The Beatles on iTunes? PLEASE don't happen!

Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
edited November 2010 in Other Music
I hope this does not happen. It's looking more and more like it. I will be very upset.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2 ... catalogue/

Apple Said to Reach Agreement On Beatles Catalog

For the next generation of Beatles’ fans, the wait could soon be over.

Apple is expected to announce on Tuesday that it has finally struck a deal with the Beatles, the bestselling music group of all time, and the band’s record company, EMI, to sell Beatles music on iTunes, according to a person with knowledge of the private deal who requested anonymity because the agreement is still confidential.

Depending on the terms of the deal, that could mean that, for the first time, customers can download “Please Please Me,” “Hey Jude” or “A Day In The Life” individually rather than buy them bundled on a CD. While the move to digital doesn’t quite rival the band’s first trip across the Atlantic to on “The Ed Sullivan Show” in 1964, it is an acknowledgment that music is now purchased online, not at the store.

Apple and EMI declined to comment, and representatives of the Beatles and Apple Corps, the band’s company, could not be reached.

Since opening its iTunes music store seven years ago, Apple has reshaped the music industry and become the largest music retailer in the United States. But the Beatles catalog had always eluded the company and Steven P. Jobs, its tenacious chief executive (and huge Beatles fan).

One of the last major holdouts against selling its music digitally, the Beatles are the ultimate prize for any music company, a group that has held on to blockbuster sales four decades after breaking up — it has sold more than 177 million albums in the United States alone, according to the Recording Industry Association of America — and held on to untouchable cultural prestige. Even in the past 10 years, the group sold more albums than any other act other than Eminem.

For Apple, getting access to the Beatles catalog has plenty of symbolic significance but is unlikely to boost the company’s bottom line.

“It is the only major music group that they still don’t have in the store,” said Tim Bajarin, an analyst with Creative Strategies, who has been following Apple for more than two decades. “It is very symbolic because Steve Jobs is a huge fan of the Beatles.”

But for all the success of Apple in becoming the largest distributor of music on the Internet, the iTunes store is not a major source of profits for the company. Apple executives have said that iTunes is roughly a “breakeven” operation.

“The music itself is a vehicle to allow them to sell more iPods and iPhones, which is where they make real money,” Mr. Bajarin said.

Paul McCartney, one of two remaining Beatles, along with Ringo Starr, made his solo music available on iTunes in 2007 and there have been rampant rumors, accusations and counter-accusations since about the fate of the Beatles catalog.

Millions of fans can already listen to their favorite Beatles albums on their iPods, iPhones and other digital music players, since they have been able to transfer tracks from their CDs to the digital devices.

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  • Baby you're a rich man, baby you're a rich man, baby you're a rich man too
    You keep all your money in a big brown bag inside a zoo, what a thing to do
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  • Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    Is that what you think of it?
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  • Newch91 wrote:
    Is that what you think of it?
    Well, you're not gonna want to hear this, but Paul and Ringo love money. Record companies love money. There's money to be made. It's a logical next step. I know where you're coming from and believe me, I agree with you. But everything in this life is a cash grab, whether we like it or not. And think of it like this, it might mean more people than normally wouldn't have access to Beatles material now will thru a new channel. Sad but true.
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  • youngsteryoungster Boston Posts: 6,576
    I don't see what the big deal is. The Beatles are always going to be the biggest selling group of all time. Not a whole lot of 14 year olds now are going to go out and buy their CD's or box sets. If they only want to download their top 10 favorite Beatles songs on their Ipod and be done, so what? As long as it's not being stolen. Like it or not, CD's are not the preffered form of media anymore and if it takes the Beatles being on Itunes to introduce their music to a 3rd or 4th generation of fans, I don't have a problem with it?

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  • youngster wrote:
    I don't see what the big deal is. The Beatles are always going to be the biggest selling group of all time. Not a whole lot of 14 year olds now are going to go out and buy their CD's or box sets. If they only want to download their top 10 favorite Beatles songs on their Ipod and be done, so what? As long as it's not being stolen. Like it or not, CD's are not the preffered form of media anymore and if it takes the Beatles being on Itunes to introduce their music to a 3rd or 4th generation of fans, I don't have a problem with it?

