my ONLY complaint with PJ

12345AGNST1

im sure some of you, or all of you are sick of hearing "tour everywhere possible PJ!!!" and all these other small complaints, but im sure some may agree on this one:

PJ writes tooo many 3 minute songs. anytime i listen to a boot, soo many of there songs are 3 minutes. they play 30+ songs per concert, but alot of those songs are not long at all. i think for PJ's next album they should write some 5-7 minute songs, experiment a little.

anyone feel the same?

mrwalkerb

no, long songs are fine if they're good but short songs are way cooler, I've never thought "I really dig this song but wish it were longer" but many times do I want a song to be shorter, far too many good songs are just ok because they drag on too long

Bu$chlager

I have to say that I have noticed this as well, and sort of agree. My main issue is with the lack of use of McCready. I really don't know why he seems to get the shaft on a lot of songs.

This was particularily noticeable with the RHCP album coming out at the same time as PJ's latest. The Peppers put out a double album where you are hard pressed to find a song where they don't let Fusciante shine. Pearl Jam fans seem to worship Mike, and I think he's great, but why doesn't he get his props?

Just to back up my point a bit, look at the first singles off the last couple albums. I Am Mine & WWS barely have anything you can call a "solo" and what is there is all too brief. I'm aware we've gotten tracks like 'All or None' and 'Life Wasted' off the last two as well, but with Ed playing increasingly more guitar as the band has evolved, I would think Mike would get leads in greater quantity. I'm not saying all the tracks have to have Alive or Immortality solos on them, but it just seems like McCready gets gipped.

Sorry to kind of hijack your thread with my McCready rant, but I think this has a direct relation to the length of some of the songs. Particularily the news ones.

UncleNeil

perhaps you should look into the Ramones

mole1985

Can't says i've ever noticed or that i ever will.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

nah. i dont like too many long songs. a whole album of long songs would be a little tedious.

Come Back in Black

12345AGNST1 wrote:

im sure some of you, or all of you are sick of hearing "tour everywhere possible PJ!!!" and all these other small complaints, but im sure some may agree on this one:

PJ writes tooo many 3 minute songs. anytime i listen to a boot, soo many of there songs are 3 minutes. they play 30+ songs per concert, but alot of those songs are not long at all. i think for PJ's next album they should write some 5-7 minute songs, experiment a little.

anyone feel the same?

True.. they also play everything so fast though in concert. They like to have the 30+ song count per show i think. That is their thing... they wouldn't have time to do that if they slowed down and or played longer songs. I would love some on a new record though. Inside Hand Job is long... but i dont love it. I know I'm in the minoity hear but its no Layla. If its going to be long it better be awesome.

12345AGNST1

BUSH-lager wrote:

I have to say that I have noticed this as well, and sort of agree. My main issue is with the lack of use of McCready. I really don't know why he seems to get the shaft on a lot of songs.

This was particularily noticeable with the RHCP album coming out at the same time as PJ's latest. The Peppers put out a double album where you are hard pressed to find a song where they don't let Fusciante shine. Pearl Jam fans seem to worship Mike, and I think he's great, but why doesn't he get his props?

Just to back up my point a bit, look at the first singles off the last couple albums. I Am Mine & WWS barely have anything you can call a "solo" and what is there is all too brief. I'm aware we've gotten tracks like 'All or None' and 'Life Wasted' off the last two as well, but with Ed playing increasingly more guitar as the band has evolved, I would think Mike would get leads in greater quantity. I'm not saying all the tracks have to have Alive or Immortality solos on them, but it just seems like McCready gets gipped.

Sorry to kind of hijack your thread with my McCready rant, but I think this has a direct relation to the length of some of the songs. Particularily the news ones.

nah your kinda right about that. there hasnt been a PJ song where mike really shines for awhile, or since vitalogy. i mean i LOVE his solo in severed hand and life wasted. and his song writing is great, but there hasnt been a song where mike has jammed out for awhile. the only songs he solos out on is the old ones, or covers. they need to write a song that allows a great extended solo, or great outro. big wave has potential for a sick outro but they wont do it, they just end the song at even less then 3 minutes, id like the outro to extend to at about 3:30.

djonesr

I feel this way sometimes. In a way, I kind of had to "get used to it". But now, I actually enjoy a lot of short songs.

