KEITH OLBERMAN....FIRED BY AL GORE.

igotid88

The Jeagler wrote:

another thing that i find laughable about olbermann's show is how he never has a guest on who disagrees with him. this is an article that, ironically, came out yesterday comparing countdown to o'reilly's show. bear in mind the daily news is a pretty liberal paper in philly. but it's a fair article and illustrates what i'm talking about:

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/columni ... ?viewAll=y

Stu Bykofsky: Olbermann fair? O'Reilly balanced? What we found
By Stu Bykofsky
Philadelphia Daily News

Daily News Columnist

BEFORE THE Democrats got battered in Tuesday's election, I decided to check out one of their favorite pincushions - the Fox News Channel's "fair and balanced" motto.
"Fair" can be subjective. "Balanced," less so. Airing contrary points of view is one element of being fair.

Last week, Monday through Friday, I recorded the flagship shows that lead Fox's and MSNBC's prime-time lineups: "The O'Reilly Factor" on right-leaning Fox, and "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" on left-leaning MSNBC. Rush Limbaugh calls it PMSNBC, while Olbermann refers to his competition as "Fix News" or "Faux News." These star-driven vehicles represent their networks.

To some extent, each outlet is a partisan noise machine with a narrow view of the landscape. The other cable news outlets are either not nakedly partisan or too small to be considered.

It is total war between MSNBC and Fox.

A week after MSNBC launched promotional commercials for itself, ending in the slogan, "Lean forward," Fox responded with a promo saying it, and America, "Moves forward."





The methodology: I scored each guest politically as either "left" or "right." Those defying classification were "neutral."

The results prove you hear more conflicting opinions on "The O'Reilly Factor" than on "Countdown," which seems allergic to any conservative idea.


MONDAY, OCT. 25
First up from the left, in the wake of O'Reilly's questionable comment about "Muslims" attacking the U.S., is Ahmed Rehab, the Chicago executive director of the Council of American-Islamic Relations. He and Bill have a vigorous argument. Also on the left: Alicia Menendez, senior adviser of the NDN liberal think tank and liberal Juan Williams. (He and Bill are having a bromance.)

Three from the right: Former network correspondent Bernie Goldberg, "Weekly Standard" writer Mary Katherine Ham and Fox News analyst Brit Hume, whose presentation is even-handed, but he usually leans right.

The speed-talking Olbermann's first guest is Ezra Klein, Washington Post reporter and Newsweek columnist; then E.J. Dionne, Washington Post columnist; then Eugene Robinson, another WP columnist. All left. (Maybe Olbermann should broadcast from the Post newsroom?)

The other two guests are Jeremy Scahill of The Nation (called the "flagship of the left") and Michael Shermer, publisher of Skeptic magazine. He calls himself a Libertarian, but his attack on Karl Rove marks him left tonight. Five of five, left.


TUESDAY, OCT. 26
Olbermann opens with Gabe Gonzalez, of the Campaign for Community Change, followed by Chris Hayes, Washington Editor of The Nation, followed by Lauren Valle of Moveon.org, who was roughed up by Rand Paul's henchmen in Kentucky, and closing with Michael Wolffe, political analyst of the "Daily Beast" website. All left. Olbermann repeatedly describes Valle as getting kicked "in the head" when the video clearly shows the blow was on the shoulder area.

Then - an inexplicable Stradivarius violin concert by virtuoso Anne Akiko Meyers, whose politics aren't discussed. Four of out five, left. One neutral.

O'Reilly opens with weekly arguing heads Monica Crowley, right, and Alan Colmes, left. For a change, O'Reilly agrees with Colmes on something.

Conservative Stephen Hayes of Weekly Standard is up next, followed by Heidi Harris, a conservative Las Vegas radio-talk host, and then John Stossel, a Libertarian. Since he's arguing for legalizing pot tonight, I count him left.

Following are quarreling lawyers Lis Wiehl, a lefty, and righty Kimberly Guilfoyle. Batting last is righthanded columnist Charles Krauthammer.

Score: Five right, three left.


WEDNESDAY, OCT. 27
Only two "Countdown" guests tonight as Olbermann gloms the last 20 minutes for a "Special Comment" tirade against the tea party. It wants to create, he hisses with his veins bulging and eyes popping, a "theocracy for white males." (Remember that.)

Guests are Nick Nyhart, of the Public Campaign Action Fund, and Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis. Two left.

