amazon.com sells pedophile's guide
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Amazon defends 'Pedophile's Guide'
-NEW YORK — Amazon is selling a self-published book defending pedophiles, sparking discussions about the retailer's obligation to vet items before they are sold in its online stores, and threats of boycott from Amazon customers if the book is not removed.
The book, " The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover's Code of Conduct" by Philip R. Greaves II, offers advice to pedophiles afraid of becoming the center of retaliation. It is an electronic book available for Amazon.com Inc.'s Kindle e-reader.
The author's description (misspellings included) reads:
"This is my attempt to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certian rules for these adults to follow. I hope to achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals, with hope that their doing so will result in less hatred and perhaps liter sentences should they ever be caught."
Amazon issued a statement that will no doubt fuel the outraged comments multiplying on the "Pedophile's Guide" Amazon page. "Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable," it reads. "Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts, however, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions."
As a private company, Amazon has the right to sell whatever it wants as long as it's legal, and as such, offers books that cater to Holocaust deniers and other hate groups, as well as graphic dog fighting and cock fighting videos. Adult (legal) pornography, while available in book and magazine form, is not permitted in the Kindle e-reader store. This is possibly because of its iTunes partnership with the notoriously porn-free Apple which removed both "Ulysses" and the "Kama Sutra" from its own book store.
Video: Why was Amazon selling pedophilia guide? (on this page)
A customer review on the "Pedophile's Guide" Amazon page written by "Outraged Mother" reads, "The line of immorality is at best a zone with ill defined boundaries. Whatever. This crosses into the unsavory and shameful side of the zone. Take it down."
"There is a point when, even though a company has a no-censorship policy, that selling certain books is simply wrong," reads "Disgusting Abomination," another customer review. "Not censoring is one thing, and I commend that, but choosing to sell this book on a site that accessed by millions of people (including children) daily is reprehensible. This is a disgusting choice you have made, Amazon. Whatever money you are making off this book can't be worth the ire you are receiving for selling it."
In an unexplained turn of events, more than 103 customer reviews populated the "Pedophile's Guide" page earlier today, when news first broke about the book's availability, but dropped down to less than 30 by late afternoon. The number of reviews has since grown to over 60.
As news and outrage about the book spread, the first (presumed) Internet jokester chimed in with "A fantastic guide," the first five star review:
"I can't thank Amazon enough for keeping this great work of literature up for those of us with 'special tastes.' The instructions and images in the guide were extremely insightful and led to a wonderful experience for both myself and my partner. Thank you for protecting free speech, Amazon!"
In 2002, Amazon.com cited the First Amendment as justification for offering another book that advocates adult-child sex, "Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers," by David L. Riegel. Further, the paperback book is still available on the site.
At that time, Amazon stated, "Our goal is to support freedom of expression and to provide customers with the broadest selection possible so they can find, discover, and buy any title they might be seeking."
An Amazon employee emphasized that "Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers" was "not a 'how-to' manual for molesting children. The author simply expresses his point of view about what he feels are misunderstood."
"Pedophile's Guide" has also triggered mounting outrage on Twitter and beyond. A chorus of Twitter users is calling for Amazon to pull the book, and a campaign to push the hashtag #BoycottAmazon into Twitter's top trends is underway.
A keyword search for "Amazon" on the microblogging network reveals a growing number of retweets featuring Amazon's contact info and urges to keep calling and e-mailing "until the book is removed."
Amazon defends 'Pedophile's Guide'
-NEW YORK — Amazon is selling a self-published book defending pedophiles, sparking discussions about the retailer's obligation to vet items before they are sold in its online stores, and threats of boycott from Amazon customers if the book is not removed.
The book, " The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover's Code of Conduct" by Philip R. Greaves II, offers advice to pedophiles afraid of becoming the center of retaliation. It is an electronic book available for Amazon.com Inc.'s Kindle e-reader.
The author's description (misspellings included) reads:
"This is my attempt to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certian rules for these adults to follow. I hope to achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals, with hope that their doing so will result in less hatred and perhaps liter sentences should they ever be caught."