    Am I wrong? Tell me why you might disagree with me.
    Bingo!
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  • klusterfukklusterfuk Posts: 1,411
    youngster wrote:
    I don't see what the big deal is. The Beatles are always going to be the biggest selling group of all time. Not a whole lot of 14 year olds now are going to go out and buy their CD's or box sets. If they only want to download their top 10 favorite Beatles songs on their Ipod and be done, so what? As long as it's not being stolen. Like it or not, CD's are not the preffered form of media anymore and if it takes the Beatles being on Itunes to introduce their music to a 3rd or 4th generation of fans, I don't have a problem with it?

    Am I wrong? Tell me why you might disagree with me.


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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,929
    What's the big deal? Is it less respectable to purchase something digitally than a physical copy?
  • youngster wrote:
    I don't see what the big deal is. The Beatles are always going to be the biggest selling group of all time. Not a whole lot of 14 year olds now are going to go out and buy their CD's or box sets. If they only want to download their top 10 favorite Beatles songs on their Ipod and be done, so what? As long as it's not being stolen. Like it or not, CD's are not the preffered form of media anymore and if it takes the Beatles being on Itunes to introduce their music to a 3rd or 4th generation of fans, I don't have a problem with it?

    Couldn't agree more. Actually it's overdue considering it's been a year since the remasters were released.
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  • craigbcraigb Posts: 806
    youngster wrote:
    I don't see what the big deal is. The Beatles are always going to be the biggest selling group of all time. Not a whole lot of 14 year olds now are going to go out and buy their CD's or box sets. If they only want to download their top 10 favorite Beatles songs on their Ipod and be done, so what? As long as it's not being stolen. Like it or not, CD's are not the preffered form of media anymore and if it takes the Beatles being on Itunes to introduce their music to a 3rd or 4th generation of fans, I don't have a problem with it?

    Am I wrong? Tell me why you might disagree with me.

    I agree. I can only hope that it'll help introduce their music to future generations.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,929
    By the way, it's not as if they were holding out for any artistic reason. The article inexplicably leaves out...
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01387.html
  • Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    My problem is it's going against what they were fighting for to not have their music on iTunes: music is an art and their art is their music and albums. Not they're letting people buy songs instead of the albums. The whole album concept is dying.
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  • Newch91 wrote:
    My problem is it's going against what they were fighting for to not have their music on iTunes: music is an art and their art is their music and albums. Not they're letting people buy songs instead of the albums. The whole album concept is dying.

    Remember that most Beatles songs that were singles didn't appear on albums anyway so they had to be bought individually. And while I agree that it's lame to take something like "Mr. Kite" out of the context of Sgt. Peppers, I also don't think it's a big deal if someone does...especially because digital downloads seem to be the primary means for distributing and purchasing music nowadays. Complaining in 2010 about Beatles' songs being taken out of the context of the albums would be like if you complained in the 1980's when you bought Led Zeppelin IV on CD and saw that Stairway To Heaven was simply track 4 rather than the epic close to side one of the vinyl.
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  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,240
    Seriously what is the big deal?

    This whole music is art and must be viewed as a whole idea i think is an archaic view.

    Offer it both ways. For those who want it in physical form they get it for others they get it their way too.

    Embrace technology don't fight it. They seem like old guys who just don't get it if the reason they didn't want it on their is it would "ruin their art"
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    intodeep wrote:
    Seriously what is the big deal?

    This whole music is art and must be viewed as a whole idea i think is an archaic view.

    Offer it both ways. For those who want it in physical form they get it for others they get it their way too.

    Embrace technology don't fight it. They seem like old guys who just don't get it if the reason they didn't want it on their is it would "ruin their art"

    I agree, I don't think it's a big deal, at all. It's their music, they can split it up if they want. Is there that many tunes that it will affect.

    Music is art. That's not an archaic view at all. It's dumb to think otherwise.


    I can kinda understand a band like Pink Floyd saying it could ruin how their music is perceived, most of the Beatles tunes are just songs on an album though.


    I just wish they'd quit makin everything sound shitty.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,929
    Newch91 wrote:
    My problem is it's going against what they were fighting for to not have their music on iTunes: music is an art and their art is their music and albums. Not they're letting people buy songs instead of the albums. The whole album concept is dying.

