the U.S. government is "deeply disappointed"......

TriumphantAngel

over the Israeli governments plan to build 1,300 new housing units in East Jerusalem. Netanyahu has rewarded Vice President Biden for his staunch support of Israel by publicly humiliating the Vice President once again and sticking a finger in they eye of the Obama Administration.

that was 2 days ago. the Obama administration has been tip toeing around Israel's illegal settlement construction for what seems like forever. netanyahu makes them look stupid. big badass America. when did they become so afraid? letting Israel walk all over them.

and why is the U.S. government still going to move an additional $400 million worth of military equipment to emergency storage in Israel over the next two years. the equipment, which includes so-called smart bombs, will stand at Israel's disposal in an emergency. this will bring the value of American military equipment stockpiled in Israel to $1.2 billion by 2012.

this is how they reward someone who they are 'deeply dissapointed in?" i'd hate to see what they did if they were 'happy with them" OH come ON.

this is so wrong. the U.S. government are so fucked up. they do not have your best interests at heart. their motivation is greed, power and expanding the empire. they don't care about international law. they don't care about innocent people caught up in this mess. they are so corrupt. evil to the max.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... l-1.324046

catefrances

yes. im deeply disappointed too.

TriumphantAngel

it's clear Israel doesn't want peace. they don't even try and pretend they do anymore.

the U.S. government can feign 'deep disappointment" all they like. they are not fooling anyone. the international community and the US government need to stop simply condemning Israel's actions and start doing something to end it.

Smellyman

flip the script and the US would've bombed the shit out of Israel by now. Also, not the answer obviously...

Can't we just do what is RIGHT for once.....please!

gimmesometruth27

this is depressing. it is so fucking unfair how we can so nonchalantly arm a country with the human rights policies of israel, even while we are supposedly angry at them.

it makes me not want to live in a world where such blatant disregard for human decency and the disregard of wanting a real peace is so rampant. and it is all funded by my own government, who would invade any other country in the region if they had half of those weapons.. it makes me ashamed to be american, and in many ways ashamed to be a human being.

BinauralJam

TriumphantAngel wrote:

it's clear Israel doesn't want peace. they don't even try and pretend they do anymore.

the U.S. government can feign 'deep disappointment" all they like. they are not fooling anyone. the international community and the US government need to stop simply condemning Israel's actions and start doing something to end it.

Yup, the checks still in the mail.

TriumphantAngel

Smellyman wrote:

flip the script and the US would've bombed the shit out of Israel by now. Also, not the answer obviously...

Can't we just do what is RIGHT for once.....please!

oh how different things could be if it wasn't for U.S. continued unconditional support for the Israeli Government.

and yes. just do what's right. and this is not what's right.

unsung

This is another reason to get behind Ron Paul. His foreign policies would be a drastic change from what the last five administrations have had.

I'm beginning to believe most of you won't get in board is simply because of the (R) next to his name. Most of you will preach bipartisanship, yet then fail to practice it.

gimmesometruth27

unsung wrote:

This is another reason to get behind Ron Paul. His foreign policies would be a drastic change from what the last five administrations have had.

I'm beginning to believe most of you won't get in board is simply because of the (R) next to his name. Most of you will preach bipartisanship, yet then fail to practice it.

i call bullshit. the military industrial complex and the defense lobby and the oil/energy lobby would not allow ron paul, or any president to make any sweeping foreing policy changes at all. it looks good on paper, but in practice it would never ever happen. the middle east has resources we need, and for us to thug it up over there and have dealings with the arab countries we need allies in that region, so saudi arabia and israel will never face any repurcussions from the us government, unless they interfere with our interests in the region, then and only then will we ever do anything more than a verbal reprimand over the course of a few days in the world press. then it dies down and becomes a nonstory again.

dirtymike

unsung wrote:

This is another reason to get behind Ron Paul. His foreign policies would be a drastic change from what the last five administrations have had.