Amazon issued a statement that will no doubt fuel the outraged comments multiplying on the "Pedophile's Guide" Amazon page. "Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable," it reads. "Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts, however, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions."
As a private company, Amazon has the right to sell whatever it wants as long as it's legal, and as such, offers books that cater to Holocaust deniers and other hate groups, as well as graphic dog fighting and cock fighting videos. Adult (legal) pornography, while available in book and magazine form, is not permitted in the Kindle e-reader store. This is possibly because of its iTunes partnership with the notoriously porn-free Apple which removed both "Ulysses" and the "Kama Sutra" from its own book store.
Video: Why was Amazon selling pedophilia guide? (on this page)
A customer review on the "Pedophile's Guide" Amazon page written by "Outraged Mother" reads, "The line of immorality is at best a zone with ill defined boundaries. Whatever. This crosses into the unsavory and shameful side of the zone. Take it down."
"There is a point when, even though a company has a no-censorship policy, that selling certain books is simply wrong," reads "Disgusting Abomination," another customer review. "Not censoring is one thing, and I commend that, but choosing to sell this book on a site that accessed by millions of people (including children) daily is reprehensible. This is a disgusting choice you have made, Amazon. Whatever money you are making off this book can't be worth the ire you are receiving for selling it."
In an unexplained turn of events, more than 103 customer reviews populated the "Pedophile's Guide" page earlier today, when news first broke about the book's availability, but dropped down to less than 30 by late afternoon. The number of reviews has since grown to over 60.
As news and outrage about the book spread, the first (presumed) Internet jokester chimed in with "A fantastic guide," the first five star review:
"I can't thank Amazon enough for keeping this great work of literature up for those of us with 'special tastes.' The instructions and images in the guide were extremely insightful and led to a wonderful experience for both myself and my partner. Thank you for protecting free speech, Amazon!"
In 2002, Amazon.com cited the First Amendment as justification for offering another book that advocates adult-child sex, "Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers," by David L. Riegel. Further, the paperback book is still available on the site.
At that time, Amazon stated, "Our goal is to support freedom of expression and to provide customers with the broadest selection possible so they can find, discover, and buy any title they might be seeking."
An Amazon employee emphasized that "Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers" was "not a 'how-to' manual for molesting children. The author simply expresses his point of view about what he feels are misunderstood."
"Pedophile's Guide" has also triggered mounting outrage on Twitter and beyond. A chorus of Twitter users is calling for Amazon to pull the book, and a campaign to push the hashtag #BoycottAmazon into Twitter's top trends is underway.
A keyword search for "Amazon" on the microblogging network reveals a growing number of retweets featuring Amazon's contact info and urges to keep calling and e-mailing "until the book is removed."
fuck 'em if they can't take a joke
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
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Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
Seriously though, Boycotting is Cool
It's Censorship i have a problem with.
this will be intresting to watch, see how it plays out.
A few years ago a book came out called something like LipStick Party, about teen age girls all wearing different colored lipstick and blowing some boys and the boys compare, i dont really know to be honest.
But it was completly Censored, there wasn't a media outlet that would sell it.
I don't care how Fucked up a book, movie, song, etc seems, we ain't in China, Censorship is Wrong.
In my opinion
I think Amazon is going to become the internet version of Walmart. A company that is held in disdain because they are efficient, cater to the customer, and provide outstanding service at a very low price. You know, all the things that business strive for in order to be successful.
For myself, I'm a huge fan of Amazon. The individual reviews are awesome for determining the quality of a potential purchase. They offer free shipping. There is no sales tax. It arrives at my doorstep, thus saving me a time and fuel. They have great customer service. And the best part is that I have saved thousands of dollars using them.
its a slippery slope
amazon has the right to sell or not sell as they see fit
i just do no see it as morally fit or right to sell a sexual guide with tips, positions, and how to rape a child while staying in the confines of codes to recieve a lighter sentence if caught
the sale of dog and cock fights perpetuates these acts of abuse and had i learned of this alone i would still boycott
amazon has the right to sell any and all of these and more
but i find it repugnant and reprehensible
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
Ballsy
Cause i gotta tell ya, if i was a parent in that community...