O'Reilly opens with conservative Dick Morris peddling his election predictions and website. In a segment about whether President Obama maybe used race to push some candidates, O'Reilly has Alfonso Aguilar of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, right, and lightly right Dr. Christopher Metzler, of Georgetown University.

In a political segment, neutral pollster Larry J. Sabato (who miffs Mr. Bill by saying "You take me out of context") appears with Roll Call political writer Erin Billings, neutral.

Next is Occidental University professor Caroline Heldman, who says NPR isn't as far left as she is, then acerbic comedian Dennis Miller from the right.

Finally, there is Fox News staffer Juliet Huddy, whose comments are neutral. Score: Four right, one left, three neutral.


THURSDAY, OCT. 28
O'Reilly opens with conservative radio yakker Laura Ingraham, then Joe Trippi, who ran Howard Dean's campaign, in the next segment. The "culture warriors" - blondes Margaret Hoover and Gretchen Carlson - follow, both right.

Boston Herald reporter Jessica Van Sack talks about a health-care scandal, but is neutral. Next is lawyer and Fox anchor Megyn Kelly, who often clashes with O'Reilly, but I'll count her as right.

"Great American News Quiz" kids Steve Doocey and Martha MacCallum are neutral in the weekly segment that seems like an excuse to show off a lanky, luscious blond (and McCallum isn't bad either). That's four from the right, one from the left, three neutral.

Over at "Countdown," Olbermann offers up The Nation's Washington Editor Chris Hayes, the Huffington Post's Howard Fineman, Democratic U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva and Jess McIntosh from Emily's List. That's as left as the Phillies' lineup. The Joker is Republican Charlie Crist, current governor of Florida who pulled a "Specter" and was running as an "independent" for U.S. Senate. I'll score him neutral. So it's four from the left, one neutral.


FRIDAY, OCT. 29
It's a clean sweep for "Countdown." Five guests, all left.

The show starts with Democratic U.S. Rep. Kendrick Meek, who explains, in nice language, why Charlie Crist is a liar.

Next up is Mother Jones magazine's Washington bureau chief David Corn, followed by the Huffington Post's grand dame, Arianna Huffington, with the cute "occent." Faiz Shakir of ThinkProgress.com follows Arianna. Batting fifth is Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis again.

O'Reilly has more variety in his "No-Spin Zone."

Independent pollster Scott Rasmussen delivers a neutral roundup of various races before Republican Karl Rove talks about that day's UPS bomb threat. Right.

In a segment on gender and politics, conservative columnist Andrea Tantaros faces liberal talk-show host Leslie Marshall. From the left, Geraldo Rivera comes in for a chat, followed by Glenn Beck from the right.

Final guests are conservative Fox host Greg Gutfeld and Fox News anchor Arthel Neville, lightly left, who examine odd things in the news.

Score four from the right, three from the left, one neutral.





Before the totals, my opinion: Olbermann's usual mien is mean - scowling. O'Reilly's typically laughing, too often at one of his juvenile jokes. Both are narcissists who take themselves too seriously, but that's true for many on television.

O'Reilly uses a really clever device. After stating his case, he often asks guests, "Tell me where I'm wrong."

Olbermann can't do this: Every guest agrees with, and amplifies, the host's opinion.

During the week, O'Reilly's ratings were about triple those of Olbermann. Is it just Fox's superior lighting, colors and graphics, or might it be content?

Here are the totals for the week:

"The O'Reilly Factor" welcomed 20 guests from the right, 11 from the left and seven who were neutral. Left and neutral voices combined almost equaled those from the right.

"Countdown with Keith Olbermann" had 20 guests from the left, two neutral and not a single voice from the right. Zero voices of dissent.

So, if you never want to hear anyone challenge liberal views, lock in on Olbermann. While progressives disdain Fox's claim of being "fair and balanced," "The O'Reilly Factor" does present opposing views. O'Reilly will cut them off in midsentence, true, but he even does that to people who agree with him. (Shock therapy might help.) Olbermann seems unable to even listen to anything other than progressive orthodoxy.

If the tea party wants a "theocracy for white males," as he said, Olbermann could be an imam. He offered a paltry four women among his 22 talking heads, 18 percent. (Wasn't Joy Behar available?) Only two African Americans got face time.

O'Reilly had three African Americans and scattered 18 women among his 38 guests, for 47 percent. (Don't expect NOW to give him an award.) O'Reilly had three Hispanic-surnamed guests; Olbermann had two.

