6+million Unemloyed

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6+million unemployed and looking- That number is suppose to go higher....
I think someone on the board said that there were 51 job openings near there area ....... Does anyone else know where there are an additional 5,999,949 job openings? Or at least another 51 jobs?


Screw the unemployment benefits - that's going to cost us to much.... Just bust out the bread and water and start forming a line..........that's enough to keep them alive.....after all we are America - we need to show that we are sympathetic.....
We need to use that money to give ultra rich a 700 billion tax cut - that they desperately need.....

Jason P

tonifig8 wrote:

6+million unemployed and looking- That number is suppose to go higher....
I think someone on the board said that there were 51 job openings near there area ....... Does anyone else know where there are an additional 5,999,949 job openings? Or at least another 51 jobs?


Screw the unemployment benefits - that's going to cost us to much.... Just bust out the bread and water and start forming a line..........that's enough to keep them alive.....after all we are America - we need to show that we are sympathetic.....
We need to use that money to give ultra rich a 700 billion tax cut - that they desperately need.....

How long do you propose extending unemployment benefits?

Jokertt14

and growing more everyday .

Electric_Delta

tonifig8 wrote:

6+million unemployed and looking- That number is suppose to go higher....
I think someone on the board said that there were 51 job openings near there area ....... Does anyone else know where there are an additional 5,999,949 job openings? Or at least another 51 jobs?


Screw the unemployment benefits - that's going to cost us to much.... Just bust out the bread and water and start forming a line..........that's enough to keep them alive.....after all we are America - we need to show that we are sympathetic.....
We need to use that money to give ultra rich a 700 billion tax cut - that they desperately need.....

How do you propose paying for the benefit extension?

Boxes&Books

Jason P wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

6+million unemployed and looking- That number is suppose to go higher....
I think someone on the board said that there were 51 job openings near there area ....... Does anyone else know where there are an additional 5,999,949 job openings? Or at least another 51 jobs?


Screw the unemployment benefits - that's going to cost us to much.... Just bust out the bread and water and start forming a line..........that's enough to keep them alive.....after all we are America - we need to show that we are sympathetic.....
We need to use that money to give ultra rich a 700 billion tax cut - that they desperately need.....

How long do you propose extending unemployment benefits?

How do you propose paying for the benefit extension?

I thought 99 weeks was good, but there are real people out there who are not abusing the system who really can't find jobs- I heard a study today that said, people who have been unemployed for over a yr have a 5% (not exactly sure on the exact num, but it was low) chance of finding a job- A lot of employers don't want to hire people who have been unemployed for that long of a period. Plus for every one opening there are 10-5 people applying for the job. I say extend it for an additional 8 weeks and investigate or at least do random screenings for those applying for it. 310 a week is peanuts, compared to what we waste as a nation. But obviously it needs to be seriously inspected/evaluated..... this is a hug conversation....

Paying for it can come from many different places- I'm one of those guys who thinks the US should stop giving Israel billions of dollars, stop spending trillions on a war, increases taxes for those in the wealthiest 2% (back to the Clinton era), tax the shit out of congress, use some of the stimulus funds that remain, cut defense spending, earmarks, etc...etc..etc.... The money is every where - the country spends it on worthless shit all the time .......this would be a great cause...especially during this time.....
What is currently happen is that people who haven't reached 99 weeks have been cut off- Yeah some people are probably abusing the system, but how many scum bag politicians or CEO's aren't rapping the shit out of the American people? Again this conversation could go into different channels and can go on forever - but the fact of the matter is that the money is there....... and we waste it on bullshit every day....so let's at least help the average citizen with 310 bucks........

if not, then start handing out bread and water..... and get ready for class warfare!

youngster

I would say that the majority of people recieving an unemployment check spend that money on groceries, goods and other items that stimulate the economy. I was unemployed for 4 months earlier this year (thankfully I have been employed for 9 months now) and I have to be honest, I was recieving max unemployment plus 2 dependant benefits and I was recieving $700/week on unemployment. Not a whole lot of incentive for me to get a job and make $500-600/week working when I get more not working. Maybe you can blame the system for that but seriously, do you blame me? Would you take a paycut to work vs. unemployment? I am fortunate to have a job that pays more than $700/week so I feel that all my years of working and paying into the system with my tax dollars earn me the right to hold out for as long as I can to find a decent, well-paying job to help support my family.

