I've always considered Ten to be Pearl Jam's weakest album, but I still like it over Nevermind. That's not to say that I dislike Nevermind, just that it can't touch anything Pearl Jam has done.
this has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board. I don't think even the hardest core fans, can make a statement like this clown talk...
both are great. nirvana was much more intense emotionally (more like listening to john lennon) and PJ more musically interesting and just fun to hear.
if eddie and kurt were in a band, eddie would be the lead singer and kurt would write most of the songs (and sing a few too).
oh my! That there is like sacrilage! Really .....Eddie singing Kurt's stuff in the context you put it! Nope, never. I could see Eddie singing Kurt's stuff now as a cover out of respect for his art but never if the two had been in a band together do I think it would have been laid out as you indicated.
I appreciated Kurt's artisitic pursuits for what they were but always found him and Nirvana kind of mediocre. Yes yes I know they were influential and paved many roads for bands who came behind them but not every one who is influential is great! It does not take greatness to inspire. A new thought or idea can do this too! And Nirvana's sound wasn't even new. They get way too much credit. I will give them the fact they made the sound of what was to be Seattle area grunge a face and introduced it to the masses but what about all the bands who were bringing that sound long before Nirvana ...... Sonic Youth, Ramones, Sex Pistols etc.
Anyway, to answer the initial question: The answer is Ten!
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Id have to say that ten is a better album to me, been honest i never really got the whole nirvana thing, they wer the first of the "grunge" bands that i heard but now id have to say that i wouldnt listen to them much, AIC, soundgarden, mudhoney and pearl jam are all more appealing to me.
no contest. nirvana's unplugged is a thing of sheer beauty.
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Nevermind, without a doubt in my mind. I personally feel the songs are stronger, more striking. I also feel In Utero is better than Ten and Vs. However, with Vitalogy Pearl Jam put out something superior to either band's output before (or since, I feel). It's interesting to listen to Vitalogy; I think you can hear the impact that Nirvana's more apparent punk leanings had on Eddie when he was writing on that album.
breaking news!!! Pearl Jam fans think Ten better than Nirvana's Nevermind! WOW!!1!1!!
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like one said before: "It's easily 'Ten' for me. I was never much of a Nirvana girl." i always wonder how it could be, that Nirvana was so popular, i have never understood it. Their music is so dark, and... boring, sometimes i think that they couldn't make music, they were so untalented... maybe i'm not just, but that's how i feel.
Sure, You ask PJ fans, so probably the answer is clear, But remember, here are grunge fans too, no only PJ.
Sure, i'm not one of them - if we measure being grunge fan by being Nirvana fan (it was told that Nirvana is leaderof grunge). I listened Alice..., Soundgarden, STP (well, i'm not sure if they were original...) and PJ. And i could never listen Nirvana - maybe because their first song, which i heard was "Smells like teen spirit"... or maybe just because they were sooooo f****ng famous! Voice of the generation, ha!
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Nevermind got me into rock music but I bought Ten about three months later and after that there was no looking back as far as who my favourite band was(Pearl Jam of course)
Nevermind's a much better first listen,only Yield's given me that same 'Holy crap!' experience from the moment I first put it on.When I got Ten I was expecting something like Nirvana,but it was quite different,more spiritual and more extroverted.It took me ages to like Ten but once I did I couldn't get enough of PJ.Personally I think Nirvana would've gotten better as they got older but we'll never know I guess.
Anywho,Smells Like Teen Spirit and Drain You are probably better than anything on Ten and Nevermind is probably more exciting but Ten is more personal,Eddie poured his heart out while Kurt was always vague.
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Why do I say that it is crazy to say Ten is PJ's weakest project? Because that is crazy... I respect everyones opinion on this board, but please...
Get over it. I can easily see how someone could rate it their weakest. Although not me (i personally rate it their 4th best album), i can easily see how some people rate all the other albums above ten - and that doesnt neccessarily mean they dont LIKE ten. different people, different tastes.
EDIT: for the record, my album rankings;
Pearl Jam
No Code
Vitalogy
Ten
Binaural
Riot Act
Vs
Yield
ten all the way. personally i find nirvana uninteresting.
totally agreed. "Vedder's better."
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Personally I think Nirvana would've gotten better as they got older but we'll never know I guess.
I see it quite the opposite. In hindsight it seemed quite obvious that Nirvana was on the verge of breakup anyway. Kurt was in a hell of a downward spiral.
