iraq. We can't just get up and leave the mess. It was wrong, but we are now responsible for making sure everything is in order before we leave.

I don't get why this is hard to understand. I never expected us to just leave when Obama took office.

Chip McFlennigan

This is change I believe in.

ed243421

LikeAnOcean wrote:

We fucked Iraq. We can't just get up and leave the mess. It was wrong, but we are now responsible for making sure everything is in order before we leave.

I don't get why this is hard to understand. I never expected us to just leave when Obama took office.

don't you get it
fucking up iraq
was great for business
and bad for all of the dead and wounded
but as our government has taught us
business is more important
than the lives and health of anybody

whygohome

ed243421 wrote:

great for business
bad for the young men and women who think they are willing to die for this corrupt government

Sad, but true. Why can't everyone see this?

otter

Obama had a moment in time that so few people have ever had. He had the opportunity to end a war because he had overwhelming support from Americans and all other people all over the world plus the vast majority of support of US congress. I can't decied if he is a fool, a pussy, or just a son-of-a-bitch.

I'd like to see the results of that poll.

fuck

LikeAnOcean wrote:

We fucked Iraq. We can't just get up and leave the mess. It was wrong, but we are now responsible for making sure everything is in order before we leave.

I don't get why this is hard to understand. I never expected us to just leave when Obama took office.

I don't get why it's hard to understand that our military presence there is CLEARLY not welcome, not by the civilians nor the insurgents, and that maintaining a military occupation does not exactly present yourself as well-intentioned. It's not making Iraq a better country.

Obama is a failure. Always was. I'm glad I didn't vote for him and I feel sad for those who did. It's funny how the discussions of what he would and what he wouldn't do were so dead on during the election. And look what happened? His supporters - for the most part - are speechless now. Not a memorable presidency whatsoever, and it's only led to further infringements on civil liberties, continued military occupations and support for dictatorships, and so on.

samsonite

i really wish we'd get outta there already, but the shift in obama's stance on the war makes me wonder if once he was in office he got all kinds of new information, painting a clearer picture of what's going on and that's why we're still there?! i'm not suggesting we should've been there in the first place but maybe there are real, genuine concerns for pulling out now?!

i don't know. it's all very frustrating.

WaveCameCrashin

not to derail this thread but has anyone seen Sebastian Jungers new doc "Restrepo " ? If you haven't you really need to see it. These are just kids..

http://restrepothemovie.com/

whygohome

spamsonite wrote:

i really wish we'd get outta there already, but the shift in obama's stance on the war makes me wonder if once he was in office he got all kinds of new information, painting a clearer picture of what's going on and that's why we're still there?! i'm not suggesting we should've been there in the first place but maybe there are real, genuine concerns for pulling out now?!

i don't know. it's all very frustrating.

A good point. As much as I want every single American in uniform brought home from these pointless "wars," there is still a lot of information that the public does not know about.

That said, Obama is still in control of the situation - at least as far as we know - and he should withdraw all troops like he said he would.

otter

Obama could have declared peace And earned that prize.

fuck

whygohome wrote:

spamsonite wrote:

i really wish we'd get outta there already, but the shift in obama's stance on the war makes me wonder if once he was in office he got all kinds of new information, painting a clearer picture of what's going on and that's why we're still there?! i'm not suggesting we should've been there in the first place but maybe there are real, genuine concerns for pulling out now?!

i don't know. it's all very frustrating.

A good point. As much as I want every single American in uniform brought home from these pointless "wars," there is still a lot of information that the public does not know about.

That said, Obama is still in control of the situation - at least as far as we know - and he should withdraw all troops like he said he would.

No it's not a good point. If there is something the public does not know about keeping the troops there then that is still wrong. The public deserves to know WHY our troops are there, otherwise democracy is pointless. But we've already seen that before anyway, and it's very clear that there is no legitimate reason keeping our troops there just as there wasn't one to send our troops there in the first place. I wonder, if we keep voting in lying and corrupt politicians - that is, politicians who promise us something but then go ahead and ignore their promises - then who is to blame for the corruption and tyranny? the people, who keep voting in these crooks, or the crooks themselves? tyranny enforced on the people... by the people. gotta love America

Cosmo

Has the phrase, 'Cut And Run' been erased from the American psyche? Because, that used to be something you heard alot about 3 years ago. And does withdrawing from the Middle East now mean 'Victory'? How come we don't ever hear about 'Winning' and 'Victory' in Afghanistan anymore? Is it because we have a different President, now? If not... then what changed and why?

Pepe Silvia

spamsonite wrote:

i really wish we'd get outta there already, but the shift in obama's stance on the war makes me wonder if once he was in office he got all kinds of new information, painting a clearer picture of what's going on and that's why we're still there?! i'm not suggesting we should've been there in the first place but maybe there are real, genuine concerns for pulling out now?!

i don't know. it's all very frustrating.

i don't know why anyone is surprised, either. his campaign website ALWAYS SAID he would send more troops to afghanistan, it even said a lot of the troops who left iraq would simply be redeployed there....

AND while he accepted the nobel peace prize he called it a "war of necessity"

and we might stay after 2014

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05636.html

In Kabul, Biden promises U.S. support beyond 2014

KABUL - Vice President Biden on Tuesday pledged long-term American support for Afghanistan, offering a commitment to help the war-torn nation beyond the 2014 target both countries have set to have Afghans fully in charge of their own security........

.....But he stressed that the United States would continue to assist the Afghan government. "If the Afghan people want it, we won't leave in 2014," Biden said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/ ... 3546.shtml

President Barack Obama has discussed maintaining a counterterrorism capability in Afghanistan after 2014 and the Afghan security force training program is expected to last until 2016. As recently as Dec. 16, Obama said the U.S. and its NATO allies would have an enduring presence there after 2014, although the details of that were unclear.

Cosmo

My opinion... the current hotbed for fundamentalist extremism... the horn of Africa.
The way to 'Win' against the Fundamentalist extremists... quit fucking with them. Change our foriegn policy that supports us getting rich from resources in THEIR homelands. Quit meddling in their domestic affairs in order to win favors that are in America's Best Intrests... instead of THEIR Best Interests. And change to default support of Israel and lay responsibility where it lays... whether it is on the Israelis or their Arab counterparts... hold the responsible party responsible, instead of consistantly supporting and making up excuses for Israel's actions.