KDH12

My job plan

Eliminate self service gas stations...... eliminate self service everything....for that matter


Take all the gas stations in the country and times that by 5, and that would equal the number of jobs created

gimmesometruth27

KDH12 wrote:

My job plan

Eliminate self service gas stations...... eliminate self service everything....for that matter


Take all the gas stations in the country and times that by 5, and that would equal the number of jobs created

also, do away with automated systems answering phones for customer service. you can't even speak to a human being when you call a bank, credit card company, cable company, phone company, electric company to report a power outage, etc. that would create a million or more jobs there.

gimmesometruth27

more troubling news on the jobs front.

i wanted to post this chart here but it is too large, so you will have to click the link to see it.

this chart shows the percent of job losses in post WW II recessions. this is the worst post WWII recession with regard to jobs lost. by far. it is scary for sure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/0 ... 92202.html

unsung

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

My job plan

Eliminate self service gas stations...... eliminate self service everything....for that matter


Take all the gas stations in the country and times that by 5, and that would equal the number of jobs created

also, do away with automated systems answering phones for customer service. you can't even speak to a human being when you call a bank, credit card company, cable company, phone company, electric company to report a power outage, etc. that would create a million or more jobs there.

Bring back the outsourced jobs from India, imagine all of those jobs. Any "green" job funded by taxpayer money should only have US made parts/supplies.

As far as the gas stations there is a state that it is unlawful for the car owner to pump their own gas. I can't remember which though.

gimmesometruth27

unsung wrote:

Bring back the outsourced jobs from India, imagine all of those jobs. Any "green" job funded by taxpayer money should only have US made parts/supplies.

As far as the gas stations there is a state that it is unlawful for the car owner to pump their own gas. I can't remember which though.

i agree with these. i would love for those jobs to come back from india and china, but i doubt that is going to happen because labor is cheaper overseas, and we can not force these companies to bring those jobs back. we can offer tax incentives, but that is not going to really help the economy.

we are in bad shape, and i am worried that there is no fixing it.

unsung

If you offered tax incentives to bring those jobs back it would put people back to work, get them off unemployment, and get them paying back into the system.

I'd say that is a really good start.

Jeanwah

unsung wrote:

As far as the gas stations there is a state that it is unlawful for the car owner to pump their own gas. I can't remember which though.

New Jersey.

unsung wrote:

If you offered tax incentives to bring those jobs back it would put people back to work, get them off unemployment, and get them paying back into the system.

I'd say that is a really good start.

Yeah, great idea, but they'll never do this. Because it'll cost companies more money. And the point of outsourcing is the tax breaks and the extra money in the business's bottom line (which equals more money in the CEO's pocket). This is MUCH more important than the the health of the U.S. economy and lowering the unemployment rate.

Jason P

It looks like the Democrats and Republicans may be close to a compromise that extends both unemployment benefits and also extends the current tax rates to every American. I'm hopeful that they can pull it off as it would be a win/win solution.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/GOP-Dems-nearing-deal-on-apf-3635579613.html?x=0

Boxes&Books

Jason P wrote:

It looks like the Democrats and Republicans may be close to a compromise that extends both unemployment benefits and also extends the current tax rates to every American. I'm hopeful that they can pull it off as it would be a win/win solution.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/GOP-Dems-nearing-deal-on-apf-3635579613.html?x=0

Awesome!!! :P :P Tax payers have to pay 700 Billion for the wealthiest 2% to get additional breaks! Wow- I'm so happy for those 2%!! :P :P :P
In return "some" of those 6+million unemployed people get 310 a week!for an additional 4 weeks!! :P Yaaaaahhhhooooo!!!

