Obama: No New Drilling In The Gulf For & Years

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Obama: No New Drilling In The Gulf For & Years

I think it's a good idea to be cautious with drilling in these Deepwater Horizon Oilwells. Before building these massive oilwells i think every pre-caution and safety should be used to make sure that this year's accident will not happen again. I mean we just had the largest oil spill in US History. However, some on the right believe jobs will be lost to overseas oilwells and therefore setting back this country's economy. I can remeber many saying why doesn't the President DO SOMETHING well this is something that's being done for the future of the Gulf.

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,308
    "Lousiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, a Republican and a frequent critic of the Obama administration's handling of the Gulf spill, said in a statement, "This announcement from the Obama administration today will undoubtedly send more economic capital and even more jobs overseas, in the wake of those oil rigs that already left our waters for Egypt, the Congo and Nigeria during the 'arbitrary and capricious' moratorium on deepwater drilling."

    :roll: :roll: :roll:

    what the fuck does jindal want??? he claimed that the administration did not do enough and bp was not acting fast enough, and now he blames obama for "even more jobs overseas??" proof that no matter what obama does he can not ever win. jindal complained about what happened to the people on the coast, and the administration wants to proceed with caution, and all of a sudden it is not fast enough. make up your mind jindal...

    i think the moratorium is a good thing. it is clear that we can not trust the oil companies to be careful, so maybe now we can develop safer policies and procedures so we do not have another gulf deluge...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    The title should read "No new drilling in the gulf approved directly from the US".



    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/72342
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,308
    unsung wrote:
    The title should read "No new drilling in the gulf approved directly from the US".



    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/72342
    that article was written on september 7. the new and official moratorium was announced on december 1...

    and even if this article were true it says that congress has not agreed to this deal, and if it does not pass congress the deal is off.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Well let's say that it is true, for now.

    Why give another country money to create jobs in an industry that this government is banning from people getting those jobs here?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,308
    unsung wrote:
    Well let's say that it is true, for now.

    Why give another country money to create jobs in an industry that this government is banning from people getting those jobs here?
    i think that is the least of our economic worries, with your party letting unemployment benefits expire today while wanting tax cuts for the top 2% and all...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • "Lousiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, a Republican and a frequent critic of the Obama administration's handling of the Gulf spill, said in a statement, "This announcement from the Obama administration today will undoubtedly send more economic capital and even more jobs overseas, in the wake of those oil rigs that already left our waters for Egypt, the Congo and Nigeria during the 'arbitrary and capricious' moratorium on deepwater drilling."

    :roll: :roll: :roll:

    what the fuck does jindal want??? he claimed that the administration did not do enough and bp was not acting fast enough, and now he blames obama for "even more jobs overseas??" proof that no matter what obama does he can not ever win. jindal complained about what happened to the people on the coast, and the administration wants to proceed with caution, and all of a sudden it is not fast enough. make up your mind jindal...

    i think the moratorium is a good thing. it is clear that we can not trust the oil companies to be careful, so maybe now we can develop safer policies and procedures so we do not have another gulf deluge...

    Jindal is a freaking clown. His popularity is down 13% from this time a year ago, and if there was one decent Democrat candidate in Louisiana he'd get his arse handed to him on a plate come reelection time (assuming he's still here then and hasn't quit to run for the presidency). As it is, the book he's currently peddling is filled with inaccuracies and is basically page after page of "Obama sucks, I rule!" He's Palin with testicles, and I can't for the life of me understand why Republicans think he'd make a good president. He took a state that was in bad shape and made it worse, and now is doing the morning talk show rounds with his book talking about how he fixed the problems and it's all hunky dory.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • unsung wrote:
    Well let's say that it is true, for now.

    Why give another country money to create jobs in an industry that this government is banning from people getting those jobs here?
    i think that is the least of our economic worries, with your party letting unemployment benefits expire today while wanting tax cuts for the top 2% and all...

    Where's the money going to come from to pay for the benefits extension?

    I mean, I guess the Treasury could always print more. It worked so well for Germany after WW1.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804

    Where's the money going to come from to pay for the benefits extension?

    I mean, I guess the Treasury could always print more. It worked so well for Germany after WW1.

    Well, not extending the tax cuts for the uberrich would pay for quite a deal of it, I'm sure...

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  • Where's the money going to come from to pay for the benefits extension?

    I mean, I guess the Treasury could always print more. It worked so well for Germany after WW1.

    Well, not extending the tax cuts for the uberrich would pay for quite a deal of it, I'm sure...

    Peace
    Dan

    Or, we could refuse to tax those who create jobs to death.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,308

    Where's the money going to come from to pay for the benefits extension?

    I mean, I guess the Treasury could always print more. It worked so well for Germany after WW1.

    Well, not extending the tax cuts for the uberrich would pay for quite a deal of it, I'm sure...

    Peace
    Dan

    Or, we could refuse to tax those who create jobs to death.
    if these "rich" as you said in the other thread that there are "hundreds of thousands of them" have been creating jobs with these tax cuts the last 8 years, then where are the jobs and why is unemployment still near 10%? i do not buy the argument that the rich are the ones creating jobs with their tax savings, because it is obvious to anyone who looks into it that they are not creating jobs, they are investing that money in the market, which has also tanked in the last few years...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Or, we could refuse to tax those who create jobs to death.

    if these "rich" as you said in the other thread that there are "hundreds of thousands of them" have been creating jobs with these tax cuts the last 8 years, then where are the jobs and why is unemployment still near 10%? i do not buy the argument that the rich are the ones creating jobs with their tax savings, because it is obvious to anyone who looks into it that they are not creating jobs, they are investing that money in the market, which has also tanked in the last few years...
    [/quote]


    As it relates to stimulus, my position is the business owner needs lower taxes and less red tape. There is more of a fostering of free enterprise when there is incentive to do business. If the "rich" see an environment where they are free to hire employees, make more profit, and face less Draconian regulation, everyone will benefit.

