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Formula One Freaks-this is it!

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    erebuserebus Posts: 559
    Finally, a great race today!

    too bad for the review, but I think they got it right

    the future looks bright for the young drivers and F1
    1996: Toronto
    2003: St. Paul
    2005: Thunder Bay
    2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa
    2009: Chicago I, Chicago II
    2010: Boston
    2011: Toronto I, Toronto II, Winnipeg
    2012: Missoula
    2013: London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014: St. Paul, Milwaukee
    2016: Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II
    2022: Hamilton, Toronto 
    2023: St. Paul I, St. Paul II
    2024: Vancouver I, Vancouver II
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,494
    Great race indeed. 
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    Heck of a race by Max.  Yes, finally an exciting race ... I was 99% certain F1 would shoot themselves in the foot again by giving a penalty.  I don't think it was a penalty but Leclerc should not have let himself into that position in the first place.  He had a 5 second lead with 10 laps left and nerves / lack of experience cost him the win, not that pass.  He gave that huge lead up way too fast.
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    RygarRygar Posts: 8,685
    Jason P said:
    Heck of a race by Max.  Yes, finally an exciting race ... I was 99% certain F1 would shoot themselves in the foot again by giving a penalty.  I don't think it was a penalty but Leclerc should not have let himself into that position in the first place.  He had a 5 second lead with 10 laps left and nerves / lack of experience cost him the win, not that pass.  He gave that huge lead up way too fast.
    I disagree on the Leclerc front, I don't think nerves had anything to do with it (see his fight back on Verstappen's first pass attempt).  The RBR was a lot faster than the Ferrari on those tires (Verstappen's were also fresher).  I read that they put used hard tires on Leclerc at his stop but I can't find actual confirmation of that.
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    erebuserebus Posts: 559
    Another great race.... A little bit of everything.  Could this be the beginning of the end for Seb at Ferrari?
    1996: Toronto
    2003: St. Paul
    2005: Thunder Bay
    2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa
    2009: Chicago I, Chicago II
    2010: Boston
    2011: Toronto I, Toronto II, Winnipeg
    2012: Missoula
    2013: London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014: St. Paul, Milwaukee
    2016: Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II
    2022: Hamilton, Toronto 
    2023: St. Paul I, St. Paul II
    2024: Vancouver I, Vancouver II
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    Haas needs a new manager.  They don't think American drivers can handle F1 but how hard would it be to match Grosjean's incompetence?
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,494
    The last two races have been great.  No complaints from me.  Cannot wait for Austin!
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    erebuserebus Posts: 559
    Yet another superfantastic race!!!!!
    not a Seb fan but good for him.
    nice to see some fresh faces in the mix
    1996: Toronto
    2003: St. Paul
    2005: Thunder Bay
    2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa
    2009: Chicago I, Chicago II
    2010: Boston
    2011: Toronto I, Toronto II, Winnipeg
    2012: Missoula
    2013: London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014: St. Paul, Milwaukee
    2016: Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II
    2022: Hamilton, Toronto 
    2023: St. Paul I, St. Paul II
    2024: Vancouver I, Vancouver II
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    eddieceddiec Posts: 3,847
    Great race. Amazing how a small bit of weather transforms the sport into something thoroughly enjoyable.
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    any race that no mercedes ends up on the podium is a good race ... not that I have anything against mercedes other then they are the video game equivalent of cheat mode settings that make for generally boring races
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    erebuserebus Posts: 559
    I agree on both counts
    a dry race would have probably been a one/two for Mercedes, maybe Max splitting them
    was the same the year Braun ran away with it and Button was champ. Those cars had something ahead of their time or borderline illegal
    1996: Toronto
    2003: St. Paul
    2005: Thunder Bay
    2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa
    2009: Chicago I, Chicago II
    2010: Boston
    2011: Toronto I, Toronto II, Winnipeg
    2012: Missoula
    2013: London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014: St. Paul, Milwaukee
    2016: Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II
    2022: Hamilton, Toronto 
    2023: St. Paul I, St. Paul II
    2024: Vancouver I, Vancouver II
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    erebuserebus Posts: 559
    Hmmm, Albon gets promoted to Red Bull, thought it would have been Kvyat
    1996: Toronto
    2003: St. Paul
    2005: Thunder Bay
    2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa
    2009: Chicago I, Chicago II
    2010: Boston
    2011: Toronto I, Toronto II, Winnipeg
    2012: Missoula
    2013: London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014: St. Paul, Milwaukee
    2016: Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II
    2022: Hamilton, Toronto 
    2023: St. Paul I, St. Paul II
    2024: Vancouver I, Vancouver II
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    PapPap Aspra Spitia, Greece Posts: 28,565
    eddiec said: When are the new changes coming in?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn2eisHLwwk
    Athens 2006 / Milton Keynes 2014 / London 1&2 2022 / Seattle 1&2 2024 / Dublin 2024 / Manchester 2024 / London 2024
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    Vettle almost committed suicide in frustration after spinning out and then burning out into oncoming traffic reentering the track.  The pressure is cracking him ... not a good look in your bosses hometown even though Ferrari has a long, long history of sending young drivers to fiery deaths
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    I really like the Monza.  Just a beautiful historic track with a great layout of wide open straights and turns meant for passing through the Italy forest
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    really good race!
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    PapPap Aspra Spitia, Greece Posts: 28,565
    After 9 long years...
    Thank you Charles!
    Athens 2006 / Milton Keynes 2014 / London 1&2 2022 / Seattle 1&2 2024 / Dublin 2024 / Manchester 2024 / London 2024
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,494
    After qualifying I was doubting my passion for F1.  Sunday reminded me.  Brilliant racing and the spectacle that is F1.  Ferrari wins at Monza!
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    erebuserebus Posts: 559
    F1 is getting exciting again. The last 4 or 5 races have been great! Lots of new talent rising. Now, if only they could make all the cars a little more equal....
    1996: Toronto
    2003: St. Paul
    2005: Thunder Bay
    2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa
    2009: Chicago I, Chicago II
    2010: Boston
    2011: Toronto I, Toronto II, Winnipeg
    2012: Missoula
    2013: London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014: St. Paul, Milwaukee
    2016: Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II
    2022: Hamilton, Toronto 
    2023: St. Paul I, St. Paul II
    2024: Vancouver I, Vancouver II
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    PapPap Aspra Spitia, Greece Posts: 28,565
    edited September 2019
    Finally, a 1-2 since Hungary 2017! :clap:
    Athens 2006 / Milton Keynes 2014 / London 1&2 2022 / Seattle 1&2 2024 / Dublin 2024 / Manchester 2024 / London 2024
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    PapPap Aspra Spitia, Greece Posts: 28,565
    #essereFerrari