I'm beginning to believe most of you won't get in board is simply because of the (R) next to his name. Most of you will preach bipartisanship, yet then fail to practice it.

i tell you what. im a "bleeding heart liberal" very anti republican but if things keep going the way theyre going, id vote for ron paul if he ran in 2012 either as republican or indy

TriumphantAngel

unsung wrote:

This is another reason to get behind Ron Paul. His foreign policies would be a drastic change from what the last five administrations have had.

I'm beginning to believe most of you won't get in board is simply because of the (R) next to his name. Most of you will preach bipartisanship, yet then fail to practice it.

actually i would vote for ron paul based on his foreign policy alone.

the strong feeling i have on that would outweigh any issue i have with his domestic policy.

TriumphantAngel

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

this is depressing. it is so fucking unfair how we can so nonchalantly arm a country with the human rights policies of israel, even while we are supposedly angry at them.

it makes me not want to live in a world where such blatant disregard for human decency and the disregard of wanting a real peace is so rampant. and it is all funded by my own government, who would invade any other country in the region if they had half of those weapons.. it makes me ashamed to be american, and in many ways ashamed to be a human being.

i know what you mean when you say it's depressing but it can also make you more determined than ever. the government might not care but we still can.

gimmesometruth27

i don't have it in me anymore. i am sick of the official position being "deeply disappointed". what will it take to make us "outraged" or "pissed off" enough to force us to take some sort of action? it makes me feel like whatever i do does not matter. i post on here trying to educate people and a few read it, most probably don't. most people here are very smart and have an idea what is going on in the world, yet i come here and feel like i am preaching to the choir. when i talk to people in the real world they can not be bothered with the things that i talk about and am passionate about. if they are an accurate sample of the US population as a whole, it really is depressing and discouraging that they are unwilling to even read or research the things i tell them about. i can go out in the real world and yell about these things until i am blue in the face and they don't hear me. i can write my senator and congressmen and they won't hear me. i could write to obama and he would not hear me.

i dunno, i just kind of feel defeated when my government does things like this.

Smellyman

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't have it in me anymore. i am sick of the official position being "deeply disappointed". what will it take to make us "outraged" or "pissed off" enough to force us to take some sort of action? it makes me feel like whatever i do does not matter. i post on here trying to educate people and a few read it, most probably don't. most people here are very smart and have an idea what is going on in the world, yet i come here and feel like i am preaching to the choir. when i talk to people in the real world they can not be bothered with the things that i talk about and am passionate about. if they are an accurate sample of the US population as a whole, it really is depressing and discouraging that they are unwilling to even read or research the things i tell them about. i can go out in the real world and yell about these things until i am blue in the face and they don't hear me. i can write my senator and congressmen and they won't hear me. i could write to obama and he would not hear me.

i dunno, i just kind of feel defeated when my government does things like this.

I feel the same way. When ever I speak to someone about these issues I can get blank stares. Most people don't seem to care. Or I speak to someone who is quite engaged and passionate, but facts and evidence don't matter (see Godfather). Quite frustrating.

Living overseas and meeting people from all walks of life has given me hope in the human race. When Fox news and other US media isn't poisoning the brain, intelligent debate can be found, it is quite refreshing.

gimmesometruth27

Smellyman wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't have it in me anymore. i am sick of the official position being "deeply disappointed". what will it take to make us "outraged" or "pissed off" enough to force us to take some sort of action? it makes me feel like whatever i do does not matter. i post on here trying to educate people and a few read it, most probably don't. most people here are very smart and have an idea what is going on in the world, yet i come here and feel like i am preaching to the choir. when i talk to people in the real world they can not be bothered with the things that i talk about and am passionate about. if they are an accurate sample of the US population as a whole, it really is depressing and discouraging that they are unwilling to even read or research the things i tell them about. i can go out in the real world and yell about these things until i am blue in the face and they don't hear me. i can write my senator and congressmen and they won't hear me. i could write to obama and he would not hear me.

i dunno, i just kind of feel defeated when my government does things like this.

