in school there were always kids that....

blondieblue227

...didn't quite fit. kids that scared me a little. sure there's weird and misfits in every school, but i'm talking about the scary weird kids.
they're in every school. don't try and say they aren't.

it's sad to me that these kids are clearly aren't right and don't get the help they need.

is it really a matter of privacy? what about responsibly to keep our society safe? ....our responsibility to all children.

Byrnzie

Kevinman

pulled their pants all the way down at the urinal.

Byrnzie

Moonpig

blondieblue227 wrote:

...didn't quite fit. kids that scared me a little. sure there's weird and misfits in every school, but i'm talking about the scary weird kids.
they're in every school. don't try and say they aren't.

it's sad to me that these kids are clearly aren't right and don't get the help they need.

is it really a matter of privacy? what about responsibly to keep our society safe? ....our responsibility to all children.

Aren't those, generally, the kids that we all end up working for?

eyedclaar

blondieblue227 wrote:

...didn't quite fit. kids that scared me a little. sure there's weird and misfits in every school, but i'm talking about the scary weird kids.
they're in every school. don't try and say they aren't.

it's sad to me that these kids are clearly aren't right and don't get the help they need.

is it really a matter of privacy? what about responsibly to keep our society safe? ....our responsibility to all children.

I was that kid, and I didn't need or want anyone's help.

QuarterToTen

blondieblue227 wrote:

...didn't quite fit. kids that scared me a little. sure there's weird and misfits in every school, but i'm talking about the scary weird kids.
they're in every school. don't try and say they aren't.

it's sad to me that these kids are clearly aren't right and don't get the help they need.

is it really a matter of privacy? what about responsibly to keep our society safe? ....our responsibility to all children.

It is our fundamental responsibility to educate, protect and nurture our children.

The lessons taught, and learned starting at a very young age are held throughout life.
Those children who are not nurtured, dealt with, given special attention when it is so obviously
needed are the ones who will be the sad loners, the misfits.

An unfortunate result of our society's increasingly detached indifference.

Only when something goes horribly wrong do these misfits get the attention they crave,
the attention they have been screaming for their entire lives.

Very sad indeed.

MotoDC

Moonpig wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

...didn't quite fit. kids that scared me a little. sure there's weird and misfits in every school, but i'm talking about the scary weird kids.
they're in every school. don't try and say they aren't.

it's sad to me that these kids are clearly aren't right and don't get the help they need.

is it really a matter of privacy? what about responsibly to keep our society safe? ....our responsibility to all children.

Aren't those, generally, the kids that we all end up working for?

No, they generally deliver pizzas for Dominoes. You're confusing nerds with misfits. haha

MotoDC

eyedclaar wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

...didn't quite fit. kids that scared me a little. sure there's weird and misfits in every school, but i'm talking about the scary weird kids.
they're in every school. don't try and say they aren't.

it's sad to me that these kids are clearly aren't right and don't get the help they need.

is it really a matter of privacy? what about responsibly to keep our society safe? ....our responsibility to all children.

I was that kid, and I didn't need or want anyone's help.

Ok eyedclear, I'll take the bait -- what kept you from turning into a Tucson shooter?

he still stands

"There is no such thing as a weird human being, It's just that some people require more understanding than others" - Tom Robbins

Perhaps the term that you're looking for is "chemically-unbalanced and sociopathic" kids?

Or shall we start locking up all kids who don't conform to a certain set of ideals handed down from on high?

eyedclaar

MotoDC wrote:

Ok eyedclear, I'll take the bait -- what kept you from turning into a Tucson shooter?

eyedclear? Waffledammit, it's eyedclaar, as in I Declare!!!! Get it straight before I go on a shooting rampage!



Alright seriously, my life isn't over, there's still time.

Ok, even more seriously,

Umm, how honest should I be?

I am anti-social. I always have been. I never once felt like I belonged with my species. It seems I am at odds with everthing people do and believe. I have the skills and tools to climb into a clocktower and unleash holy hell, and I'd be lying if I said the thought never crossed my mind as a younger man. Just read some of my early poetry. However, I couldn't really bring myself to harm someone I didn't have a personal problem with, and I am calmer now as far as mental health goes...