    The last en years do not stand to serve as a litmus test of the success of the capitalist system. The housing market crash was due to subprime lenders issuing money to people who had no chance of ever repaying the loans, while entities like Fannie Mae guaranteed the loans. Those loans may not have been guaranteed if the government hadn't implemented policies (under Clinton) which ostensibly forced banks to lend.

    I see to an extent where you're coming from, but I simply disagree.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,308
    Or, we could refuse to tax those who create jobs to death.

    if these "rich" as you said in the other thread that there are "hundreds of thousands of them" have been creating jobs with these tax cuts the last 8 years, then where are the jobs and why is unemployment still near 10%? i do not buy the argument that the rich are the ones creating jobs with their tax savings, because it is obvious to anyone who looks into it that they are not creating jobs, they are investing that money in the market, which has also tanked in the last few years...


    As it relates to stimulus, my position is the business owner needs lower taxes and less red tape. There is more of a fostering of free enterprise when there is incentive to do business. If the "rich" see an environment where they are free to hire employees, make more profit, and face less Draconian regulation, everyone will benefit.

    The last en years do not stand to serve as a litmus test of the success of the capitalist system. The housing market crash was due to subprime lenders issuing money to people who had no chance of ever repaying the loans, while entities like Fannie Mae guaranteed the loans. Those loans may not have been guaranteed if the government hadn't implemented policies (under Clinton) which ostensibly forced banks to lend.

    I see to an extent where you're coming from, but I simply disagree.[/quote]













    you say the last 10 years are not a litmus test for the success of capitalism. if those 10 years are not, then why is is that every 30 years or so we have a massive downturn? the great depression, world war II, then we had some prosperity, then the downturn/recessions of the 70s and 80s, and 90s, and now this. taken together those few incidents cover more that enough years to serve as a litmus test of the capitalist system.

    how is this one? the rich continue to get richer, while wages for the average worker have stagnated, and many people actually had to take pay cuts to keep their jobs, all while everything has gone up, housing, utilities, groceries, gas, health care costs have skyrocketeted, all the while the gap between rich and poor is the highest it has ever been. this system is unsustainable.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • The system is not unsustainable on a fundamental level. There has been a series of egregious mistakes with regard to free trade policies which have caused the gap we find ourselves in.

    In addition, basic economics dictates a cyclical system. Invariably, external factors will cause this. What screws everything (and everyone) is government intervention.

    What is the suggested alternative? Communism?
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,308
    The system is not unsustainable on a fundamental level. There has been a series of egregious mistakes with regard to free trade policies which have caused the gap we find ourselves in.

    In addition, basic economics dictates a cyclical system. Invariably, external factors will cause this. What screws everything (and everyone) is government intervention.

    What is the suggested alternative? Communism?
    then if it is cyclical why can we not use the last 10 years as a litmus test? that is like doing an experiment without a control group or without a treatment group. it makes absolutely no sense to throw out the very real events of the last 10 years and the present situation.

    no the suggested alternative is making the asshats in congress act on behalf of the people instead of playing cute little games like "i am gonna oppose that only because i can" and " i am only one senator, but i have the power to derail obama's plans that will help this country, so i am gonna send this bill back to committee so we don't have to vote on it this session"...i blame the republicans for the current way things are and their stalling and derailing, and i blame the dems for being pussies and caving on everything.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • The system is not unsustainable on a fundamental level. There has been a series of egregious mistakes with regard to free trade policies which have caused the gap we find ourselves in.

    In addition, basic economics dictates a cyclical system. Invariably, external factors will cause this. What screws everything (and everyone) is government intervention.

    What is the suggested alternative? Communism?
    then if it is cyclical why can we not use the last 10 years as a litmus test? that is like doing an experiment without a control group or without a treatment group. it makes absolutely no sense to throw out the very real events of the last 10 years and the present situation.

    no the suggested alternative is making the asshats in congress act on behalf of the people instead of playing cute little games like "i am gonna oppose that only because i can" and " i am only one senator, but i have the power to derail obama's plans that will help this country, so i am gonna send this bill back to committee so we don't have to vote on it this session"...i blame the republicans for the current way things are and their stalling and derailing, and i blame the dems for being pussies and caving on everything.


    In that case, I guess it is what it is at the present time. Hopefully, gridlock on BOTH sides doesn't stop a real, genuine economic recovery.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    if these "rich" as you said in the other thread that there are "hundreds of thousands of them" have been creating jobs with these tax cuts the last 8 years, then where are the jobs and why is unemployment still near 10%? i do not buy the argument that the rich are the ones creating jobs with their tax savings, because it is obvious to anyone who looks into it that they are not creating jobs, they are investing that money in the market, which has also tanked in the last few years...



    Businesses are afraid of this administration.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,308
    unsung wrote:
    if these "rich" as you said in the other thread that there are "hundreds of thousands of them" have been creating jobs with these tax cuts the last 8 years, then where are the jobs and why is unemployment still near 10%? i do not buy the argument that the rich are the ones creating jobs with their tax savings, because it is obvious to anyone who looks into it that they are not creating jobs, they are investing that money in the market, which has also tanked in the last few years...



    Businesses are afraid of this administration.
    examples?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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