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gimmesometruth27

OnTheEdge wrote:

Bush was a leader.

Obama is embarrasing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eV6y2C-iEg

Hugh Freaking Dillon

that's interesting. just because Bush used the fear of his own people to further his agenda does not make him a leader. And I would argue because Obama is trying to fix things locally rather than across the pond, makes him a much better leader than Bush. Obama is pro-American, not anti-everyone else.

OnTheEdge wrote:

Paul David wrote:

hey, if the last one wants to keep making himself look like the ass that he is, who are we to argue?

OnTheEdge wrote:

You must realize by now Godfather that most people on here don't want to hear about the CURRENT PRESIDENT. They just want to bitch and complain about the last one because the current one is too emabarasing for them.

Bush was a leader.

Obama is embarrasing.

ed243421

thanks byrnzie for reminding them
and even though obama has also sold out to big business
the hatred for him is not based on this
it's pure racism
and it's fuckin' ugly

stewart/colbert 2012

Byrnzie

unsung wrote:

Bush and Obama are both terrible, they are the same.

No they're not. There's really no comparison.

Bush was a giddy frat-boy President who shat on the American constitution and wrecked the lives of millions abroad.
Obama is a thoughtful, articulate President - actually worthy of the name 'President' - who is still struggling to put right the mess he inherited from that jackass.

Godfather.

Here we are again both sides claiming to be right and some still resorting to name calling and anger towards a man who is no longer the president and still no resolution in sight...no common ground, no society or group of people can move forward without common ground to work from, am I right ? or does it even matter ?

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

of course it still matters. how the world views the US is directly related to how the US and the world treats Bush in the aftermath of his debacle as president. is Obama perfect? absolutely not. He's no saint. you can't get as far as being president and have a clean record and never have stepped on anyone and been ethical the whole journey through.

however, bush's presidency was a clusterf***, to be kind. it still matters because the guy stuck his nose up at international law, and continues to do so with his memoire admission. he's almost gloating about being able to get away with what amounts to war crimes. he needs to be dealt with. not just him, but anyone who was responsible with him along the way.

Godfather. wrote:

Here we are again both sides claiming to be right and some still resorting to name calling and anger towards a man who is no longer the president and still no resolution in sight...no common ground, no society or group of people can move forward without common ground to work from, am I right ? or does it even matter ?

Godfather.

Godfather.

Paul David wrote:

of course it still matters. how the world views the US is directly related to how the US and the world treats Bush in the aftermath of his debacle as president. is Obama perfect? absolutely not. He's no saint. you can't get as far as being president and have a clean record and never have stepped on anyone and been ethical the whole journey through.

however, bush's presidency was a clusterf***, to be kind. it still matters because the guy stuck his nose up at international law, and continues to do so with his memoire admission. he's almost gloating about being able to get away with what amounts to war crimes. he needs to be dealt with. not just him, but anyone who was responsible with him along the way.

Godfather. wrote:

Here we are again both sides claiming to be right and some still resorting to name calling and anger towards a man who is no longer the president and still no resolution in sight...no common ground, no society or group of people can move forward without common ground to work from, am I right ? or does it even matter ?

Godfather.

I just watch some stuff Byrnzie posted for me on the other thread...just when I thought I had an idea...boom!
and all I can think is next election I have to do more homework before I vote, man that shit is still bothering me.

Godfather.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

I just watch some stuff Byrnzie posted for me on the other thread...just when I thought I had an idea...boom!
and all I can think is next election I have to do more homework before I vote, man that shit is still bothering me.

Godfather.

And that 'Secret Government' film is 23 years old, yet it's more relevant today than ever. I'm surprised they allowed it to be broadcast - must have been right around the time of Iran-Contra when it was briefly possible to tear down the veil and discuss such things. According to Wiki PBS have refused to air it at any time since.

