Health Care Law Declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Best of Times

Health Care Law Declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL by Federal Judge in VA.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101213/ap_ ... l_virginia

Ouch. Expect this one to go all the way to US Supreme Court, but this isn't a good sign for fans of this legislation.

It is unconstitutional for the Fed to mandate that a private citizen purchase a product, good or service.

It's 101 stuff.

ADDED: Obamacare support hit ALL-TIME low!!!

http://www.examiner.com/republican-in-w ... l-time-low

Godfather.

Best of Times wrote:

Health Care Law Declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL by Federal Judge in VA.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101213/ap_ ... l_virginia

Ouch. Expect this one to go all the way to US Supreme Court, but this isn't a good sign for fans of this legislation.

It is unconstitutional for the Fed to mandate that a private citizen purchase a product, good or service.

It's 101 stuff.

:thumbup:

Godfather.

sweet adeline

it's also a law that you must carry a certain amount of auto insurance to be able to drive a car, but that's not being challenged.

Godfather.

sweet adeline wrote:

it's also a law that you must carry a certain amount of auto insurance to be able to drive a car, but that's not being challenged.

I was thinking that very same thing but I also thought auto insurance covers the victims in a crash so that is a little scetchy.....but then again the insurance company's almost force you to buy "uninsured motorist coverage"
what is a crock of shit in my opinion.

Godfather.

mikepegg44

sweet adeline wrote:

it's also a law that you must carry a certain amount of auto insurance to be able to drive a car, but that's not being challenged.

that is state law...10th amendment grants the states police powers...not the federal government.

Best of Times

sweet adeline wrote:

it's also a law that you must carry a certain amount of auto insurance to be able to drive a car, but that's not being challenged.

That's a STATE LAW.

BIG difference.

Electric_Delta

sweet adeline wrote:

it's also a law that you must carry a certain amount of auto insurance to be able to drive a car, but that's not being challenged.

Maybe Congress can get that overturned, too...especially at the rate they are undermining state sovereignties.

sweet adeline

mikepegg44 wrote:

sweet adeline wrote:

it's also a law that you must carry a certain amount of auto insurance to be able to drive a car, but that's not being challenged.

that is state law...10th amendment grants the states police powers...not the federal government.

are there any states that don't require it? may as well be a federal law.

mikepegg44

sweet adeline wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

sweet adeline wrote:

it's also a law that you must carry a certain amount of auto insurance to be able to drive a car, but that's not being challenged.

that is state law...10th amendment grants the states police powers...not the federal government.

are there any states that don't require it? may as well be a federal law.

wisconsin didn't up until last year I believe...not sure about now. I do know that each state has varying requirements

BinauralJam

This is Awesome, maybe it can be overturned before going into effect.

mikepegg44

BinauralJam wrote:

This is Awesome, maybe it can be overturned before going into effect.

they will just take out, or change the language and tie Medicaid/medicare funding to a states requirement of purchase of insurance...similar to highway funding and drinking age

from wiki:
Federal Uniform Drinking Age Act, was passed on July 17, 1984 by the United States Congress as a mechanism whereby all states would become thereafter required to legislate and enforce the age of 21 years as a minimum age for purchasing and publicly possessing alcoholic beverages. Under the Federal Aid Highway Act, a state not enforcing the minimum age would be subjected to a ten percent decrease in its annual federal highway apportionment.

it will happen one way or another...they should just go single payor system and quit this nonsense

blackredyellow

mikepegg44 wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

This is Awesome, maybe it can be overturned before going into effect.

they will just take out, or change the language and tie Medicaid/medicare funding to a states requirement of purchase of insurance...similar to highway funding and drinking age

from wiki:
Federal Uniform Drinking Age Act, was passed on July 17, 1984 by the United States Congress as a mechanism whereby all states would become thereafter required to legislate and enforce the age of 21 years as a minimum age for purchasing and publicly possessing alcoholic beverages. Under the Federal Aid Highway Act, a state not enforcing the minimum age would be subjected to a ten percent decrease in its annual federal highway apportionment.

it will happen one way or another...they should just go single payor system and quit this nonsense

Yeah... it's just going to be an ugly partisan bickering fight that pays a lot of lawyers for a lot of hours of work... in the end, the federal gov't will change some language or like the drinking age/highway funding, add some strings to the federal medicare money or whatever...

sweet adeline

mikepegg44 wrote:

wisconsin didn't up until last year I believe...not sure about now. I do know that each state has varying requirements

cool, thanks.

Best of Times

ADDED: Obamacare support hit ALL-TIME low!!!

http://www.examiner.com/republican-in-w ... l-time-low

How can anyone say with a straight face that this is poular or necessary?

blackredyellow

Best of Times wrote:

ADDED: Obamacare support hit ALL-TIME low!!!

http://www.examiner.com/republican-in-w ... l-time-low

How can anyone say with a straight face that this is poular or necessary?

Well, something does need to be done with health insurance... For those of us with coverage (through our jobs), premiums are rising every year and coverage is dropping. I think most of us can see that with our own insurance. And for those without full time jobs, it can be very hard and very expensive to get coverage.

But this bloated bill doesn't do a whole lot to help either of those issues...


Why we can't just get to a single payer system is beyond me... well, I guess the billions and billions of dollars that private insurance companies pay our political system assures that will never happen. Health insurance companies piss me off to no end... Most of the money we pay them for health coverage goes to marketing, doctor payoffs, political fights and huge executive compensation... but the right still claims that somehow the private sector is more efficient then the gov't would be. Go figure...

