did oklahoma really vote in favor of this???

gimmesometruth27

i am just really surprised that this was on the ballot, as if it were ever to happen or something...

so does this mean that in case radical muslims take over the government and state of oklahoma they would have had to follow US law? i am prety certain that if our country was ever invaded and overthrown the invading people will invoke whatever laws they want to and will judge based on whatever they want to as well.

it is just funny to me that there is such a fear that sharia law will ever be implemented anywhere in this country.


Court order blocks Okla. amendment on Islamic law

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101108/ap_ ... aw_lawsuit

OKLAHOMA CITY – A federal judge has issued a temporary restraining order blocking a state constitutional amendment that prohibits state courts from considering international or Islamic law when deciding cases.

U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange ruled Monday morning in Oklahoma City following a brief hearing. It prevents the state election board from certifying the results of Tuesday's general election in which the amendment was approved by 70 percent of the voters.

The order will remain in effect until a Nov. 22 hearing on a requested preliminary injunction.

It was issued in a lawsuit filed by the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Oklahoma. Muneer Awad said during the hearing that the law stigmatizes his religion.

mikepegg44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am just really surprised that this was on the ballot, as if it were ever to happen or something...

so does this mean that in case radical muslims take over the government and state of oklahoma they would have had to follow US law? i am prety certain that if our country was ever invaded and overthrown the invading people will invoke whatever laws they want to and will judge based on whatever they want to as well.

it is just funny to me that there is such a fear that sharia law will ever be implemented anywhere in this country.


Court order blocks Okla. amendment on Islamic law

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101108/ap_ ... aw_lawsuit

OKLAHOMA CITY – A federal judge has issued a temporary restraining order blocking a state constitutional amendment that prohibits state courts from considering international or Islamic law when deciding cases.

U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange ruled Monday morning in Oklahoma City following a brief hearing. It prevents the state election board from certifying the results of Tuesday's general election in which the amendment was approved by 70 percent of the voters.

The order will remain in effect until a Nov. 22 hearing on a requested preliminary injunction.

It was issued in a lawsuit filed by the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Oklahoma. Muneer Awad said during the hearing that the law stigmatizes his religion.

it definitely makes sense for judges to not consider religious law when deciding cases, considering they are only supposed to way the case in front of them as it applies to the laws on the books, but why they had to throw islamic law in there is beyond me. It seems like one of those situations like where the republicans used gay marriage intiatives on ballots around the country to boost their turn out. in their defense it is a good tactic, but often times produces scary results.

gimmesometruth27

mikepegg44 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am just really surprised that this was on the ballot, as if it were ever to happen or something...

so does this mean that in case radical muslims take over the government and state of oklahoma they would have had to follow US law? i am prety certain that if our country was ever invaded and overthrown the invading people will invoke whatever laws they want to and will judge based on whatever they want to as well.

it is just funny to me that there is such a fear that sharia law will ever be implemented anywhere in this country.


Court order blocks Okla. amendment on Islamic law

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101108/ap_ ... aw_lawsuit

OKLAHOMA CITY – A federal judge has issued a temporary restraining order blocking a state constitutional amendment that prohibits state courts from considering international or Islamic law when deciding cases.

U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange ruled Monday morning in Oklahoma City following a brief hearing. It prevents the state election board from certifying the results of Tuesday's general election in which the amendment was approved by 70 percent of the voters.

The order will remain in effect until a Nov. 22 hearing on a requested preliminary injunction.

It was issued in a lawsuit filed by the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Oklahoma. Muneer Awad said during the hearing that the law stigmatizes his religion.

it definitely makes sense for judges to not consider religious law when deciding cases, considering they are only supposed to way the case in front of them as it applies to the laws on the books, but why they had to throw islamic law in there is beyond me. It seems like one of those situations like where the republicans used gay marriage intiatives on ballots around the country to boost their turn out. in their defense it is a good tactic, but often times produces scary results.

how often do judges consider the 10 commandments when deciding cases? in fact, didn't they put a big ass sculpture of the 10 commandments outside a court building in alabama or something a few years ago?

cases are to be decided on legal precedent from cases that came before that case, but sometimes judges base their decisions on other things. the laws can be widely interpreted and widely applied, and when this happens the judge becomes known as an "activist judge". i think basing decisions on the 10 commandments is the same as applying sharia law in those decisions. that is just me though.

mysticweed

law of the land prevails

as for the ten commandments
NOT a christian writing, but adopted by christians

how many commandments are actually laws, 2?
and they can be bent . . .

