Obama/GOP Tax Cut Deal will Cost 900+Billion The 2nd Stimulu

Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
edited December 2010 in A Moving Train
The Obama / GOP deal will Cost 900+Billion and all of that will be added to the Deficit- Just image if the GOP wasn't about cutting the deficit! :shock: :shock: Good thing they were elected to cut the spending... :roll:
This has now been coined as the Second Stimulus!

Here's more or less how it's broken down:

* Extending the broad-based Bush tax cuts (for the bottom 98%): $360 billion cost, 940,000 new jobs
* Payroll tax cuts (2 percentage-point reduction): $120 billion cost, 700,000 new jobs
* Unemployment insurance extension: $56 billion cost, 520,000 new jobs
* Bonus tax cuts for top 2%: $120 billion cost, 290,000 new jobs
* 100% expensing/bonus depreciation: $180 billion cost, 260,000 new jobs
* Refundable low-income tax credits: $38 billion cost, 220,000 new jobs
* Business extenders such as R&D tax credit: $80 billion cost, 160,000 new jobs


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  • Nittany1bnNittany1bn Near Philadelphia Posts: 214
    Amazingly, President Obama calls this a "compromise" when all he has done is cave in to every demand made by the GOP. He gave away the store to restore unemployment insurance without extending benefits for the long-term unemployed; which would have happened any way. Why cave now? The Democrats still hold a majority in both houses of Congress for another month. Had he stuck to his guns the Republicans would have HAD to give in to not extending the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% of earners. The main plank in the GOP platform is tax cuts, they wouldn't want to be responsible for raising taxes on 98% of the country just to protect the very rich. President Obama should have called their bluff; they have been holding up progress in Congress for 2 years and would look like petty fools if they let the tax cuts expire. Cutting taxes is what they do, it is how they won the mid-terms, and it would be a disaster for their party to raise taxes. To give in to the GOP before they take control of the House of Representatives is a waving of the white flag, and may doom The President to a single term. Extention of unemployment and extention of middle class tax cuts would have happened regardless, because they are both good things for our economy (no matter what side you're on politically).
  • Not only that, but after "compromising" with the GOP and extending the tax cuts to the top 2%, Michelle Bachmann is saying the GOP STILL might not support extending the unemployment benefits.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    Not only that, but after "compromising" with the GOP and extending the tax cuts to the top 2%, Michelle Bachmann is saying the GOP STILL might not support extending the unemployment benefits.


    Yeah - No F'ing kidding here is what Christine O’Donnell said,
    "the extension of jobless benefits a “tragedy,” comparing it to Pearl Harbor and the death of Elizabeth Edwards:

    “Today marks a lot of tragedy. … Tragedy comes in threes,” O’Donnell said. “Pearl Harbor, Elizabeth Edwards’s passing and Barack Obama’s announcement of extending the tax cuts, which is good, but also extending the unemployment benefits.”

    This is what people voted for! Now lets see them come on this thread and defend the 900+billion! How American is that!?!
  • tonifig8 wrote:
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    Not only that, but after "compromising" with the GOP and extending the tax cuts to the top 2%, Michelle Bachmann is saying the GOP STILL might not support extending the unemployment benefits.


    Yeah - No F'ing kidding here is what Christine O’Donnell said,
    "the extension of jobless benefits a “tragedy,” comparing it to Pearl Harbor and the death of Elizabeth Edwards:

    “Today marks a lot of tragedy. … Tragedy comes in threes,” O’Donnell said. “Pearl Harbor, Elizabeth Edwards’s passing and Barack Obama’s announcement of extending the tax cuts, which is good, but also extending the unemployment benefits.”

    This is what people voted for! Now lets see them come on this thread and defend the 900+billion! How American is that!?!

    Sounds about par for the course: Extending tax cuts to benefit the rich = good. Extending unemployment benefits to help the poor = bad. The Republicans are the party who got America into the mess it's in, and now they're refusing to help the people whose lives they've ruined. Way to stick up for the little guy.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    Is the GOP about deficit Reduction?
    Is the GOP fighting for the Middle Class?