Jason P

tonifig8 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

It looks like the Democrats and Republicans may be close to a compromise that extends both unemployment benefits and also extends the current tax rates to every American. I'm hopeful that they can pull it off as it would be a win/win solution.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/GOP-Dems-nearing-deal-on-apf-3635579613.html?x=0

Awesome!!! :P :P Tax payers have to pay 700 Billion for the wealthiest 2% to get additional breaks! Wow- I'm so happy for those 2%!! :P :P :P
In return "some" of those 6+million unemployed people get 310 a week!for an additional 4 weeks!! :P Yaaaaahhhhooooo!!!

They are looking to extend the benefits for a year, not four weeks. In return, the current tax level will be extended two years.

Also, the wealthiest 2% will not be getting additional tax breaks as far as I know. They are staying at the current tax level, just like every other US citizen if the compromise is reached.

At the very least, this is one of the few occasions that I've actually witnessed the two sides negotiate a compromise. And it will be nice to move forward and argue, er, I mean discuss other issues like the START program with Russia.

Cheer up, it's Xmas time. :wave:

Electric_Delta

Jason P wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

It looks like the Democrats and Republicans may be close to a compromise that extends both unemployment benefits and also extends the current tax rates to every American. I'm hopeful that they can pull it off as it would be a win/win solution.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/GOP-Dems-nearing-deal-on-apf-3635579613.html?x=0

Awesome!!! :P :P Tax payers have to pay 700 Billion for the wealthiest 2% to get additional breaks! Wow- I'm so happy for those 2%!! :P :P :P
In return "some" of those 6+million unemployed people get 310 a week!for an additional 4 weeks!! :P Yaaaaahhhhooooo!!!

They are looking to extend the benefits for a year, not four weeks. Cheer up, it's Xmas time. :wave:

Where does it end? I am overwhelmed by this. Simply overwhelmed.

Boxes&Books

Jason P wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

It looks like the Democrats and Republicans may be close to a compromise that extends both unemployment benefits and also extends the current tax rates to every American. I'm hopeful that they can pull it off as it would be a win/win solution.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/GOP-Dems-nearing-deal-on-apf-3635579613.html?x=0

Awesome!!! :P :P Tax payers have to pay 700 Billion for the wealthiest 2% to get additional breaks! Wow- I'm so happy for those 2%!! :P :P :P
In return "some" of those 6+million unemployed people get 310 a week!for an additional 4 weeks!! :P Yaaaaahhhhooooo!!!

They are looking to extend the benefits for a year, not four weeks. In return, the current tax level will be extended two years.

Also, the wealthiest 2% will not be getting additional tax breaks as far as I know. They are staying at the current tax level, just like every other US citizen if the compromise is reached.

At the very least, this is one of the few occasions that I've actually witnessed the two sides negotiate a compromise. And it will be nice to move forward and argue, er, I mean discuss other issues like the START program with Russia.

Cheer up, it's Xmas time. :wave:

It ends at 99 weeks-
This is simply adding to those who haven't reached 99 weeks.
I think everyone pays into this insurance- So for the first 26 weeks it's money you basically saved- after that the Fed/State helps out.

Cheer up, Really?
Do the math ....lets say 6 million of those folks were all about to receive 99 weeks of benefits- Which in all reality less then 3 million of those folks are going to benefit from this.....Remember also that 26 weeks of benefits basically comes out of the individuals pocket...... and I'm not subtracting that from the total.....this is hypothetical for 6 million people making 310 a week - Also note that 310 wouldn't even be enough to pay the rent and not everyone receives 310, most get less.


99 weeks (2yrs) x $310 x 6 million unemployed = 184,140,000,000 billion - most of this money, if not all will go right back to the Gov and stimulate the economy cause these people have to F'ing eat- :roll:

How much will it cost the tax payer to give 2% of the population additional tax cuts? 700,000,000,000

now I'm not expert on this, so feel free to correct me .... this is simply how I look at it.

I'm starting to cheer up! And I'm pretty sure 6 million unemployed American's are also starting to cheer up. :P
thanks!

Jason P

tonifig8 wrote:

...............
How much will it cost the tax payer to give 2% of the population additional tax cuts? 700,000,000,000
...............