I realized just how violent I had become when I was blasting PJ in my house one day (rearviewmirror) and I swear I heard a pounding on my front door. Not even caring who was out there, I grabbed my loaded .44 and threw open the door. Thankfully, nobody was there. Might have been my guardian angel (that I don't believe in). Had it been a cop responding to a noise complaint, someone would have probably died. Shook me up a bit. And I've been trying to not let my anger control my life since that day.

Despite all this, I feel like one of the most sane humans on this planet. Almost everyone else just seems bat-shit crazy, or willingly ignorant, or just stupid. Is there another species I can claim as my own?

BinauralJam

eyedclaar wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

Ok eyedclear, I'll take the bait -- what kept you from turning into a Tucson shooter?

eyedclear? Waffledammit, it's eyedclaar, as in I Declare!!!! Get it straight before I go on a shooting rampage!



Alright seriously, my life isn't over, there's still time.

Ok, even more seriously,

Umm, how honest should I be?

I am anti-social. I always have been. I never once felt like I belonged with my species. It seems I am at odds with everthing people do and believe. I have the skills and tools to climb into a clocktower and unleash holy hell, and I'd be lying if I said the thought never crossed my mind as a younger man. Just read some of my early poetry. However, I couldn't really bring myself to harm someone I didn't have a personal problem with, and I am calmer now as far as mental health goes...

I realized just how violent I had become when I was blasting PJ in my house one day (rearviewmirror) and I swear I heard a pounding on my front door. Not even caring who was out there, I grabbed my loaded .44 and threw open the door. Thankfully, nobody was there. Might have been my guardian angel (that I don't believe in). Had it been a cop responding to a noise complaint, someone would have probably died. Shook me up a bit. And I've been trying to not let my anger control my life since that day.

Despite all this, I feel like one of the most sane humans on this planet. Almost everyone else just seems bat-shit crazy, or willingly ignorant, or just stupid. Is there another species I can claim as my own?

Klingon

Loulou

I always ended up being friends with these people, much to the dismay of my other friends. I always found the over-the-top loud, wierd and wonderful people to be much more honest people. It was the ones that were nicey nicey and everyone loved them who would stab you in the back.

blondieblue227

QuarterToTen wrote:

It is our fundamental responsibility to educate, protect and nurture our children.

The lessons taught, and learned starting at a very young age are held throughout life.
Those children who are not nurtured, dealt with, given special attention when it is so obviously
needed are the ones who will be the sad loners, the misfits.

An unfortunate result of our society's increasingly detached indifference.

Only when something goes horribly wrong do these misfits get the attention they crave,
the attention they have been screaming for their entire lives.

Very sad indeed.

excellent post.
i feel at most times people are out only for themselves. it has to stop.
there's birth control, etc if you don't want kids. kids require a lot. i say that because i've seen times where it's clear to me a parent didn't want to be a parent in the first place.

MotoDC

eyedclaar wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

Ok eyedclear, I'll take the bait -- what kept you from turning into a Tucson shooter?

eyedclear? Waffledammit, it's eyedclaar, as in I Declare!!!! Get it straight before I go on a shooting rampage!



Alright seriously, my life isn't over, there's still time.

Ok, even more seriously,

Umm, how honest should I be?

I am anti-social. I always have been. I never once felt like I belonged with my species. It seems I am at odds with everthing people do and believe. I have the skills and tools to climb into a clocktower and unleash holy hell, and I'd be lying if I said the thought never crossed my mind as a younger man. Just read some of my early poetry. However, I couldn't really bring myself to harm someone I didn't have a personal problem with, and I am calmer now as far as mental health goes...

I realized just how violent I had become when I was blasting PJ in my house one day (rearviewmirror) and I swear I heard a pounding on my front door. Not even caring who was out there, I grabbed my loaded .44 and threw open the door. Thankfully, nobody was there. Might have been my guardian angel (that I don't believe in). Had it been a cop responding to a noise complaint, someone would have probably died. Shook me up a bit. And I've been trying to not let my anger control my life since that day.

Despite all this, I feel like one of the most sane humans on this planet. Almost everyone else just seems bat-shit crazy, or willingly ignorant, or just stupid. Is there another species I can claim as my own?

every time I read one of your posts I read your name as "eyed clear". And it seemed like your posts were often in the pot threads, which somehow made your name make more sense to my strange brain. Like maybe your eyes were in fact always bloodshot and you were being ironical...