When it comes to their sources of news, too many Americans live in "silos," protected from contrary views. We'd do better, learn a bit more, by listening to some opposing ideas.

You get that from Fox's O'Reilly, not MSNBC's Olbermann.



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he's always said his show is not about confrontation.

igotid88

msnbc's primetime ratings are not in the tank. they're 2nd behind fixed news. which really has no similar network to compete with.

The Juggler

igotid88 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

another thing that i find laughable about olbermann's show is how he never has a guest on who disagrees with him. this is an article that, ironically, came out yesterday comparing countdown to o'reilly's show. bear in mind the daily news is a pretty liberal paper in philly. but it's a fair article and illustrates what i'm talking about:

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/columni ... ?viewAll=y

Stu Bykofsky: Olbermann fair? O'Reilly balanced? What we found
By Stu Bykofsky
Philadelphia Daily News

Daily News Columnist

BEFORE THE Democrats got battered in Tuesday's election, I decided to check out one of their favorite pincushions - the Fox News Channel's "fair and balanced" motto.
"Fair" can be subjective. "Balanced," less so. Airing contrary points of view is one element of being fair.

Last week, Monday through Friday, I recorded the flagship shows that lead Fox's and MSNBC's prime-time lineups: "The O'Reilly Factor" on right-leaning Fox, and "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" on left-leaning MSNBC. Rush Limbaugh calls it PMSNBC, while Olbermann refers to his competition as "Fix News" or "Faux News." These star-driven vehicles represent their networks.

To some extent, each outlet is a partisan noise machine with a narrow view of the landscape. The other cable news outlets are either not nakedly partisan or too small to be considered.

It is total war between MSNBC and Fox.

A week after MSNBC launched promotional commercials for itself, ending in the slogan, "Lean forward," Fox responded with a promo saying it, and America, "Moves forward."





The methodology: I scored each guest politically as either "left" or "right." Those defying classification were "neutral."

The results prove you hear more conflicting opinions on "The O'Reilly Factor" than on "Countdown," which seems allergic to any conservative idea.


MONDAY, OCT. 25
First up from the left, in the wake of O'Reilly's questionable comment about "Muslims" attacking the U.S., is Ahmed Rehab, the Chicago executive director of the Council of American-Islamic Relations. He and Bill have a vigorous argument. Also on the left: Alicia Menendez, senior adviser of the NDN liberal think tank and liberal Juan Williams. (He and Bill are having a bromance.)

Three from the right: Former network correspondent Bernie Goldberg, "Weekly Standard" writer Mary Katherine Ham and Fox News analyst Brit Hume, whose presentation is even-handed, but he usually leans right.

The speed-talking Olbermann's first guest is Ezra Klein, Washington Post reporter and Newsweek columnist; then E.J. Dionne, Washington Post columnist; then Eugene Robinson, another WP columnist. All left. (Maybe Olbermann should broadcast from the Post newsroom?)

The other two guests are Jeremy Scahill of The Nation (called the "flagship of the left") and Michael Shermer, publisher of Skeptic magazine. He calls himself a Libertarian, but his attack on Karl Rove marks him left tonight. Five of five, left.


TUESDAY, OCT. 26
Olbermann opens with Gabe Gonzalez, of the Campaign for Community Change, followed by Chris Hayes, Washington Editor of The Nation, followed by Lauren Valle of Moveon.org, who was roughed up by Rand Paul's henchmen in Kentucky, and closing with Michael Wolffe, political analyst of the "Daily Beast" website. All left. Olbermann repeatedly describes Valle as getting kicked "in the head" when the video clearly shows the blow was on the shoulder area.

Then - an inexplicable Stradivarius violin concert by virtuoso Anne Akiko Meyers, whose politics aren't discussed. Four of out five, left. One neutral.

O'Reilly opens with weekly arguing heads Monica Crowley, right, and Alan Colmes, left. For a change, O'Reilly agrees with Colmes on something.

Conservative Stephen Hayes of Weekly Standard is up next, followed by Heidi Harris, a conservative Las Vegas radio-talk host, and then John Stossel, a Libertarian. Since he's arguing for legalizing pot tonight, I count him left.

Following are quarreling lawyers Lis Wiehl, a lefty, and righty Kimberly Guilfoyle. Batting last is righthanded columnist Charles Krauthammer.

Score: Five right, three left.


WEDNESDAY, OCT. 27
Only two "Countdown" guests tonight as Olbermann gloms the last 20 minutes for a "Special Comment" tirade against the tea party. It wants to create, he hisses with his veins bulging and eyes popping, a "theocracy for white males." (Remember that.)