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe 2% or the other 98% will see any additional tax cuts. The current tax rates will stay the same and be extended for two years. If tax rates are increased, then it would bring in an additional $700B, but that is make-believe money unless the government allows the tax cuts to expire (and it will be more then $700B because we will all be paying more).

Are you content with paying more to the government? I'm not.

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Republicans Playing Grinch With Unemployment Benefits Right Before The Holidays

With Senate Republicans killing an extension of unemployment benefits Saturday in a 53-36 vote, I thought I’d share some of my inconsolable rage. First off, given that unemployment benefits have a multiplier effect of 1.64 for every dollar spent, this is clearly another attempt by the Republicans to sabotage any hope of a real economic recovery. Permanently extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy only has a multiplier effect of 0.29 for every dollar spent. But let’s forget the negative macroeconomic impact of this despicable obstruction on the part of the Republicans for a second.

If unemployment benefits are not extended soon, millions of struggling parents in this country will be unable to feed their kids during the holiday season. These people are not lazy or looking for a handout. The average unemployment check is only $293 a week. It is impossible to raise a family on unemployment benefits in the long-term. The unemployed want to work, as they desperately want to support themselves and their families. These are hard-working Americans who were employed all the way up until two years ago when the Wall Street bankers crashed the economy and walked away with trillions of dollars from the American taxpayer.

Republicans claim to be the party of “family values.” Is this their idea of family values? If you’re an average American who loses your job because of the criminal actions of the richest and most powerful people in the country, you and your children deserve to starve right before the holidays? I wonder how many of the Republicans who voted to deny the extension of unemployment benefits claim to be “Christians,” as this is what Jesus would do, right? Jesus would tell the unemployed to go beg for food in the streets to keep their children from starving, because the rich need their tax cuts?

It’s abundantly clear that Republicans view average hard-working Americans, without any lobbyists working on their behalf, as chattel, plain and simple. But I’m asking the Republicans to show some compassion for once. I’m begging them to stop trying to take the last lifeline that millions of suffering Americans and their families are desperately relying on. Because if they think Americans are angry now, just wait until they really have nothing left to lose and starving kids to feed.


http://www.alan.com/2010/12/05/republic ... -holidays/

Electric_Delta

tonifig8 wrote:

Republicans Playing Grinch With Unemployment Benefits Right Before The Holidays

With Senate Republicans killing an extension of unemployment benefits Saturday in a 53-36 vote, I thought I’d share some of my inconsolable rage. First off, given that unemployment benefits have a multiplier effect of 1.64 for every dollar spent, this is clearly another attempt by the Republicans to sabotage any hope of a real economic recovery. Permanently extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy only has a multiplier effect of 0.29 for every dollar spent. But let’s forget the negative macroeconomic impact of this despicable obstruction on the part of the Republicans for a second.

If unemployment benefits are not extended soon, millions of struggling parents in this country will be unable to feed their kids during the holiday season. These people are not lazy or looking for a handout. The average unemployment check is only $293 a week. It is impossible to raise a family on unemployment benefits in the long-term. The unemployed want to work, as they desperately want to support themselves and their families. These are hard-working Americans who were employed all the way up until two years ago when the Wall Street bankers crashed the economy and walked away with trillions of dollars from the American taxpayer.

Republicans claim to be the party of “family values.” Is this their idea of family values? If you’re an average American who loses your job because of the criminal actions of the richest and most powerful people in the country, you and your children deserve to starve right before the holidays? I wonder how many of the Republicans who voted to deny the extension of unemployment benefits claim to be “Christians,” as this is what Jesus would do, right? Jesus would tell the unemployed to go beg for food in the streets to keep their children from starving, because the rich need their tax cuts?

It’s abundantly clear that Republicans view average hard-working Americans, without any lobbyists working on their behalf, as chattel, plain and simple. But I’m asking the Republicans to show some compassion for once. I’m begging them to stop trying to take the last lifeline that millions of suffering Americans and their families are desperately relying on. Because if they think Americans are angry now, just wait until they really have nothing left to lose and starving kids to feed.


http://www.alan.com/2010/12/05/republic ... -holidays/

Alan Colmes? Do you have something non-biased?