I feel the same way. When ever I speak to someone about these issues I can get blank stares. Most people don't seem to care. Or I speak to someone who is quite engaged and passionate, but facts and evidence don't matter (see Godfather). Quite frustrating.

Living overseas and meeting people from all walks of life has given me hope in the human race. When Fox news and other US media isn't poisoning the brain, intelligent debate can be found, it is quite refreshing.

see, i've lost hope in humanity. there is so much that i wanted to do and i just don't have a passion for activism anymore. i guess if you get burned one too many times it makes you feel helpless. i read a bunch of news today and i realize how helpless i am to change anything. i came here today and had serious arguments with people that would not even consider my side of the issue. it is almost like "what is the point of even discussing things anymore?" when no matter how hard you want things to change and be better you see no way that they ever can be. i mean, right fucking now would be the perfect time for my government, who is allegedly passionate about peace between israel and the palestinians, to stand up and say "ENOUGH!" WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS ANYMORE!!" and actually do something to force change. but instead we wag "the finger of shame" at israel while at the same time making backroom deals to arm them even more than they already are. the whole thing is just so fucked.

i'm sorry i am rambling, i am just not in a good place right now. i think i will step away for awhile.

whygohome

unsung wrote:

This is another reason to get behind Ron Paul. His foreign policies would be a drastic change from what the last five administrations have had.

I'm beginning to believe most of you won't get in board is simply because of the (R) next to his name. Most of you will preach bipartisanship, yet then fail to practice it.

I would have no problem with him being sworn in in 2013, but he can't gather the support that he needs. As you said, he has an (R) next to his name, which turns off Democrats and liberals, and his own party views him as a radical.

A shame. But what do you expect? People to actually do some research? to actually get involved beyond voting?

This is America....land of the TiVO!

Smellyman

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't have it in me anymore. i am sick of the official position being "deeply disappointed". what will it take to make us "outraged" or "pissed off" enough to force us to take some sort of action? it makes me feel like whatever i do does not matter. i post on here trying to educate people and a few read it, most probably don't. most people here are very smart and have an idea what is going on in the world, yet i come here and feel like i am preaching to the choir. when i talk to people in the real world they can not be bothered with the things that i talk about and am passionate about. if they are an accurate sample of the US population as a whole, it really is depressing and discouraging that they are unwilling to even read or research the things i tell them about. i can go out in the real world and yell about these things until i am blue in the face and they don't hear me. i can write my senator and congressmen and they won't hear me. i could write to obama and he would not hear me.

i dunno, i just kind of feel defeated when my government does things like this.

I feel the same way. When ever I speak to someone about these issues I can get blank stares. Most people don't seem to care. Or I speak to someone who is quite engaged and passionate, but facts and evidence don't matter (see Godfather). Quite frustrating.

Living overseas and meeting people from all walks of life has given me hope in the human race. When Fox news and other US media isn't poisoning the brain, intelligent debate can be found, it is quite refreshing.

see, i've lost hope in humanity. there is so much that i wanted to do and i just don't have a passion for activism anymore. i guess if you get burned one too many times it makes you feel helpless. i read a bunch of news today and i realize how helpless i am to change anything. i came here today and had serious arguments with people that would not even consider my side of the issue. it is almost like "what is the point of even discussing things anymore?" when no matter how hard you want things to change and be better you see no way that they ever can be. i mean, right fucking now would be the perfect time for my government, who is allegedly passionate about peace between israel and the palestinians, to stand up and say "ENOUGH!" WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS ANYMORE!!" and actually do something to force change. but instead we wag "the finger of shame" at israel while at the same time making backroom deals to arm them even more than they already are. the whole thing is just so fucked.

i'm sorry i am rambling, i am just not in a good place right now. i think i will step away for awhile.