Electric_Delta

blackredyellow wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

ADDED: Obamacare support hit ALL-TIME low!!!

http://www.examiner.com/republican-in-w ... l-time-low

How can anyone say with a straight face that this is poular or necessary?

Well, something does need to be done with health insurance... For those of us with coverage (through our jobs), premiums are rising every year and coverage is dropping. I think most of us can see that with our own insurance. And for those without full time jobs, it can be very hard and very expensive to get coverage.

But this bloated bill doesn't do a whole lot to help either of those issues...


Why we can't just get to a single payer system is beyond me... well, I guess the billions and billions of dollars that private insurance companies pay our political system assures that will never happen. Health insurance companies piss me off to no end... Most of the money we pay them for health coverage goes to marketing, doctor payoffs, political fights and huge executive compensation... but the right still claims that somehow the private sector is more efficient then the gov't would be. Go figure...

The government is efficient? Seriously????
This is the same government now in debt for 12 trillion dollars.... :roll:

Cosmo

Okay...
so... questions...
What happens to people that don't have Health Care Insurance?
Should they get treatment?
Should they be left to die?
What if they do get treatment and be billed?
What if they can't and/or won't pay the bill? What happens to them? Nothing?
...
Also, should we continue to let insurance companies collect premiums for years... then, drop the claimant if he/she files a claim?
Should we continue to let insurance company accountants decide who get coverage and who doesn't?
Should we continue with the status quo and let the costs of Health Care affect all of us?
What would you like to see Health Care in America look like?
...
You all seem to have opinions... can you answer my questions, please?

mikepegg44

Cosmo wrote:

Okay...
so... questions...
What happens to people that don't have Health Care Insurance? not sure what you mean, normally they are seen in an emergency room or they pay out of pocket for clinic visits
Should they get treatment? yes.
Should they be left to die? no.
What if they do get treatment and be billed? Yes they should pay for the treatments.
What if they can't and/or won't pay the bill? What happens to them? Nothing? Same as any other bill they get bad credit I suppose also my guess is if it is enough money they get judgments against them and then liens are put in place to garnish wages or worse. Also, states like Minnesota have medicaid programs for emergency medical services that cost a lot of money. for instance, surgeries, accidents, traumatic brain injuries and the like. It can be applied for after the fact.
...
Also, should we continue to let insurance companies collect premiums for years... then, drop the claimant if he/she files a claim? Insurance companies are bad at business and if it wasn't for the protection of the fed/state governments, they would have been out of business long ago.
Should we continue to let insurance company accountants decide who get coverage and who doesn't? Someone will always be making that decision, no matter who is paying.
Should we continue with the status quo and let the costs of Health Care affect all of us? No, we should absolutely change, first by changing what is legal in regards to covering your insured patients, and secondly by opening up the restrictions and allowing health insurance to cross state lines
What would you like to see Health Care in America look like? single payer, but with it now next to impossible, I would like there to be competition across state lines, or more knowledge in the market about the benefits of a Health Savings Account type of plan. Tax benefits to employers who provide their employees with an outstanding set of benefits. I would like to see many things done differently, but I do not pretend to know how to make all the proper changes, I just know this bill in its current form will do nothing to stop rising premiums and protect the consumer.
...
You all seem to have opinions... can you answer my questions, please? I did my best

ONCE DEVIDED

THEY DONT GIVE A SHIT
they are just greedy people who do not care for others, only themselves.
Hey their company paid their insurance etc. who cares if that young boy down the road has a disease. They dont
I think its sick and quite indicative of american society
ME FIRST YoU GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY

Cosmo wrote:

Okay...
so... questions...
What happens to people that don't have Health Care Insurance?
Should they get treatment?
Should they be left to die?
What if they do get treatment and be billed?
What if they can't and/or won't pay the bill? What happens to them? Nothing?
...
Also, should we continue to let insurance companies collect premiums for years... then, drop the claimant if he/she files a claim?
Should we continue to let insurance company accountants decide who get coverage and who doesn't?
Should we continue with the status quo and let the costs of Health Care affect all of us?
What would you like to see Health Care in America look like?
...
You all seem to have opinions... can you answer my questions, please?

blackredyellow

Electric_Delta wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

ADDED: Obamacare support hit ALL-TIME low!!!

http://www.examiner.com/republican-in-w ... l-time-low

How can anyone say with a straight face that this is poular or necessary?

Well, something does need to be done with health insurance... For those of us with coverage (through our jobs), premiums are rising every year and coverage is dropping. I think most of us can see that with our own insurance. And for those without full time jobs, it can be very hard and very expensive to get coverage.

But this bloated bill doesn't do a whole lot to help either of those issues...


Why we can't just get to a single payer system is beyond me... well, I guess the billions and billions of dollars that private insurance companies pay our political system assures that will never happen. Health insurance companies piss me off to no end... Most of the money we pay them for health coverage goes to marketing, doctor payoffs, political fights and huge executive compensation... but the right still claims that somehow the private sector is more efficient then the gov't would be. Go figure...

The government is efficient? Seriously????
This is the same government now in debt for 12 trillion dollars.... :roll:

I never said they didn't spend too much money, but if we're talking about dollars spent vs health care services provided, then yes the government would be much more efficient.

unsung

I still baffled as to why the unions, that supported and drove this into law, are now applying to opt out of it.

Anyone know?