Here's another good one: 'Manufacturing Consent - Chomsky and the Media' - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0425568933

number1PJfan

I think the Presidency wasn't what Obama expected. He had grand ideas when he went into office of how he was going to fix everything. The Republican party decided not to play nice and has made EVERY single issue he has tried to address absolutely difficult for him to resolve. He has had to settle and make compromises and in the end, yes he has sold out on many of the issues he felt very strongly about in the beginning. But you have to consider he had very large aspirations to fix all the things that were left behind by the outgoing president.

unsung

Byrnzie wrote:

No they're not. There's really no comparison.

Bush was a giddy frat-boy President who shat on the American constitution and wrecked the lives of millions abroad.
Obama is a thoughtful, articulate President - actually worthy of the name 'President' - who is still struggling to put right the mess he inherited from that jackass.

Both voted to keep the PATRIOT Act going, both kept wars funded, both have "shat" on the Constitution, both have spent us into oblivion and sold our souls to China. They only look different.

OnTheEdge

Byrnzie wrote:

unsung wrote:

Bush and Obama are both terrible, they are the same.

No they're not. There's really no comparison.

Bush was a giddy frat-boy President who shat on the American constitution and wrecked the lives of millions abroad.
Obama is a thoughtful, articulate President - actually worthy of the name 'President' - who is still struggling to put right the mess he inherited from that jackass.

How does spending more money then the previous and printing enough money to surely create the largest inflation crisis we've ever seen in our lifetime actually make someone worthy, articulate, and thoughtful??? You're so caught up in hating Bush you can't even see what is happening TODAY.

OnTheEdge

Let's compare the two.........shall we

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bus ... -pictures/

KDH12

it is widely believed that the CBO does not accurately project cost/deficits

look at your link for 2009, then click on the link for the updated 2011 "picture"

it appears that what they projected for 2009 was about 300 billion overestimated


it is definitely appropriate to be debating Bush right now, he has been on every TV/news show promoting a book called the decider where he stands behind everything he did. From what I have seen he takes zero responsibility for the mess we have now

KDH12

Godfather. wrote:

I just watch some stuff Byrnzie posted for me on the other thread...just when I thought I had an idea...boom!
and all I can think is next election I have to do more homework before I vote, man that shit is still bothering me.

Godfather.

You aren't the only one, I keep thinking about this interview, not the best example but is frustrating to hear people talk about what they want but they don't fully understand what it cost to get what they want.....

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =131060190

a little highlight...

Ms. WALKER: He didn't listen to the people of the district. It was the stimulus, it was the TARP. It was a myriad of other bills. We have things that needed to be done like I-35 expansion, and making sure that we are responsibly spending money. And so he just lost touch with the people.

she complains about the stimulus and then complains that I-35 in Texas hasn't been expanded. spending is spending isn't it?

whygohome

OnTheEdge wrote:

Let's compare the two.........shall we

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bus ... -pictures/

American Heritage Foundation? A credible, non-biased source?

Like religion, we all look to sources that will support OUR BELIEFS. Because, in today's political world, all that matters are our beliefs. Facts are secondary.

gabers

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

yea there have been a few....

Another Failed Presidency
By Geoffrey P. Hunt
Barack Obama is on track to have the most spectacularly failed presidency since Woodrow Wilson.


In the modern era, we've seen several failed presidencies--led by Jimmy Carter and LBJ. Failed presidents have one strong common trait-- they are repudiated, in the vernacular, spat out. Of course, LBJ wisely took the exit ramp early, avoiding a shove into oncoming traffic by his own party. Richard Nixon indeed resigned in disgrace, yet his reputation as a statesman has been partially restored by his triumphant overture to China.


George Bush Jr didn't fail so much as he was perceived to have been too much of a patrician while being uncomfortable with his more conservative allies. Yet George Bush Sr is still perceived as a man of uncommon decency, loyal to the enduring American character of rugged self-determination, free markets, and generosity. George W will eventually be treated more kindly by historians as one whose potential was squashed by his own compromise of conservative principles, in some ways repeating the mistakes of his father, while ignoring many lessons in executive leadership he should have learned at Harvard Business School. Of course George W could never quite overcome being dogged from the outset by half of the nation convinced he was electorally illegitimate -- thus aiding the resurgence of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.