Guests are Nick Nyhart, of the Public Campaign Action Fund, and Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis. Two left.

O'Reilly opens with conservative Dick Morris peddling his election predictions and website. In a segment about whether President Obama maybe used race to push some candidates, O'Reilly has Alfonso Aguilar of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, right, and lightly right Dr. Christopher Metzler, of Georgetown University.

In a political segment, neutral pollster Larry J. Sabato (who miffs Mr. Bill by saying "You take me out of context") appears with Roll Call political writer Erin Billings, neutral.

Next is Occidental University professor Caroline Heldman, who says NPR isn't as far left as she is, then acerbic comedian Dennis Miller from the right.

Finally, there is Fox News staffer Juliet Huddy, whose comments are neutral. Score: Four right, one left, three neutral.


THURSDAY, OCT. 28
O'Reilly opens with conservative radio yakker Laura Ingraham, then Joe Trippi, who ran Howard Dean's campaign, in the next segment. The "culture warriors" - blondes Margaret Hoover and Gretchen Carlson - follow, both right.

Boston Herald reporter Jessica Van Sack talks about a health-care scandal, but is neutral. Next is lawyer and Fox anchor Megyn Kelly, who often clashes with O'Reilly, but I'll count her as right.

"Great American News Quiz" kids Steve Doocey and Martha MacCallum are neutral in the weekly segment that seems like an excuse to show off a lanky, luscious blond (and McCallum isn't bad either). That's four from the right, one from the left, three neutral.

Over at "Countdown," Olbermann offers up The Nation's Washington Editor Chris Hayes, the Huffington Post's Howard Fineman, Democratic U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva and Jess McIntosh from Emily's List. That's as left as the Phillies' lineup. The Joker is Republican Charlie Crist, current governor of Florida who pulled a "Specter" and was running as an "independent" for U.S. Senate. I'll score him neutral. So it's four from the left, one neutral.


FRIDAY, OCT. 29
It's a clean sweep for "Countdown." Five guests, all left.

The show starts with Democratic U.S. Rep. Kendrick Meek, who explains, in nice language, why Charlie Crist is a liar.

Next up is Mother Jones magazine's Washington bureau chief David Corn, followed by the Huffington Post's grand dame, Arianna Huffington, with the cute "occent." Faiz Shakir of ThinkProgress.com follows Arianna. Batting fifth is Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis again.

O'Reilly has more variety in his "No-Spin Zone."

Independent pollster Scott Rasmussen delivers a neutral roundup of various races before Republican Karl Rove talks about that day's UPS bomb threat. Right.

In a segment on gender and politics, conservative columnist Andrea Tantaros faces liberal talk-show host Leslie Marshall. From the left, Geraldo Rivera comes in for a chat, followed by Glenn Beck from the right.

Final guests are conservative Fox host Greg Gutfeld and Fox News anchor Arthel Neville, lightly left, who examine odd things in the news.

Score four from the right, three from the left, one neutral.





Before the totals, my opinion: Olbermann's usual mien is mean - scowling. O'Reilly's typically laughing, too often at one of his juvenile jokes. Both are narcissists who take themselves too seriously, but that's true for many on television.

O'Reilly uses a really clever device. After stating his case, he often asks guests, "Tell me where I'm wrong."

Olbermann can't do this: Every guest agrees with, and amplifies, the host's opinion.

During the week, O'Reilly's ratings were about triple those of Olbermann. Is it just Fox's superior lighting, colors and graphics, or might it be content?

Here are the totals for the week:

"The O'Reilly Factor" welcomed 20 guests from the right, 11 from the left and seven who were neutral. Left and neutral voices combined almost equaled those from the right.

"Countdown with Keith Olbermann" had 20 guests from the left, two neutral and not a single voice from the right. Zero voices of dissent.

So, if you never want to hear anyone challenge liberal views, lock in on Olbermann. While progressives disdain Fox's claim of being "fair and balanced," "The O'Reilly Factor" does present opposing views. O'Reilly will cut them off in midsentence, true, but he even does that to people who agree with him. (Shock therapy might help.) Olbermann seems unable to even listen to anything other than progressive orthodoxy.

If the tea party wants a "theocracy for white males," as he said, Olbermann could be an imam. He offered a paltry four women among his 22 talking heads, 18 percent. (Wasn't Joy Behar available?) Only two African Americans got face time.