    Who is really benefiting from all of this?
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    it is money they never had...it doesn't cost them anything...

    they are keeping tax rates the same as they are now on individuals, what is wrong with that? why do taxes need to go up on anyone...the government got themselves into this with irresponsible spending, and they should get out of it at a cost to themselves, not the American taxpayer.

    if they just did away with the god damn loopholes they keep in the tax code for everyone they would get a lot more in "revenue", they could also move to a VAT tax, or some other way of doing it. Earned income of individuals should not be a primary source of "revenue" for the government, taxing goods and services is a much better way, as they will get there money from businesses but also from consumers making a choice to buy products. Individuals' income should be taxed as minimally as possible
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    How does it "COST" anything?

    These tax cuts are already in place. That is a very wrong and misleading statement.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • How does it "COST" anything?

    These tax cuts are already in place. That is a very wrong and misleading statement.

    opportunity cost.

    they have an opportunity for this tax revenue by letting the tax cuts expire. so yes, it is costing something.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    How does it "COST" anything?

    These tax cuts are already in place. That is a very wrong and misleading statement.

    opportunity cost.

    they have an opportunity for this tax revenue by letting the tax cuts expire. so yes, it is costing something.

    Letting the tax cut expire simply removes any responsibility of our government to follow a budget of any kind. That is what needs changed. Allowing these tax cuts to expire is the equivalent of allowing someone to give themselves a pay raise to spend more $.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,298

    Letting the tax cut expire simply removes any responsibility of our government to follow a budget of any kind. That is what needs changed. Allowing these tax cuts to expire is the equivalent of allowing someone to give themselves a pay raise to spend more $.
    That's assuming they don't try to pay off their debt that everyone agrees is out of control.
    Besides, the responsibility of our gov to follow a budget seems to be more of a political talking point than anything...surprisingly by republicans. I always saw that party as one for fiscal responsibility. :?
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    mca47 wrote:

    Letting the tax cut expire simply removes any responsibility of our government to follow a budget of any kind. That is what needs changed. Allowing these tax cuts to expire is the equivalent of allowing someone to give themselves a pay raise to spend more $.
    That's assuming they don't try to pay off their debt that everyone agrees is out of control.
    Besides, the responsibility of our gov to follow a budget seems to be more of a political talking point than anything...surprisingly by republicans. I always saw that party as one for fiscal responsibility. :?


    No kidding, those Repubs need to get their heads out of their collective ass and stop spending like mad.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    tonifig8 wrote:
    Is the GOP about deficit Reduction?
    Is the GOP fighting for the Middle Class?

    Who is really benefiting from all of this?

    1. No, they are about hamstringing the president and stalling any real progress at all costs until the house majority takes over. they do not care about cutting spending. look at the tea party caucus that asked for $1 billion in earmarks in the "tea party hypocracy" the thread last week.

    2. NO. they voted against a standalone bill to keep only middle class tax cuts. they are all about their rich base and their votes prove that.

    who is benefitting? not the average american, and that is the truth.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    I still can't understand how some people are supportive of raising taxes when all the other threads are about how horrible the US government is and how wasteful they are.
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  • How does it "COST" anything?

    These tax cuts are already in place. That is a very wrong and misleading statement.


    Well said. I also agree w/ MikePegg on everything but the VAT tax. In UK they have abused that like our gov't abused Social Security. Anytime the gov't needs a little more money- always - they raise the VAT tax. I think it's over 15% now!!

    This is OUR money!!! I work hard for it- and I'm tired of politicians stealing it!!!
  • I'm not ecstatic about this, but now is not the time for indecision. If it weren't for the economy, I would be for tax increase to all, and a huge cut in spending all across the board including health care and military. It has to be done eventually. We must sacrifice to fix this for the youth. On a side note. I think current unemployment policy is bs. Those getting a check should have to do community service.....something.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,054
    Highest tax rates if the tax cuts were not extended:

    Ordinary income (including dividends) = 39.6%
    Medicare tax on wages in 2013 = .9%
    Medicare tax on net investment income = 3.8%

    Total federal tax rate = 44.3%

    Assumed state rate = 6%

    Total income tax rate = 50.3% (and does not include FICA, medicare, sales tax, gasoline tax, etc...)

    Estate tax rate = 55%

    How can anyone support taxes this high? We are throwing our money away to the government.
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