But, Barack Obama is failing. Failing big. Failing fast. And failing everywhere: foreign policy, domestic initiatives, and most importantly, in forging connections with the American people. The incomparable Dorothy Rabinowitz in the Wall Street Journal put her finger on it: He is failing because he has no understanding of the American people, and may indeed loathe them. Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard says he is failing because he has lost control of his message, and is overexposed. Clarice Feldman of American Thinker produced a dispositive commentary showing that Obama is failing because fundamentally he is neither smart nor articulate; his intellectual dishonesty is conspicuous by its audacity and lack of shame.


But, there is something more seriously wrong: How could a new president riding in on a wave of unprecedented promise and goodwill have forfeited his tenure and become a lame duck in six months? His poll ratings are in free fall. In generic balloting, the Republicans have now seized a five point advantage. This truly is unbelievable. What's going on?


No narrative. Obama doesn't have a narrative. No, not a narrative about himself. He has a self-narrative, much of it fabricated, cleverly disguised or written by someone else. But this self-narrative is isolated and doesn't connect with us. He doesn't have an American narrative that draws upon the rest of us. All successful presidents have a narrative about the American character that intersects with their own where they display a command of history and reveal an authenticity at the core of their personality that resonates in a positive endearing way with the majority of Americans. We admire those presidents whose narratives not only touch our own, but who seem stronger, wiser, and smarter than we are. Presidents we admire are aspirational peers, even those whose politics don't align exactly with our own: Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Harry Truman, Ike, Reagan.


But not this president. It's not so much that he's a phony, knows nothing about economics, is historically illiterate, and woefully small minded for the size of the task-- all contributory of course. It's that he's not one of us. And whatever he is, his profile is fuzzy and devoid of content, like a cardboard cutout made from delaminated corrugated paper. Moreover, he doesn't command our respect and is unable to appeal to our own common sense. His notions of right and wrong are repugnant and how things work just don't add up. They are not existential. His descriptions of the world we live in don't make sense and don't correspond with our experience.


In the meantime, while we've been struggling to take a measurement of this man, he's dissed just about every one of us--financiers, energy producers, banks, insurance executives, police officers, doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, post office workers, and anybody else who has a non-green job. Expect Obama to lament at his last press conference in 2012: "For those of you I offended, I apologize. For those of you who were not offended, you just didn't give me enough time; if only I'd had a second term, I could have offended you too."


Mercifully, the Founders at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 devised a useful remedy for such a desperate state--staggered terms for both houses of the legislature and the executive. An equally abominable Congress can get voted out next year. With a new Congress, there's always hope of legislative gridlock until we vote for president again two short years after that.


Yes, small presidents do fail, Barack Obama among them. The coyotes howl but the wagon train keeps rolling along.

What a crock of shit.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The crock of shit bit. If anyone with a scrap of brains can't see what an absolute disaster the George W. Bush presidency was then I question they deserve the right to vote.

Godfather.

gabers wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

yea there have been a few....

Another Failed Presidency
By Geoffrey P. Hunt
Barack Obama is on track to have the most spectacularly failed presidency since Woodrow Wilson.


In the modern era, we've seen several failed presidencies--led by Jimmy Carter and LBJ. Failed presidents have one strong common trait-- they are repudiated, in the vernacular, spat out. Of course, LBJ wisely took the exit ramp early, avoiding a shove into oncoming traffic by his own party. Richard Nixon indeed resigned in disgrace, yet his reputation as a statesman has been partially restored by his triumphant overture to China.


George Bush Jr didn't fail so much as he was perceived to have been too much of a patrician while being uncomfortable with his more conservative allies. Yet George Bush Sr is still perceived as a man of uncommon decency, loyal to the enduring American character of rugged self-determination, free markets, and generosity. George W will eventually be treated more kindly by historians as one whose potential was squashed by his own compromise of conservative principles, in some ways repeating the mistakes of his father, while ignoring many lessons in executive leadership he should have learned at Harvard Business School. Of course George W could never quite overcome being dogged from the outset by half of the nation convinced he was electorally illegitimate -- thus aiding the resurgence of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.