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am just really surprised that this was on the ballot, as if it were ever to happen or something...

so does this mean that in case radical muslims take over the government and state of oklahoma they would have had to follow US law? i am prety certain that if our country was ever invaded and overthrown the invading people will invoke whatever laws they want to and will judge based on whatever they want to as well.

it is just funny to me that there is such a fear that sharia law will ever be implemented anywhere in this country.


Court order blocks Okla. amendment on Islamic law

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101108/ap_ ... aw_lawsuit

OKLAHOMA CITY – A federal judge has issued a temporary restraining order blocking a state constitutional amendment that prohibits state courts from considering international or Islamic law when deciding cases.

U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange ruled Monday morning in Oklahoma City following a brief hearing. It prevents the state election board from certifying the results of Tuesday's general election in which the amendment was approved by 70 percent of the voters.

The order will remain in effect until a Nov. 22 hearing on a requested preliminary injunction.

It was issued in a lawsuit filed by the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Oklahoma. Muneer Awad said during the hearing that the law stigmatizes his religion.

does that mean in OK you can now beat your wife and kill your children ?

Godfather.

mikepegg44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am just really surprised that this was on the ballot, as if it were ever to happen or something...

so does this mean that in case radical muslims take over the government and state of oklahoma they would have had to follow US law? i am prety certain that if our country was ever invaded and overthrown the invading people will invoke whatever laws they want to and will judge based on whatever they want to as well.

it is just funny to me that there is such a fear that sharia law will ever be implemented anywhere in this country.


Court order blocks Okla. amendment on Islamic law

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101108/ap_ ... aw_lawsuit

OKLAHOMA CITY – A federal judge has issued a temporary restraining order blocking a state constitutional amendment that prohibits state courts from considering international or Islamic law when deciding cases.

U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange ruled Monday morning in Oklahoma City following a brief hearing. It prevents the state election board from certifying the results of Tuesday's general election in which the amendment was approved by 70 percent of the voters.

The order will remain in effect until a Nov. 22 hearing on a requested preliminary injunction.

It was issued in a lawsuit filed by the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Oklahoma. Muneer Awad said during the hearing that the law stigmatizes his religion.

it definitely makes sense for judges to not consider religious law when deciding cases, considering they are only supposed to way the case in front of them as it applies to the laws on the books, but why they had to throw islamic law in there is beyond me. It seems like one of those situations like where the republicans used gay marriage intiatives on ballots around the country to boost their turn out. in their defense it is a good tactic, but often times produces scary results.

how often do judges consider the 10 commandments when deciding cases? in fact, didn't they put a big ass sculpture of the 10 commandments outside a court building in alabama or something a few years ago?

cases are to be decided on legal precedent from cases that came before that case, but sometimes judges base their decisions on other things. the laws can be widely interpreted and widely applied, and when this happens the judge becomes known as an "activist judge". i think basing decisions on the 10 commandments is the same as applying sharia law in those decisions. that is just me though.

totally agree, religion should not enter into the picture when it comes to deciding cases based on the law.

Jason P

It sounds like the measure was more for political grandstanding.

Out of curiosity, I wonder how detailed the Islamic law is. The Ten Commandments, if considered law, are pretty general. 1-4 basically state to honor God and not to mess with him. 5 and 6 are about being nice to your parents and try not to murder anybody. And the rest are about not having sex with your neighbor or stealing their stuff. 1-4 is a way to keep followers in check and the rest are what I consider common sense no matter what your opinion on religion is.

ONCE DEVIDED

Though shall not kill
unless its for god or country

TriumphantAngel

if you consider that muslims make up less than 0.1% of the population in Oklahoma and the biggest terror attack in Oklahoma was carried out by a Christian (McVeigh) who was not a Muslim, maybe Oklahoma should consider banning the Ten Commandments as well.

so stupid.

the USA should change it's name to UIU

uninformed, ignorant and uneducated.