I see it quite the opposite. In hindsight it seemed quite obvious that Nirvana was on the verge of breakup anyway. Kurt was in a hell of a downward spiral.
If Ed had have died after Vs. or Vitalogy you could say the same,what with all the pressures of fame,Dave A leaving,how much he talked about suicide and crazed fan letters in interviews,the whole not doing videos and interviews thing,sueing Ticketmaster and I'm sure people would've read into the lyrics too much in the same way they did when Kurt died(I remember Ed bein asked on MTV after Kurt's death whether or not Rearviewmirror was about suicide).
I think if they had have taken on an REM type of sound like they did on Unplugged with acoustic songs written by Kurt and then the upbeat pop ones written by Dave there'd have been no stopping them,Kurt would've been happy and they would've been the better for it.But that's just speculation I suppose....back to my point,PJ have gotten a lot better down the years for those of us who have followed them and they've done so by changing,I'd imagine Nirvana would've done the same.
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yeah right,no contest my ass!
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oh my! That there is like sacrilage! Really .....Eddie singing Kurt's stuff in the context you put it! Nope, never. I could see Eddie singing Kurt's stuff now as a cover out of respect for his art but never if the two had been in a band together do I think it would have been laid out as you indicated.
I appreciated Kurt's artisitic pursuits for what they were but always found him and Nirvana kind of mediocre. Yes yes I know they were influential and paved many roads for bands who came behind them but not every one who is influential is great! It does not take greatness to inspire. A new thought or idea can do this too! And Nirvana's sound wasn't even new. They get way too much credit. I will give them the fact they made the sound of what was to be Seattle area grunge a face and introduced it to the masses but what about all the bands who were bringing that sound long before Nirvana ...... Sonic Youth, Ramones, Sex Pistols etc.
Anyway, to answer the initial question: The answer is Ten!
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why do you say that?
Nirvana was a Pixies cover band. Nirvana "became a better band" to the masses on April 5th, 1994.
obviously nirvana. pearl jams unplugged sucked.
no contest. nirvana's unplugged is a thing of sheer beauty.
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You nailed it...this is why Nirvana still resounds even to the newer generation of young'uns. It just never loses its intensity and influence.
As much as I like Ten, I agree with you, and I'll take it further, Nevermind is a masterpiece.
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it would've been more interestign if you had asked:
which one's better: Dirt or Ten
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Sure, You ask PJ fans, so probably the answer is clear, But remember, here are grunge fans too, no only PJ.
Sure, i'm not one of them - if we measure being grunge fan by being Nirvana fan (it was told that Nirvana is leaderof grunge). I listened Alice..., Soundgarden, STP (well, i'm not sure if they were original...) and PJ. And i could never listen Nirvana - maybe because their first song, which i heard was "Smells like teen spirit"... or maybe just because they were sooooo f****ng famous! Voice of the generation, ha!
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as much as I hate to admit it
Nevermind's a much better first listen,only Yield's given me that same 'Holy crap!' experience from the moment I first put it on.When I got Ten I was expecting something like Nirvana,but it was quite different,more spiritual and more extroverted.It took me ages to like Ten but once I did I couldn't get enough of PJ.Personally I think Nirvana would've gotten better as they got older but we'll never know I guess.
Anywho,Smells Like Teen Spirit and Drain You are probably better than anything on Ten and Nevermind is probably more exciting but Ten is more personal,Eddie poured his heart out while Kurt was always vague.
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
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EDIT: for the record, my album rankings;
Pearl Jam
No Code
Vitalogy
Ten
Binaural
Riot Act
Vs
Yield
totally agreed. "Vedder's better."
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If Ed had have died after Vs. or Vitalogy you could say the same,what with all the pressures of fame,Dave A leaving,how much he talked about suicide and crazed fan letters in interviews,the whole not doing videos and interviews thing,sueing Ticketmaster and I'm sure people would've read into the lyrics too much in the same way they did when Kurt died(I remember Ed bein asked on MTV after Kurt's death whether or not Rearviewmirror was about suicide).
I think if they had have taken on an REM type of sound like they did on Unplugged with acoustic songs written by Kurt and then the upbeat pop ones written by Dave there'd have been no stopping them,Kurt would've been happy and they would've been the better for it.But that's just speculation I suppose....back to my point,PJ have gotten a lot better down the years for those of us who have followed them and they've done so by changing,I'd imagine Nirvana would've done the same.
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
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