I wouldn't want them to play any less short songs, but I would like to see them play more long songs, or extend some short songs once in a while, definitely.

Coming from a jam-band / progressive rock background, I don't think PJ concerts are particularly long either.

I'd like to see them take on a more 2-set show than 1 set + 2 long encores. Maybe they'll do that at Bonnarroo!

muppet

Some of the songs they play too fast live, at least recentelly. Given To Fly and Corduroy just sound a bit rushed.

But other than that, I think 3 minute songs are fine. Don't make a long song just so it can be long - it's gotta be justifiably long, if that makes any sense! Although if they're going to be creating 7 minute epics like Inside Job, then I'm not complaining.

BinFrog

mrwalkerb wrote:

I've never thought "I really dig this song but wish it were longer"

I've said those words about "MFC".

LONGRD

12345AGNST1 wrote:

im sure some of you, or all of you are sick of hearing "tour everywhere possible PJ!!!" and all these other small complaints, but im sure some may agree on this one:

PJ writes tooo many 3 minute songs. anytime i listen to a boot, soo many of there songs are 3 minutes. they play 30+ songs per concert, but alot of those songs are not long at all. i think for PJ's next album they should write some 5-7 minute songs, experiment a little.

anyone feel the same?

I agree and I feel your pain.
Eddie's punk influenced ruined everything.
I know people here already knew about my hate for punk.
But they did end the self-titled CD with a 7-minute epic song.
still hopes for more that in the future.

LukinFan

12345AGNST1 wrote:

im sure some of you, or all of you are sick of hearing "tour everywhere possible PJ!!!" and all these other small complaints, but im sure some may agree on this one:

PJ writes tooo many 3 minute songs. anytime i listen to a boot, soo many of there songs are 3 minutes. they play 30+ songs per concert, but alot of those songs are not long at all. i think for PJ's next album they should write some 5-7 minute songs, experiment a little.

anyone feel the same?

Lukin is my favorite song and it's just over a minute, so............maybe they should write shorter songs

Foxy Mop

BUSH-lager wrote:

I have to say that I have noticed this as well, and sort of agree. My main issue is with the lack of use of McCready. I really don't know why he seems to get the shaft on a lot of songs.

This was particularily noticeable with the RHCP album coming out at the same time as PJ's latest. The Peppers put out a double album where you are hard pressed to find a song where they don't let Fusciante shine. Pearl Jam fans seem to worship Mike, and I think he's great, but why doesn't he get his props?

Just to back up my point a bit, look at the first singles off the last couple albums. I Am Mine & WWS barely have anything you can call a "solo" and what is there is all too brief. I'm aware we've gotten tracks like 'All or None' and 'Life Wasted' off the last two as well, but with Ed playing increasingly more guitar as the band has evolved, I would think Mike would get leads in greater quantity. I'm not saying all the tracks have to have Alive or Immortality solos on them, but it just seems like McCready gets gipped.

Sorry to kind of hijack your thread with my McCready rant, but I think this has a direct relation to the length of some of the songs. Particularily the news ones.

Not to divert the thread again, but I feel the same way, but about Jeff. I think he is highly underutilized.. look at RHCP and other great bands who have more rockin out-there bass lines... forget "let Stone sing"... I say "give us more Jeff!"

halszka123

BUSH-lager wrote:

I have to say that I have noticed this as well, and sort of agree. My main issue is with the lack of use of McCready. I really don't know why he seems to get the shaft on a lot of songs.

This was particularily noticeable with the RHCP album coming out at the same time as PJ's latest. The Peppers put out a double album where you are hard pressed to find a song where they don't let Fusciante shine. Pearl Jam fans seem to worship Mike, and I think he's great, but why doesn't he get his props?

Just to back up my point a bit, look at the first singles off the last couple albums. I Am Mine & WWS barely have anything you can call a "solo" and what is there is all too brief. I'm aware we've gotten tracks like 'All or None' and 'Life Wasted' off the last two as well, but with Ed playing increasingly more guitar as the band has evolved, I would think Mike would get leads in greater quantity. I'm not saying all the tracks have to have Alive or Immortality solos on them, but it just seems like McCready gets gipped.