Anywho, you remind me of one of my better friends from 6th grade. When I first moved into the area, everyone was scared of him and warned me away. Well I just had to see for myself and we ended up becoming buds. Others eventually accepted him as well. FOr the most part. ha

pandora

Often people are so misunderstood...
it can be the case that what you think you perceive as correct about them is no where near who they really are.
Why should we presume at all?
School and during the young years sets up the judging, classifying, and generalizing of others
that we carry into adult life and on to our own children.
Its a form of prejudice I'd like to see it gone someday, somehow.
Just be a friend and see who that person turns out to be.
They might not be what you expected at all and better yet,
you might help that person by being the friend they never had.
We have the power of positive influence.

blondieblue227

pandora wrote:

School and during the young years sets up the judging, classifying, and generalizing of others
that we carry into adult life and on to our own children.
Its a form of prejudice I'd like to see it gone someday, somehow.
Just be a friend and see who that person turns out to be.

exactly.
but if you feel that person is a threat do you feel obligated to find them help and who do you turn to? and will anything be done or will the kid just fall thou the cracks?

but then again, get real. think about what it was like in school. who was/wanted to be friends with the scary/weird kid. nobody. if i remember correctly, if you did reach out to that kid, then nobody wanted to be friends with you.



does anybody know the short answer to this?
Why does it seem it's mostly males on shooting massacres? what do females do when they've flipped their lid?

pandora

blondieblue227 wrote:

pandora wrote:

School and during the young years sets up the judging, classifying, and generalizing of others
that we carry into adult life and on to our own children.
Its a form of prejudice I'd like to see it gone someday, somehow.
Just be a friend and see who that person turns out to be.

exactly.
but if you feel that person is a threat do you feel obligated to find them help and who do you turn to? and will anything be done or will the kid just fall thou the cracks?

but then again, get real. think about what it was like in school. who was/wanted to be friends with the scary/weird kid. nobody. if i remember correctly, if you did reach out to that kid, then nobody wanted to be friends with you.

That is the power others hold to label someone as weird when perhaps they are not.
Perpetuates the problem and influences that person to become what people say they are.
"If you say I am.... so I must be" very unhealthy.
Having gone to every class reunion for the past 35 years, I can say,
people are not who we think they are.
Its important to stand a moment in another's shoes even the scary and weird shoes.
It's the leaders of the social power who judge people and get people to follow them and make some kids outcasts from elementary school on, they are far more numerous and the real people to fear.

blondieblue227

ok then how do we change the high school hierarchy?
we must make sure every child has friends.

eyedclaar

blondieblue227 wrote:

we must make sure every child has friends.

ahhh, I turned out ok...

blondieblue227

very in to the wild-ish don't you think? it's all about relationships. rings true don't you think? personally if i didn't have friends i'd want to kill myself. i'm not talking about friends on facebook either.


wild unrealistic thought: what if in order to own a gun you had to prove you had over 15 friends...real friends?

justam

blondieblue227 wrote:

...didn't quite fit. kids that scared me a little. sure there's weird and misfits in every school, but i'm talking about the scary weird kids.
they're in every school. don't try and say they aren't.

it's sad to me that these kids are clearly aren't right and don't get the help they need.

is it really a matter of privacy? what about responsibly to keep our society safe? ....our responsibility to all children.

Fortunately, not fitting in does not usually make young people a threat to everyone else.

I think it's best not to get so fearful that we start labeling all unusual people as potentially "dangerous."

I think most people (especially young people with only a few friends) respond better to kindness and friendliness than ostracization.

catefrances

blondieblue227 wrote:

..what do females do when they've flipped their lid?

we dont have the time nor the energy to flip our lids, were too busy keeping everything together... but if we manage to find the time and energy, we kill our kids and poison those bastard husbands.

pandora

justam wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

...didn't quite fit. kids that scared me a little. sure there's weird and misfits in every school, but i'm talking about the scary weird kids.
they're in every school. don't try and say they aren't.

it's sad to me that these kids are clearly aren't right and don't get the help they need.

is it really a matter of privacy? what about responsibly to keep our society safe? ....our responsibility to all children.

Fortunately, not fitting in does not usually make young people a threat to everyone else.

I think it's best not to get so fearful that we start labeling all unusual people as potentially "dangerous."

I think most people (especially young people with only a few friends) respond better to kindness and friendliness than ostracization.

I totally agree with this.

And young adults can be very fragile. So much talk about mental illness and the easy use of pharmaceuticals can make many question their sanity when so often it is the uncertainty of youth and growing up stresses that are the real culprits.

