'The War You Don't See' - John Pilger Doc

ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
edited January 2011 in A Moving Train
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The War You Don't See – review

Documentary-maker John Pilger on the grotesque untruth of "weapons of mass destruction" and the cowardliness of the mainstream media taking the official line


4 * out of 5


Peter Bradshaw
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 9 December 2010




Documentary-maker John Pilger has returned to a subject that can't be revived often enough: the grotesque untruth of "weapons of mass destruction": a cloudy concept, eagerly amplified and lent credibility by credulous and submissive journalists who, after 9/11, lost their nerve en masse. Pilger's contention is that on Afghanistan, on Iraq and on Israel and the Palestinian territories, the mainstream media simply take the official line. The force of his film is in its contention that the colossal scale of civilian casualties is, within the grammar of news, downgraded in importance so that it doesn't figure as news at all, but as all-but-invisible deep background to be ignored. Pilger gives due respect to WikiLeaks, although his praise for al-Jazeera's independence is ironic, given that WikiLeaks has just revealed the possibility that the Qatar government is manipulating the channel.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Anyone seen this yet?


    It's very good.
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    I will check out this weekend.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Smellyman wrote:
    I will check out this weekend.

    A festive treat for all the family! :P
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Anyone seen this yet?
  • No. And I won't. I notice your audience has gotten quite small in here... Lots of empty threads....

    Just wanted you to know Byrnzie- I'm still here for ya. 8-)
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    No. And I won't. I notice your audience has gotten quite small in here... Lots of empty threads....

    Just wanted you to know Byrnzie- I'm still here for ya. 8-)

    :yawn:
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Great Docu Byrnzie.

    It's always good to see real reporting and real documentaries.

    We all know the media fails us, but this film just slaps you in the face.

    So many poignant moments. The independent reporters with the real footage inside Iraq is gut wrenching.

    The media saying they love cruise missiles, use more, they love f-18's and warthogs....all the while showing blown to pieces children and families being yanked from their homes.

    Everyone should watch it, but sadly, most will not.

    Best of Times doesn't like his Fox News beliefs challenged so he won't and already has stated that fact. Always a segment of the population will be ignorant. Best of times willfully so.
  • Smellyman wrote:
    Great Docu Byrnzie.

    It's always good to see real reporting and real documentaries.

    We all know the media fails us, but this film just slaps you in the face.

    So many poignant moments. The independent reporters with the real footage inside Iraq is gut wrenching.

    The media saying they love cruise missiles, use more, they love f-18's and warthogs....all the while showing blown to pieces children and families being yanked from their homes.

    Everyone should watch it, but sadly, most will not.

    Best of Times doesn't like his Fox News beliefs challenged so he won't and already has stated that fact. Always a segment of the population will be ignorant. Best of times willfully so.

    That's a cheap shot Smellyman, go take a bath, you stink... 8-)
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Actually just watched the 2nd half. I posted that half way through.

    The 2nd half is even better.

    Best of times, prove me wrong....watch it and give a review.
  • Smellyman wrote:
    Actually just watched the 2nd half. I posted that half way through.

    The 2nd half is even better.

    Best of times, prove me wrong....watch it and give a review.

    After you're insult? Go FXXX yourself.
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Smellyman wrote:
    Actually just watched the 2nd half. I posted that half way through.

    The 2nd half is even better.

    Best of times, prove me wrong....watch it and give a review.

    After you're insult? Go FXXX yourself.

    Ok don't....

    after my "are" insult...lol





    willfully ignorant.
  • Grammar nazi's impress no one.. typo's happen.

    and you are a douche. :lol:





    8-)
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Grammar nazi's impress no one.. typo's happen.

    and you are a douche. :lol:





    8-)
    Byrnzie wrote:
    yosi wrote:
    Discredited if his ideas merit discredit. But that judgement can only be made after engaging openly with what has been written.

    I prefer to know who I'm reading. My perogative.


    you spelled PREROGATIVE wrong. :mrgreen:

    :lol::lol:
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  • Damn it. :mrgreen:

    Touche.
  • But, I have to say, I've never once looked in any of your profiles to find something that you said in the past- I just don't care about you or your opinions enough....

    Its like you guys have a team of lawyers working round the clock to combat my superior intellect- I saw where some idiot with a name like Prince's unisex symbol started a thread based on 1 of my comments- an ignorant attempt, but still- a form of flattery.

    Just send your panties to my Fan Club PO Box like all the other crazies.... 8-)
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    But, I have to say, I've never once looked in any of your profiles to find something that you said in the past- I just don't care about you or your opinions enough....