    Athens 2006 / Milton Keynes 2014 / London 1&2 2022 / Seattle 1&2 2024 / Dublin 2024 / Manchester 2024 / London 2024
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    edited September 2019
    I'm just watching the replay ... I read there was some controversy about Ferrari pitting (boxing? :tongue: )  ... Leclerc actually had a 0.6 sec advantage in the pits over Vettel.  Leclerc needs to learn that racing sometimes involves actual racing and not trying to be a video game sim clockwork.  Vettel earned that win.
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    RygarRygar Posts: 8,685
    Jason P said:
    I'm just watching the replay ... I read there was some controversy about Ferrari pitting (boxing? :tongue: )  ... Leclerc actually had a 0.6 sec advantage in the pits over Vettel.  Leclerc needs to learn that racing sometimes involves actual racing and not trying to be a video game sim clockwork.  Vettel earned that win.
    I think there are a few unverified quotes or stats out there, like they asked Leclerc if he wanted to pit and he said no, so they brought Seb in, etc.
    Either way, Leclerc will be fine, team will be fine for next race.  Great drive from Vettel.
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,494
    Strange race for sure.  Love the setting even though the number of safety cars was ridiculous!  Great to see more competition at the front.
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    RygarRygar Posts: 8,685
    I was starting to think we would see a Singapore GP without a safety car, too...
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    erebuserebus Posts: 559
    edited September 2019
    Meh, here is my beef. The top 6 cars are driving slow to conserve their tires and nobody from 6th back can catch them! Needs to be more competitive throughout the field. Or have tiers. Really Williams has no business being in F1 at this point
    maybe bring back refueling and different tire manufacturers and reduce the communication from the pits and put more of an onus on the driver 
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    1996: Toronto
    2003: St. Paul
    2005: Thunder Bay
    2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa
    2009: Chicago I, Chicago II
    2010: Boston
    2011: Toronto I, Toronto II, Winnipeg
    2012: Missoula
    2013: London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014: St. Paul, Milwaukee
    2016: Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II
    2022: Hamilton, Toronto 
    2023: St. Paul I, St. Paul II
    2024: Vancouver I, Vancouver II
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    It appears that Mercedes has both the engineering advantage and common sense advantage over Ferrari.  Maybe Ferrari should focus on having their drivers racing instead of whatever backwards psychology they are cooking up.
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    It's comical. Ferrari got exactly what they deserved.
     
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    RygarRygar Posts: 8,685
    It's comical. Ferrari got exactly what they deserved.
     
    Well, that's a little extreme, but trying to stick to a strategy instead of evolving it with the race was rather daft.
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,494
    Italian confusion versus German precision.  Leclerc is a rookie and needs to keep his mouth shut. Vettel is a four time world champion. He should not have to concede anything to Leclerc if he is ahead fair and square. The kid is fast but show some class.
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