O'Reilly had three African Americans and scattered 18 women among his 38 guests, for 47 percent. (Don't expect NOW to give him an award.) O'Reilly had three Hispanic-surnamed guests; Olbermann had two.

When it comes to their sources of news, too many Americans live in "silos," protected from contrary views. We'd do better, learn a bit more, by listening to some opposing ideas.

You get that from Fox's O'Reilly, not MSNBC's Olbermann.



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he's always said his show is not about confrontation.

how is discussing a topic with someone who has an opposing viewpoint a confrontation? why not present both side of an issue? seems logical to me. unless, he's afraid of something...

The Juggler

igotid88 wrote:

msnbc's primetime ratings are not in the tank. they're 2nd behind fixed news. which really has no similar network to compete with.

election night:
fox 7m
cnn 2.4m
msnbc 1.9m

there are rumblings that when comcast takes over they will shake things up...not solely due to ratings but just from a journalistic standpoint.

igotid88

The Jeagler wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

msnbc's primetime ratings are not in the tank. they're 2nd behind fixed news. which really has no similar network to compete with.

election night:
fox 7m
cnn 2.4m
msnbc 1.9m

there are rumblings that when comcast takes over they will shake things up...not solely due to ratings but just from a journalistic standpoint.

on disaster nights or election nights. cnn always gets a big bounce. i'm talking about regularly.

igotid88

The Jeagler wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

msnbc's primetime ratings are not in the tank. they're 2nd behind fixed news. which really has no similar network to compete with.

election night:
fox 7m
cnn 2.4m
msnbc 1.9m

there are rumblings that when comcast takes over they will shake things up...not solely due to ratings but just from a journalistic standpoint.

if it wasn't for keith. msnbc's ratings will still be in the 100k's.

igotid88

http://senatus.wordpress.com/2010/11/05 ... olbermann/

The Juggler

igotid88 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

msnbc's primetime ratings are not in the tank. they're 2nd behind fixed news. which really has no similar network to compete with.

election night:
fox 7m
cnn 2.4m
msnbc 1.9m

there are rumblings that when comcast takes over they will shake things up...not solely due to ratings but just from a journalistic standpoint.

on disaster nights or election nights. cnn always gets a big bounce. i'm talking about regularly.

cnn's ratings are as low as they ever been. they have a weak and stale line up. i would think the reason they get a bounce during important news stories is because the general public who may not normally watch cable news on a nightly basis is looking for programming that at least tries not to be overtly biased.

do you think it is ethically responsible for a news channel to have the likes of keith olbermann, rachel maddow, and chris mathews anchor their election night coverage?

The Juggler

igotid88 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

msnbc's primetime ratings are not in the tank. they're 2nd behind fixed news. which really has no similar network to compete with.

election night:
fox 7m
cnn 2.4m
msnbc 1.9m

there are rumblings that when comcast takes over they will shake things up...not solely due to ratings but just from a journalistic standpoint.

if it wasn't for keith. msnbc's ratings will still be in the 100k's.

i think the only people who watch him are liberals who only want to hear their own point of view and independents/right leaning folks looking for a laugh.

igotid88

i think the only people who watch him are liberals who only want to hear their own point of view and independents/right leaning folks looking for a laugh.

the same can be said for fox.

gabers

He should be suspended, or even fired, if he broke the rules of his network. I like the guy, but he screwed up.

That said, I think CNN has fallen so far back because Fox started the model of blatantly biased "news", and then MSNBC followed suit on the left. That kind of left CNN hanging in the breeze for those who actually want mostly unbiased news reporting. (Like me!) I lean to the left and I do watch MSNBC from time to time, but if I want mainstream news that is as close to being unbiased as possible I turn to CNN or NPR. Mostly NPR since I get most of my news in my car. Or from any one of my highly conservative co-workers who believe, among other things, that Obama is secretly a Muslim and that we was probably somehow behind the recent Gulf oil spill disaster. :? Both of which are preached by the goobs over at Fox News...

tybird

igotid88 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

msnbc's primetime ratings are not in the tank. they're 2nd behind fixed news. which really has no similar network to compete with.

election night:
fox 7m
cnn 2.4m
msnbc 1.9m

there are rumblings that when comcast takes over they will shake things up...not solely due to ratings but just from a journalistic standpoint.

on disaster nights or election nights. cnn always gets a big bounce. i'm talking about regularly.