Nitsua87

I live in Oklahoma City, and, yep, it passed by about 80% of the note. Not really sure why it's neccesary other than the authors of the legislation were running for re-election and needed something to campaign on.

Embarassing, but not surprising at all.

gimmesometruth27

TriumphantAngel wrote:

the USA should change it's name to UIU

uninformed, ignorant and uneducated.

we are not all like that you know.

i got this paintbrush for you when i went to the hardware store...



i kid, i kid....

TriumphantAngel

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

the USA should change it's name to UIU

uninformed, ignorant and uneducated.

we are not all like that you know.

i'm referring to the people who have a negative view of Muslims and Islam in particular, especially those whose opinion is shaped largely by the bullshit and fearmongering they see in the media. they fear what they don't understand .they hate and that hate breeds violence. they marginalize an entire population, an entire religion, and it's not good for the country. It endangers Muslims within America, and provokes animosity toward America around the world.

and yeah i know not all are like that.

pity that there are so many that are though.

gimmesometruth27

i just re-read my initial post....they were going to amend the state constitution for this lol... :( ...i think of all of the great and noble amendments to my state and our federal constitutions over the years and i just have to shake my head and laugh at how far the american society has regressed, in my own lifetime...

ONCE DEVIDED

Its not Only Americans
Australia has to put its hand up as well.
Its the leaders playing to the Racists/ bigots and religos ( far right religos)
a sharp ( very sharp ) decline since sept 11 but im ashamed to say it was starting in Australia before then.
Pauline Hanson was our Sarah Palin. Dumb bitch with simplistic, populist crap. and the media didnt help.

I actually attended one of her rallys to hear what she had to say, ( got spat on by my Uni lecturer) a hell a lot of it was completely misrepreented in the media. but it was also simplistic ( example - our currency was bad, just print more money)
sad.
I dont know many Muslime
I dont dont many Jews etc
but I wish I did so I could learn more about everything

unsung

I believe people should be treated equally, Sharia Law enables the circumvention of our laws and puts those that follow it on a different level.

gimmesometruth27

unsung wrote:

I believe people should be treated equally, Sharia Law enables the circumvention of our laws and puts those that follow it on a different level.

how will sharia law circumvent our laws? are 15 million muslims going to move to oklahoma, all run for public office, unseat all of the non-muslim congress people, the governor, etc, and with a popular vote pass an ammendment to the state constitution inplementing sharia law???

see how ridiculous that sounds? just as ridiculous as that ammendment they passed....

Cosmo

Oklahoma may as well pass a state Constitutional Amendment making it illegal to eat used kitty litter because... come on, who is going to do either?

aerial

If this is a stupid an idea...why would the judge issue a temporary restraining order....but the first question should be why the law suit?

ONCE DEVIDED

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

unsung wrote:

I believe people should be treated equally, Sharia Law enables the circumvention of our laws and puts those that follow it on a different level.

how will sharia law circumvent our laws? are 15 million muslims going to move to oklahoma, all run for public office, unseat all of the non-muslim congress people, the governor, etc, and with a popular vote pass an ammendment to the state constitution inplementing sharia law???

see how ridiculous that sounds? just as ridiculous as that ammendment they passed....

DRILING FOR FEAR
its the fear mongeres
LOOK OUT Look Out the big bad muslims are coming to get you. they are going to make your wife wear a burqua. you wont be able to eat roast pork.
of course its pretty stupid, but there are a lot of stupid people who buy into it, and thus the mongeres get into office .

unsung

You guys sit here and slam Catholics for their beliefs but then say Muslims have the right to practice theirs.

You either have to be for ALL religions or for none. You don't get to pick and choose.

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

You guys sit here and slam Catholics for their beliefs but then say Muslims have the right to practice theirs.

You either have to be for ALL religions or for none. You don't get to pick and choose.

...
Which is exactly why this proposition is so fucking stupid.
In the U.S., there is a separation of church and state... government cannot endorse one, nor can it condemn one. Government is and should not be in place to tell us which religion is good and which is bad... that is OUR choice to make.
Which makes this whole thing pretty moronic. Does anyone here think that someone elected to the OKLAHOMA state legislature is EVER going to draft a bill based on Shria Law??? And even if he were to do so... that the OKLAHOMA State Legislature would make it law??? Really??? In OKLAHOMA... does anyone here really believe that?