Sorry to kind of hijack your thread with my McCready rant, but I think this has a direct relation to the length of some of the songs. Particularily the news ones.

I agree:)
I miss Mike with His solo, I wish He will play in some PJ songs like in "Reach Down". It was so amazing!!!!
And... recently i was thinking why so rarely I can hear bass. Maybe someday Jeff will take a chance to show us the real power of bass?
BTW. I heard that in music business is a standard to play 3 minutes songs. This is the best time for song - people are not bored os sth. Well, i guess there is some thuth in it...

redsdisease

I don't know. I probably would not be into Pearl Jam anymore if it wasn't for their punk influences. I would rather hear a solid song that is under three minutes than a seven minute snooze fest. Certain songs of their's really work well at six-seven minutes, but I think that there is just enough of those. At a certain point, long wandering songs just become masturbatory.

stuckinline

Foxy Mop wrote:

Not to divert the thread again, but I feel the same way, but about Jeff. I think he is highly underutilized.. look at RHCP and other great bands who have more rockin out-there bass lines... forget "let Stone sing"... I say "give us more Jeff!"

foxy mop, i agree with you. just for ONCE let jeff shine! i would love to hear him just go nuts.

to the op, i like longer songs. and they play the songs TOO DAMN FAST!

abhi101cru

BUSH-lager wrote:

I have to say that I have noticed this as well, and sort of agree. My main issue is with the lack of use of McCready. I really don't know why he seems to get the shaft on a lot of songs.

This was particularily noticeable with the RHCP album coming out at the same time as PJ's latest. The Peppers put out a double album where you are hard pressed to find a song where they don't let Fusciante shine. Pearl Jam fans seem to worship Mike, and I think he's great, but why doesn't he get his props?

Just to back up my point a bit, look at the first singles off the last couple albums. I Am Mine & WWS barely have anything you can call a "solo" and what is there is all too brief. I'm aware we've gotten tracks like 'All or None' and 'Life Wasted' off the last two as well, but with Ed playing increasingly more guitar as the band has evolved, I would think Mike would get leads in greater quantity. I'm not saying all the tracks have to have Alive or Immortality solos on them, but it just seems like McCready gets gipped.

Sorry to kind of hijack your thread with my McCready rant, but I think this has a direct relation to the length of some of the songs. Particularily the news ones.

couldn't agree with you more. I worship McCready and would love to see him soloing on songs like he used to back in the day.

boxwine_in_hell

12345AGNST1 wrote:

im sure some of you, or all of you are sick of hearing "tour everywhere possible PJ!!!" and all these other small complaints, but im sure some may agree on this one:

PJ writes tooo many 3 minute songs. anytime i listen to a boot, soo many of there songs are 3 minutes. they play 30+ songs per concert, but alot of those songs are not long at all. i think for PJ's next album they should write some 5-7 minute songs, experiment a little.

anyone feel the same?

Wow, you must have run out of stuff to bitch about. I never really gave much thought to the length of their songs. I will say, that's one of the things I can't stand about jam bands, their songs are too fucking long, it's musical masturbation. I went to a Lenny Kravitz show a few weeks ago and he did like a 15-20 minute version of "Let Love Rule" and after about 10 minutes I was like..."I get it we've got to let love rule, now let's move it along."

NothinGBetteRPJMaN

Yea i really wish they had longer epic songs....even just like 6-7 minutes

Zeppelin style

stateoflove79

12345AGNST1 wrote:

im sure some of you, or all of you are sick of hearing "tour everywhere possible PJ!!!" and all these other small complaints, but im sure some may agree on this one:

PJ writes tooo many 3 minute songs. anytime i listen to a boot, soo many of there songs are 3 minutes. they play 30+ songs per concert, but alot of those songs are not long at all. i think for PJ's next album they should write some 5-7 minute songs, experiment a little.

anyone feel the same?

Not bashing at all, but it's ironic that your screenname is from a song that's less than 3 minutes long...

Anyways, I love their music just the way it is.