Election nights are where the network has to make hay....pull in the numbers...to set up higher ad rates...and sell ads at a higher rate just like the NFL with the Superbowl. The news business is just that...a business, but we expect honesty, transparency and the use of the low bias filter to be served up to us as the news. I prefer CNN, but honestly, that prime-time line sucks serious ass....HLN is absolute shit in prime-time too....what exactly the point of Nancy Grace and Jane Velez???

tybird

gabers wrote:

He should be suspended, or even fired, if he broke the rules of his network. I like the guy, but he screwed up.

That said, I think CNN has fallen so far back because Fox started the model of blatantly biased "news", and then MSNBC followed suit on the left. That kind of left CNN hanging in the breeze for those who actually want mostly unbiased news reporting. (Like me!) I lean to the left and I do watch MSNBC from time to time, but if I want mainstream news that is as close to being unbiased as possible I turn to CNN or NPR. Mostly NPR since I get most of my news in my car. Or from any one of my highly conservative co-workers who believe, among other things, that Obama is secretly a Muslim and that we was probably somehow behind the recent Gulf oil spill disaster. :? Both of which are preached by the goobs over at Fox News...

Whose the "we" behind the Gulf Oil Spill???? According to your co-worker and Fox News??? Just interested....

The Juggler

igotid88 wrote:

i think the only people who watch him are liberals who only want to hear their own point of view and independents/right leaning folks looking for a laugh.

the same can be said for fox.

well that might be debatable solely on the sheer number of viewers they have. but i find it interesting how you did not comment on the more important issue of biased commentators anchoring msnbc's election night coverage...and every other important news coverage.

Commy

there's a place for outspoken biased opinions, news networks aren't one of them. -HP




yes i'm talking about fox, too.

igotid88

The Jeagler wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

i think the only people who watch him are liberals who only want to hear their own point of view and independents/right leaning folks looking for a laugh.

the same can be said for fox.

well that might be debatable solely on the sheer number of viewers they have. but i find it interesting how you did not comment on the more important issue of biased commentators anchoring msnbc's election night coverage...and every other important news coverage.

fox news are biased also. i watched msnbc's coverage and they were fair. i didn't see a problem with it.

The Juggler

igotid88 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

well that might be debatable solely on the sheer number of viewers they have. but i find it interesting how you did not comment on the more important issue of biased commentators anchoring msnbc's election night coverage...and every other important news coverage.

fox news are biased also. i watched msnbc's coverage and they were fair. i didn't see a problem with it.

this isn't a fox verses msnbc thing. i don't particularly care for either channel. only thing i watch on fox is oreilly from time to time because he is not afraid to have guests from both the left and the right share their viewpoints. my point is they don't have him hosting actual news coverage like msnbc does with olberman and the other leftists.

but i am happy to see admit msnbc is biased though. childish too, after tuesday.

gabers

tybird wrote:

gabers wrote:

He should be suspended, or even fired, if he broke the rules of his network. I like the guy, but he screwed up.

That said, I think CNN has fallen so far back because Fox started the model of blatantly biased "news", and then MSNBC followed suit on the left. That kind of left CNN hanging in the breeze for those who actually want mostly unbiased news reporting. (Like me!) I lean to the left and I do watch MSNBC from time to time, but if I want mainstream news that is as close to being unbiased as possible I turn to CNN or NPR. Mostly NPR since I get most of my news in my car. Or from any one of my highly conservative co-workers who believe, among other things, that Obama is secretly a Muslim and that we was probably somehow behind the recent Gulf oil spill disaster. :? Both of which are preached by the goobs over at Fox News...

Whose the "we" behind the Gulf Oil Spill???? According to your co-worker and Fox News??? Just interested....

Typo - I meant He, as in the great black socialist nazi muslim omnipotent president currently residing in the White House but with God's infinite grace will be replaced in two years by Sarah "mama grizzly" Palin.

igotid88

but i am happy to see admit msnbc is biased though. childish too, after tuesday.

but fox doesn't admit to it. and their guys supported republican candidates. and told people to donate to their campaigns.

The Juggler

igotid88 wrote:

but i am happy to see admit msnbc is biased though. childish too, after tuesday.

but fox doesn't admit to it. and their guys supported republican candidates. and told people to donate to their campaigns.

dude. i do not like fox either. you sound like a little kid telling on his brother or something. either way the fox guys who did that were their commentators (with the exception of neil cavuto) not the one's anchoring what is supposed to be an unbiased news program like election night.