did oklahoma really vote in favor of this???
gimmesometruth27
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i am just really surprised that this was on the ballot, as if it were ever to happen or something...
so does this mean that in case radical muslims take over the government and state of oklahoma they would have had to follow US law? i am prety certain that if our country was ever invaded and overthrown the invading people will invoke whatever laws they want to and will judge based on whatever they want to as well.
it is just funny to me that there is such a fear that sharia law will ever be implemented anywhere in this country.
Court order blocks Okla. amendment on Islamic law
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101108/ap_ ... aw_lawsuit
OKLAHOMA CITY – A federal judge has issued a temporary restraining order blocking a state constitutional amendment that prohibits state courts from considering international or Islamic law when deciding cases.
U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange ruled Monday morning in Oklahoma City following a brief hearing. It prevents the state election board from certifying the results of Tuesday's general election in which the amendment was approved by 70 percent of the voters.
The order will remain in effect until a Nov. 22 hearing on a requested preliminary injunction.
It was issued in a lawsuit filed by the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Oklahoma. Muneer Awad said during the hearing that the law stigmatizes his religion.
so does this mean that in case radical muslims take over the government and state of oklahoma they would have had to follow US law? i am prety certain that if our country was ever invaded and overthrown the invading people will invoke whatever laws they want to and will judge based on whatever they want to as well.
it is just funny to me that there is such a fear that sharia law will ever be implemented anywhere in this country.
Court order blocks Okla. amendment on Islamic law
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101108/ap_ ... aw_lawsuit
OKLAHOMA CITY – A federal judge has issued a temporary restraining order blocking a state constitutional amendment that prohibits state courts from considering international or Islamic law when deciding cases.
U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange ruled Monday morning in Oklahoma City following a brief hearing. It prevents the state election board from certifying the results of Tuesday's general election in which the amendment was approved by 70 percent of the voters.
The order will remain in effect until a Nov. 22 hearing on a requested preliminary injunction.
It was issued in a lawsuit filed by the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Oklahoma. Muneer Awad said during the hearing that the law stigmatizes his religion.
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it definitely makes sense for judges to not consider religious law when deciding cases, considering they are only supposed to way the case in front of them as it applies to the laws on the books, but why they had to throw islamic law in there is beyond me. It seems like one of those situations like where the republicans used gay marriage intiatives on ballots around the country to boost their turn out. in their defense it is a good tactic, but often times produces scary results.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
cases are to be decided on legal precedent from cases that came before that case, but sometimes judges base their decisions on other things. the laws can be widely interpreted and widely applied, and when this happens the judge becomes known as an "activist judge". i think basing decisions on the 10 commandments is the same as applying sharia law in those decisions. that is just me though.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
as for the ten commandments
NOT a christian writing, but adopted by christians
how many commandments are actually laws, 2?
and they can be bent . . .
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
does that mean in OK you can now beat your wife and kill your children ?
Godfather.
totally agree, religion should not enter into the picture when it comes to deciding cases based on the law.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Out of curiosity, I wonder how detailed the Islamic law is. The Ten Commandments, if considered law, are pretty general. 1-4 basically state to honor God and not to mess with him. 5 and 6 are about being nice to your parents and try not to murder anybody. And the rest are about not having sex with your neighbor or stealing their stuff. 1-4 is a way to keep followers in check and the rest are what I consider common sense no matter what your opinion on religion is.
unless its for god or country
so stupid.
the USA should change it's name to UIU
uninformed, ignorant and uneducated.
Embarassing, but not surprising at all.
we are not all like that you know.
i got this paintbrush for you when i went to the hardware store...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
and yeah i know not all are like that.
pity that there are so many that are though.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Australia has to put its hand up as well.
Its the leaders playing to the Racists/ bigots and religos ( far right religos)
a sharp ( very sharp ) decline since sept 11 but im ashamed to say it was starting in Australia before then.
Pauline Hanson was our Sarah Palin. Dumb bitch with simplistic, populist crap. and the media didnt help.
I actually attended one of her rallys to hear what she had to say, ( got spat on by my Uni lecturer) a hell a lot of it was completely misrepreented in the media. but it was also simplistic ( example - our currency was bad, just print more money)
sad.
I dont know many Muslime
I dont dont many Jews etc
but I wish I did so I could learn more about everything
see how ridiculous that sounds? just as ridiculous as that ammendment they passed....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Hail, Hail!!!
DRILING FOR FEAR
its the fear mongeres
LOOK OUT Look Out the big bad muslims are coming to get you. they are going to make your wife wear a burqua. you wont be able to eat roast pork.
of course its pretty stupid, but there are a lot of stupid people who buy into it, and thus the mongeres get into office .
You either have to be for ALL religions or for none. You don't get to pick and choose.
Which is exactly why this proposition is so fucking stupid.
In the U.S., there is a separation of church and state... government cannot endorse one, nor can it condemn one. Government is and should not be in place to tell us which religion is good and which is bad... that is OUR choice to make.
Which makes this whole thing pretty moronic. Does anyone here think that someone elected to the OKLAHOMA state legislature is EVER going to draft a bill based on Shria Law??? And even if he were to do so... that the OKLAHOMA State Legislature would make it law??? Really??? In OKLAHOMA... does anyone here really believe that?
Hail, Hail!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Dearborn Michigan is heavily populated by Muslims, I could see it tried out there.
I don't think England is a part of the United States anymore... and even if the Michigan State Legislature were to pass a Shria Law... which, it probably never will... the Supreme Court would strike it down citing the First Amendment because it endorses one religion (Islam) over the others.
So, everyone can rest their fears... there will be Islamic Shria Law in America where there is Christian Shria Law that enforces the 7th Commandment and outlaws Adultery and makes it a Capital offense that warrants the Death Penalty... by stoning. That day is never going to come.
Hail, Hail!!!
It's more common than you might think. England also has Beth Din courts that rule on Jewish cases, and that's been active for the better part of a century. There was a motion quite a few years back to have two separate laws in New Zealand - one overall law, and a separate tribal law for Maori. Personally, I'm not in favor of the concept (the motion failed in NZ, by the way). I think there's a big need for greater cultural understanding, but I think it's a bad idea to start splitting up a nation's laws based on different ethnic/religious groups - especially in a country that was founded on the concept of keeping religion out of the courtroom (despite what Republicans would have you believe). As a New Zealander in America, I recognize that the moment I stepped off the plane in Los Angeles, I forfeited my right to be tried under New Zealand law (unfortunately, that also means I forfeited my right to free healthcare, but that's another story for another thread). While I appreciate that to Muslims these are deep-seated religious beliefs, I believe that if you move to another country you can't expect that country to change its legal system to suit you. If you want to practice your own religion in your own home, and if you want to attend a church/synagogue/mosque to worship with others, I think you should be free to - but I also think that if you break the law, the ruling should be based on what the law says, not on what is preached in your church/synagogue/mosque.