The relationships in the home can make or break though, everyone needs a safe harbor.
It truly starts with loving parents and family as blondieblue mentioned.

I feel the very troubled kids may have been ignored. I always think back to a favorite movie of ours...
The Breakfast Club...and the little weirdo girl tells the jock (labels again) that her parents ignore her, a horrible form of abuse. The message in this movie is great,
showing we all are a little of every label and none of them.

Loneliness and isolation can break the spirit. I feel the answer lies in reaching out to others. A kind passing word, a smile, an invite to sit. Even the smallest gestures touch the heart and when they happen often enough can change a life.

I am not discounting mental illness of course and the need for treatment.
Maybe the young man who did this shooting had the onset of Schizophrenia which often first appears in young adults without a history of problems.

As far as why men are violent and women usually not, it's probably the testosterone, nature of the beast.
Men are protectors and need the capacity for violence.
Women the nurturers and if they kill normally its gently....by taking away the nurturing/life ...poisoning, suffocation, drowning.

pjhawks

"and the young they can lose hope because they can't see beyond today, and the wisdom that the old can't give away"

looking back it's scary as hell to be a teenager. i wasn't 'that' kid at all but i still felt somewhat alone and like everyone was judging me. I was kind of quiet because i thought everyone would judge me on what i said. I had an amazing family, good friends, played sports but I can clearly remember many days sitting there feeling so alone and lost. Looking back now i realize that is the experience of almost every teenager. I agree with the person above in that I wish we could teach kids to be more open and realize that just a quick smile and hello can really make a world of difference.

Moonpig

blondieblue227 wrote:

pandora wrote:

School and during the young years sets up the judging, classifying, and generalizing of others
that we carry into adult life and on to our own children.
Its a form of prejudice I'd like to see it gone someday, somehow.
Just be a friend and see who that person turns out to be.

exactly.
but if you feel that person is a threat do you feel obligated to find them help and who do you turn to? and will anything be done or will the kid just fall thou the cracks?

but then again, get real. think about what it was like in school. who was/wanted to be friends with the scary/weird kid. nobody. if i remember correctly, if you did reach out to that kid, then nobody wanted to be friends with you.



does anybody know the short answer to this?
Why does it seem it's mostly males on shooting massacres? what do females do when they've flipped their lid?

Here's my answer, don't teach your kids to be as shallow as you

blondieblue227

i'm just recalling what it was like in my high school. i had friends in every group to tell you the truth. i bet it's like that in most high schools.

i feel at times kids can get wrapped up in their own world, we all can for that matter. we need to teach kids and remind ourselves to reach out. look out for one another.

when somebody does need help professionally, it shouldn't be looked upon as a bad thing. i feel this world is so hard, if you DON'T get a little crazy from time to time that's strange. not the other way around.

pandora wrote:

As far as why men are violent and women usually not, it's probably the testosterone, nature of the beast.
Men are protectors and need the capacity for violence.
Women the nurturers and if they kill normally its gently....by taking away the nurturing/life ...poisoning, suffocation, drowning.

that makes sense to me. thanks.

JOEJOEJOE

When we grew up and went to school there were certain teachers who would hurt the children in any way they could.

Byrnzie

Mt teachers sent me to see a psychiatrist when I was at school because I kept causing so much trouble. I was kept behind in detention practically every day for the first two or three years. It got to the point that it felt weird whenever I got to walk home at the same time as everyone else.
I did have fun at school though. It'd be interesting to meet some of my old teachers again.

pandora

Yeah teachers are just people ...good and bad.
I don't think many realize the power they have or maybe some do.
Sarcasm, the polite knife of the intelligent,
attempting to make the trusting and unsuspecting appear to be a fool.
Number one weapon of the bad teachers.

Having known some troubled kids, in my case,
I think they were bored out of their minds in school and
never found that niche to release their hidden talents.
Also found them to be sensitive to the atrocities perpetrated on other students
and even themselves.... this brought a very real disillusionment in the human race at a young age.

blondieblue227

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

When we grew up and went to school there were certain teachers who would hurt the children in any way they could.

in mine too.
verbally abusive.

and some teachers you could tell they hated teaching and/or kids.

this was in 97
and from what i can tell from the news, it's getting worse. test scores, dropout rates, overcrowding, etc.