I've lost hope in US gov, not humanity yet.

whygohome

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't have it in me anymore. i am sick of the official position being "deeply disappointed". what will it take to make us "outraged" or "pissed off" enough to force us to take some sort of action? it makes me feel like whatever i do does not matter. i post on here trying to educate people and a few read it, most probably don't. most people here are very smart and have an idea what is going on in the world, yet i come here and feel like i am preaching to the choir. when i talk to people in the real world they can not be bothered with the things that i talk about and am passionate about. if they are an accurate sample of the US population as a whole, it really is depressing and discouraging that they are unwilling to even read or research the things i tell them about. i can go out in the real world and yell about these things until i am blue in the face and they don't hear me. i can write my senator and congressmen and they won't hear me. i could write to obama and he would not hear me.

i dunno, i just kind of feel defeated when my government does things like this.

I feel the same way. When ever I speak to someone about these issues I can get blank stares. Most people don't seem to care. Or I speak to someone who is quite engaged and passionate, but facts and evidence don't matter (see Godfather). Quite frustrating.

Living overseas and meeting people from all walks of life has given me hope in the human race. When Fox news and other US media isn't poisoning the brain, intelligent debate can be found, it is quite refreshing.

see, i've lost hope in humanity. there is so much that i wanted to do and i just don't have a passion for activism anymore. i guess if you get burned one too many times it makes you feel helpless. i read a bunch of news today and i realize how helpless i am to change anything. i came here today and had serious arguments with people that would not even consider my side of the issue. it is almost like "what is the point of even discussing things anymore?" when no matter how hard you want things to change and be better you see no way that they ever can be. i mean, right fucking now would be the perfect time for my government, who is allegedly passionate about peace between israel and the palestinians, to stand up and say "ENOUGH!" WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS ANYMORE!!" and actually do something to force change. but instead we wag "the finger of shame" at israel while at the same time making backroom deals to arm them even more than they already are. the whole thing is just so fucked.

i'm sorry i am rambling, i am just not in a good place right now. i think i will step away for awhile.

I'm with you.

I just had a weekend reunion of sorts with friends from college (and their wives) and talking about real world shit is like pulling teeth. I had a good convo with a friend about gay marriage, but when I talked politics with some friends - in a convo that lasted only 10 minutes - I was bombarded with Obama bashing by people who read People and watch celebrities dance on TV.

It is frustrating, but I do have a group of friends, and my girlfriend, to discuss politics, culture, and society with, so that's good. It really is a shame though, if we were all engaged and informed, we would all be better off. But, that statement would be accused of being "Socialist."

gimmesometruth27

whygohome wrote:

I'm with you.

I just had a weekend reunion of sorts with friends from college (and their wives) and talking about real world shit is like pulling teeth. I had a good convo with a friend about gay marriage, but when I talked politics with some friends - in a convo that lasted only 10 minutes - I was bombarded with Obama bashing by people who read People and watch celebrities dance on TV.

It is frustrating, but I do have a group of friends, and my girlfriend, to discuss politics, culture, and society with, so that's good. It really is a shame though, if we were all engaged and informed, we would all be better off. But, that statement would be accused of being "Socialist."

my friends are the same way. they watch the same shit on tv and have no clue about what is going on in the world, but they can tell you who got voted off of survivor or who is going to be the next top chef or whatever the fuck gordon ramsey does, and who is gonna win the amazing race, but they can not name 3 things obama has accomplished in the 2 years he was in office.... i hear ya and i know how cool it is to be able to discuss these real things with a girlfriend, and i miss that, and i agree if people would get off of the couch, and engage in current events, the american culture and society would be so much better off....instead we are on our way to "idiocracy" and within 3 generations we will be there for sure...what is troubling me is that our country is in a position to actually do something to help achieve a just and lasting peace in the middle east, yet we do nothing about it other than tell the press how "disappointed" we are while allowing settlement construction to resume and making backroom arms deals with the ones that are stealing land and holding the palestinians hostage in their own land....it is shameful.