    Its like you guys have a team of lawyers working round the clock to combat my superior intellect- I saw where some idiot with a name like Prince's unisex symbol started a thread based on 1 of my comments- an ignorant attempt, but still- a form of flattery.

    Just send your panties to my Fan Club PO Box like all the other crazies.... 8-)

    nah, its just fun to point out your inconsistencies and contradictory posts... mostly because you make it so easy. 8-)
    Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)
  • But, I have to say, I've never once looked in any of your profiles to find something that you said in the past- I just don't care about you or your opinions enough....

    Its like you guys have a team of lawyers working round the clock to combat my superior intellect- I saw where some idiot with a name like Prince's unisex symbol started a thread based on 1 of my comments- an ignorant attempt, but still- a form of flattery.

    Just send your panties to my Fan Club PO Box like all the other crazies.... 8-)

    nah, its just fun to point out your inconsistencies and contradictory posts... mostly because you make it so easy. 8-)

    Grammar nazi contradictions... ok. I admit it's hard to resist at times. But I doubt you'll find contradictions in substance.

    I'm fairly set in my ways. 8-)
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I'm fairly set in my ways. 8-)

    Unfortunatley not everyone evolves beyond egocentrism at around the age of 10. Some of us carry this perspective on the world into adulthood.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egocentrism

    Egocentrism


    In psychology, egocentrism is defined as

    * the incomplete differentiation of the self and the world, including other people and
    * the tendency to perceive, understand and interpret the world in terms of the self.

    The term derives from the Greek and Latin ἑγώ / ego, meaning "I," "me," and "self". An egocentric person cannot fully empathize, i.e. "put himself in other peoples' shoes," and believes everyone sees what she/he sees (or that what he/she sees, in some way, exceeds what others see).

    It appears that this egocentric stance towards the world is present mostly in younger children. They are unable to separate their own beliefs, thoughts and ideas from others. For example, if a child sees that there is candy in a box, he assumes that someone else walking into the room also knows that there is candy in that box. He implicitly reasons that "since I know it, you know it too". As stated previously this may be rooted in the limitations in the child's theory of mind skills. However, it does not mean that children are unable to put themselves in someone else's shoes. As far as feelings are concerned, it is shown that children exhibit empathy early on and are able to cooperate with others and be aware of their needs and wants.

    Jean Piaget (1896-1980) claimed that young children are egocentric. This does not mean that they are selfish, but that they do not have the mental ability to understand that other people may have different opinions and beliefs from themselves. With his colleague Barbel Inhelder, Piaget did a test to investigate egocentrism called the mountains study. He put children in front of a simple plaster mountain range and then asked them to pick from four pictures the view that he, Piaget, would see.

    Younger children before age 7, during the so-called pre-operational stage, picked the picture of the view they themselves saw and were therefore found to lack the ability to appreciate a viewpoint different from their own. In other words, their way of reasoning was egocentric. Only when entering the so-called concrete-operational stage at age 7-12, children became capable of de-centering and could appreciate viewpoints other than their own. In other words, they were capable of cognitive perspective-taking.

    Egocentrism is thus the child's inability to see other people's viewpoints. The child at this stage of cognitive development assumes that their view of the world is the same as other people's, e.g. a little girl does not understand that taking another child's ball is wrong because she views the ball as hers.

    The behaviors of an egocentric person are much of the time compulsive. "Without ropes they bind themselves" said Lao Tzu. They see themselves in competition with others and since the ego is so vulnerable and sensitive they are compelled towards defensiveness and self justification. They are compelled to impress others with their talents- meaning their looks, machismo, charm-much more so than someone who is focused on external things such as a helping profession. The egocentric is shallow, often lacking the staying power to achieve long range goals. Defensive, easily angered, jealous, they suffer living in the comparatively small world of fragile ego. Egocentrism can be beneficial though: it has been suggested that in close relationships, egocentrism predicts feelings of being understood by the other person and thereby increased levels of satisfaction with the relationship.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Anyone seen this yet?


    It's very good.

    I'll see if I can Netflix it.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    whygohome wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Anyone seen this yet?


    It's very good.

    I'll see if I can Netflix it.

    Nope. It's not on Netflix. I had to try though, because I hate watching films on my laptop.
  • Grammar nazi's impress no one.. typo's happen.

    I'm sorry - I'm not trying to impress, but as a card-holding Grammar Nazi I can't let this go.

    Plurals don't take apostophes. Ever. It's "Nazis", not "nazi's" and "typos, not "typo's".



    Byrnzie, can't wait to check out the doc - thanks for posting it. John Pilger is an extraordinary journalist.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Byrnzie, can't wait to check out the doc - thanks for posting it. John Pilger is an extraordinary journalist.

    No probs. It's a good one.
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