    They weren't fighting for their art, it was about a series of lawsuits over the Apple brand. Read the link in my post above your last one.
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    Newch91 wrote:
    My problem is it's going against what they were fighting for to not have their music on iTunes: music is an art and their art is their music and albums. Not they're letting people buy songs instead of the albums. The whole album concept is dying.

    I agree with your last statement there. I love listening to entire albums. My kids think that is seriously old fashioned. Shit, most people my age think that.
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  • Of The AggieOf The Aggie The ATX Posts: 1,541
    I got the box set last Christmas so I already have all of their stuff, but for someone who just wants a few songs, I have no problem with digital downloads. In fact it drives me nuts when I want certain songs from a band and they show up as "album only". All that does is force people to piracy. I still love listening to full albums, but that doesn't mean everyone else does. Give people a choice. This has been the problem with the music industry--its hard-line stance on how it thinks people should enjoy their products and its inability to change to meet new demands from a different generation.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    youngster wrote:
    I don't see what the big deal is. The Beatles are always going to be the biggest selling group of all time. Not a whole lot of 14 year olds now are going to go out and buy their CD's or box sets. If they only want to download their top 10 favorite Beatles songs on their Ipod and be done, so what? As long as it's not being stolen. Like it or not, CD's are not the preffered form of media anymore and if it takes the Beatles being on Itunes to introduce their music to a 3rd or 4th generation of fans, I don't have a problem with it?

    Am I wrong? Tell me why you might disagree with me.
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  • merkinballmerkinball Posts: 2,262
    This has been the problem with the music industry--its hard-line stance on how it thinks people should enjoy their products and its inability to change to meet new demands from a different generation.

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  • I got the box set last Christmas so I already have all of their stuff, but for someone who just wants a few songs, I have no problem with digital downloads. In fact it drives me nuts when I want certain songs from a band and they show up as "album only". All that does is force people to piracy. I still love listening to full albums, but that doesn't mean everyone else does. Give people a choice. This has been the problem with the music industry--its hard-line stance on how it thinks people should enjoy their products and its inability to change to meet new demands from a different generation.
    Exactly. I have the biggest CD collection of my friends, but every once in a while, I just want one tune. iTunes is perfect for that!
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,872
    youngster wrote:
    I don't see what the big deal is. The Beatles are always going to be the biggest selling group of all time. Not a whole lot of 14 year olds now are going to go out and buy their CD's or box sets. If they only want to download their top 10 favorite Beatles songs on their Ipod and be done, so what? As long as it's not being stolen. Like it or not, CD's are not the preffered form of media anymore and if it takes the Beatles being on Itunes to introduce their music to a 3rd or 4th generation of fans, I don't have a problem with it?

    Am I wrong? Tell me why you might disagree with me.


    Thread over.
  • rhcpjam1029rhcpjam1029 Posts: 1,981
    it's official. itunes has killed the music industry.
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  • Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    it's official. itunes has killed the music industry.
    Exactly.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Newch91 wrote:
    it's official. itunes has killed the music industry.
    Exactly.


    it's weird, i heard on the news this morning that the deal really won't even make i tunes money off of the Beatles but it be another reason for people to go out and buy ipod and ipads.
  • it's official. itunes has killed the music industry.
    How? Bands/labels are making money off of it. I think illegal downloading where the bands, producers, labels, etc.. are not being compensated is a big problems.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    it's official. itunes has killed the music industry.

    How have they?
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,872
    it's official. itunes has killed the music industry.
    How? Bands/labels are making money off of it. I think illegal downloading where the bands, producers, labels, etc.. are not being compensated is a big problems.


    Yeah, I'm pretty sure the illegal downloading is what is killing the music industry, not iTunes.
  • I don't see anything wrong with the beatles on itunes. Its a great way to buy their music. Good quality digital copies. It's the 21 Century man. Next you'll be saying vinyl is better than compact disc. :D
  • Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    whgarrett wrote:
    I don't see anything wrong with the beatles on itunes. Its a great way to buy their music. Good quality digital copies. It's the 21 Century man. Next you'll be saying vinyl is better than compact disc. :D
    I hate digital, that's just me. And vinyl is better than CD. ;)
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