But, Barack Obama is failing. Failing big. Failing fast. And failing everywhere: foreign policy, domestic initiatives, and most importantly, in forging connections with the American people. The incomparable Dorothy Rabinowitz in the Wall Street Journal put her finger on it: He is failing because he has no understanding of the American people, and may indeed loathe them. Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard says he is failing because he has lost control of his message, and is overexposed. Clarice Feldman of American Thinker produced a dispositive commentary showing that Obama is failing because fundamentally he is neither smart nor articulate; his intellectual dishonesty is conspicuous by its audacity and lack of shame.


But, there is something more seriously wrong: How could a new president riding in on a wave of unprecedented promise and goodwill have forfeited his tenure and become a lame duck in six months? His poll ratings are in free fall. In generic balloting, the Republicans have now seized a five point advantage. This truly is unbelievable. What's going on?


No narrative. Obama doesn't have a narrative. No, not a narrative about himself. He has a self-narrative, much of it fabricated, cleverly disguised or written by someone else. But this self-narrative is isolated and doesn't connect with us. He doesn't have an American narrative that draws upon the rest of us. All successful presidents have a narrative about the American character that intersects with their own where they display a command of history and reveal an authenticity at the core of their personality that resonates in a positive endearing way with the majority of Americans. We admire those presidents whose narratives not only touch our own, but who seem stronger, wiser, and smarter than we are. Presidents we admire are aspirational peers, even those whose politics don't align exactly with our own: Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Harry Truman, Ike, Reagan.


But not this president. It's not so much that he's a phony, knows nothing about economics, is historically illiterate, and woefully small minded for the size of the task-- all contributory of course. It's that he's not one of us. And whatever he is, his profile is fuzzy and devoid of content, like a cardboard cutout made from delaminated corrugated paper. Moreover, he doesn't command our respect and is unable to appeal to our own common sense. His notions of right and wrong are repugnant and how things work just don't add up. They are not existential. His descriptions of the world we live in don't make sense and don't correspond with our experience.


In the meantime, while we've been struggling to take a measurement of this man, he's dissed just about every one of us--financiers, energy producers, banks, insurance executives, police officers, doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, post office workers, and anybody else who has a non-green job. Expect Obama to lament at his last press conference in 2012: "For those of you I offended, I apologize. For those of you who were not offended, you just didn't give me enough time; if only I'd had a second term, I could have offended you too."


Mercifully, the Founders at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 devised a useful remedy for such a desperate state--staggered terms for both houses of the legislature and the executive. An equally abominable Congress can get voted out next year. With a new Congress, there's always hope of legislative gridlock until we vote for president again two short years after that.


Yes, small presidents do fail, Barack Obama among them. The coyotes howl but the wagon train keeps rolling along.

What a crock of shit.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The crock of shit bit. If anyone with a scrap of brains can't see what an absolute disaster the George W. Bush presidency was then I question they deserve the right to vote.

That was a brilliant response there gabbers....You must be a politician :shock:

Godfather.

KDH12

I just watched the movie W. today

pretty good

markin ball

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

yea there have been a few....

Another Failed Presidency
By Geoffrey P. Hunt
Barack Obama is on track to have the most spectacularly failed presidency since Woodrow Wilson.


In the modern era, we've seen several failed presidencies--led by Jimmy Carter and LBJ. Failed presidents have one strong common trait-- they are repudiated, in the vernacular, spat out. Of course, LBJ wisely took the exit ramp early, avoiding a shove into oncoming traffic by his own party. Richard Nixon indeed resigned in disgrace, yet his reputation as a statesman has been partially restored by his triumphant overture to China.