Well everybody's scene Nightmare on Elm Street right.
not defending pedos here (or dog/cock fighting either), but look at the number of books on amazon related to marijuana (growing, using, evading law enforcement, etc.). Boycotts themselves are a slippery slope, because an effective boycott would in essence lead to censorship.
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
boycotting is slippery yes
the more attention this gets
the more copy it will sell
and you cannot compare growing weed with raping children
i will be physically incapable of ordering anything as the thought of all this makes me ill
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
Both are against the law. The rest is just shades of morality.
And don't forget The Anarchist's Cookbook
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
rules for paedophiles to follow???
how about rule #1
dont touch the kids.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
that would make the book too short.
i'm never one to agree with boycotting anything............but this seems like a good one. although, i don't buy things from amazon anyway, so it's all moot with me.
create an evil book that targets children.........do not act surprised when you cross paths with an individual whose goal is to erase you.
i love my wife.
Totally agree. No need to say more.
For what it's worth, the book definitely fails the Miller test. According to the Supreme Court, a work can be censored if the average person would find it sexual in nature, if it depicts sexual behavior that has been defined by law, and if it lacks literary/artistic/political/scientific value.
I'm pretty sure a book promoting pedophilia fits the bill.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I remember some radio DJ is San Diego thought the best way to round up dead-beat dads and people with outstanding warrants was to put up a marquee that announced "FREE RAIDERS JERSEYS AND COCKFIGHTING INSIDE" and then just arrest everyone that walked through the door.
The thing that amazes me about this is that sooner or later, someone's kid is going to get raped by someone who possesses this book, and then both the author and amazon will find themselves in court. I don't know what a judge would decide, but I think it'll happen.
Pedophiles believe what they are doing is OK. Most of them will tell you that sexually abusing children is wrong, and they believe that, but they believe that what they themselves have done isn't abuse, it's consentual and loving. The danger in this book is that pedophiles will read it, and it will validate these beliefs, and embolden them. I think that's why the author didn't publish under a psudonym- he absolutely believes he's done nothing wrong. Does that mean the book has a right to be censored? I don't know. I'm a writer, I'm a big proponant of freedom of expression. I'm actually trying to get a novel that has a few plot elements concerning child sexual abuse published now, and agents and editors don't want to touch it with a ten-foot pole, saying there's no market for it. Apparently saying CSA is a BAD thing is less profitable than saying it's a GOOD thing.
The other thing I have to wonder about is what Amazon would do if someone tried to self-publish something like "a terrorist's guide to out-doing 9/11" on their website, or "how to assinate President Obama- featuring never-before-seen schematics of the White House and details of the Secret Service". Somehow, I have a feeling that all talk of censorship would fall to the wayside and Amazon wouldn't sell it, period. The risk to them, and to society, would be very obvious.
slippery slope??? bullshit. its a book on how to rape children. seems pretty flat to me. amazon should grow some balls, take some responsibilty for what it is they do sell and deny this book space. imo.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Though what defines a child? In California a child is someone under the age of 18, whereas in Spain it's someone under the age of 13.
So if you live in California and you have sex with a 17 year old, or just think about having sex with a 17
year old, are you a pedophile?
We need to distinguish between the biological definition and the legal definition. As far as I can tell the legal definition is totally arbitrary and confused as applied by individual countries, or states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child
'Biologically, a child (plural: children) is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty. The legal definition of "child" generally refers to a minor, otherwise known as a person younger than the age of majority.'
For the sake of accuracy the term pedophile should realy only be applied to those people who have sex with, or fantasize about having sex with, pre-pubescents.
That 17 year old American lad who got a 10 year stretch after getting a blow-job from his 15 year old girlfriend was pretty fucked-up in my opinion.