George Bush Jr didn't fail so much as he was perceived to have been too much of a patrician while being uncomfortable with his more conservative allies. Yet George Bush Sr is still perceived as a man of uncommon decency, loyal to the enduring American character of rugged self-determination, free markets, and generosity. George W will eventually be treated more kindly by historians as one whose potential was squashed by his own compromise of conservative principles, in some ways repeating the mistakes of his father, while ignoring many lessons in executive leadership he should have learned at Harvard Business School. Of course George W could never quite overcome being dogged from the outset by half of the nation convinced he was electorally illegitimate -- thus aiding the resurgence of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.


But, Barack Obama is failing. Failing big. Failing fast. And failing everywhere: foreign policy, domestic initiatives, and most importantly, in forging connections with the American people. The incomparable Dorothy Rabinowitz in the Wall Street Journal put her finger on it: He is failing because he has no understanding of the American people, and may indeed loathe them. Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard says he is failing because he has lost control of his message, and is overexposed. Clarice Feldman of American Thinker produced a dispositive commentary showing that Obama is failing because fundamentally he is neither smart nor articulate; his intellectual dishonesty is conspicuous by its audacity and lack of shame.


But, there is something more seriously wrong: How could a new president riding in on a wave of unprecedented promise and goodwill have forfeited his tenure and become a lame duck in six months? His poll ratings are in free fall. In generic balloting, the Republicans have now seized a five point advantage. This truly is unbelievable. What's going on?


No narrative. Obama doesn't have a narrative. No, not a narrative about himself. He has a self-narrative, much of it fabricated, cleverly disguised or written by someone else. But this self-narrative is isolated and doesn't connect with us. He doesn't have an American narrative that draws upon the rest of us. All successful presidents have a narrative about the American character that intersects with their own where they display a command of history and reveal an authenticity at the core of their personality that resonates in a positive endearing way with the majority of Americans. We admire those presidents whose narratives not only touch our own, but who seem stronger, wiser, and smarter than we are. Presidents we admire are aspirational peers, even those whose politics don't align exactly with our own: Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Harry Truman, Ike, Reagan.


But not this president. It's not so much that he's a phony, knows nothing about economics, is historically illiterate, and woefully small minded for the size of the task-- all contributory of course. It's that he's not one of us. And whatever he is, his profile is fuzzy and devoid of content, like a cardboard cutout made from delaminated corrugated paper. Moreover, he doesn't command our respect and is unable to appeal to our own common sense. His notions of right and wrong are repugnant and how things work just don't add up. They are not existential. His descriptions of the world we live in don't make sense and don't correspond with our experience.


In the meantime, while we've been struggling to take a measurement of this man, he's dissed just about every one of us--financiers, energy producers, banks, insurance executives, police officers, doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, post office workers, and anybody else who has a non-green job. Expect Obama to lament at his last press conference in 2012: "For those of you I offended, I apologize. For those of you who were not offended, you just didn't give me enough time; if only I'd had a second term, I could have offended you too."


Mercifully, the Founders at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 devised a useful remedy for such a desperate state--staggered terms for both houses of the legislature and the executive. An equally abominable Congress can get voted out next year. With a new Congress, there's always hope of legislative gridlock until we vote for president again two short years after that.


Yes, small presidents do fail, Barack Obama among them. The coyotes howl but the wagon train keeps rolling along.

What a crock of shit.

This "piece" just says "Obama bad" without citing any specific examples. This would get a C at best in a high school English class.

markin ball

OnTheEdge wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

unsung wrote:

Bush and Obama are both terrible, they are the same.

No they're not. There's really no comparison.

Bush was a giddy frat-boy President who shat on the American constitution and wrecked the lives of millions abroad.
Obama is a thoughtful, articulate President - actually worthy of the name 'President' - who is still struggling to put right the mess he inherited from that jackass.

How does spending more money then the previous and printing enough money to surely create the largest inflation crisis we've ever seen in our lifetime actually make someone worthy, articulate, and thoughtful??? You're so caught up in hating Bush you can't even see what is happening TODAY.

What inflation crisis?