Death comes to the Heartland of America
puremagic
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Why the hell would the State of Kansas or any other State agree to have the Plum Island Animal Disease Center relocated on the mainland of the U.S? A research lab that houses and researches the most deadly animal and food diseases known to mankind, and, also served as a biological weapons research facility.
Under the Department of Homeland Security the new lab called the National Bio- and Agro-Defense Facility also has expanded the research requirements of this facility to include humans, which puts it on a compatible level to the CDC and Ft. Derrick.
There’s a law that states live foot and mouth disease research CAN NOT be conducted on the mainland of the U.S. The Department of Homeland Security circumvented that law by placing it within the 2008 Farm Bill. The Farm Bill not only allows live foot and mouth disease research to be conducted on the mainland of the U.S. It also allows DHS to authorize the USDA to send samples of live FMD and other diseases to institutions of interests within the continental US for research some of which do not have a BSL-3 or higher containment areas to prevent public exposure to domestic animals, humans or ground water. Bet they forgot to tell those back peddling National Grangers that little piece of information.
Politics aside, one tornado, one flood, one accident, one terrorist (homegrown or foreign) act, and America’s food and water supply could be contaminated for years. One strong jet stream could make it catastrophic.
Under the Department of Homeland Security the new lab called the National Bio- and Agro-Defense Facility also has expanded the research requirements of this facility to include humans, which puts it on a compatible level to the CDC and Ft. Derrick.
There’s a law that states live foot and mouth disease research CAN NOT be conducted on the mainland of the U.S. The Department of Homeland Security circumvented that law by placing it within the 2008 Farm Bill. The Farm Bill not only allows live foot and mouth disease research to be conducted on the mainland of the U.S. It also allows DHS to authorize the USDA to send samples of live FMD and other diseases to institutions of interests within the continental US for research some of which do not have a BSL-3 or higher containment areas to prevent public exposure to domestic animals, humans or ground water. Bet they forgot to tell those back peddling National Grangers that little piece of information.
Politics aside, one tornado, one flood, one accident, one terrorist (homegrown or foreign) act, and America’s food and water supply could be contaminated for years. One strong jet stream could make it catastrophic.
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As long as the 12 Monkeys don't interfere with this lab, I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it.
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Ventura’s an egotistical mouth piece that has nothing new to contribution to any subject he takes on, so please, don’t use him as a means to be dismissive of a matter of importance.
--Katrina destroyed three BSL-3 labs conducting bio research
-- Ft. Detrick has compressors issues that have put the public at risk
--This occurred in 2008, Tornadoes Rips Through Manhattan, KSU Damage
Totals More Than $20 Million POSTED: 10:28 am CDT June 12, 2008
You have no idea how common, unintentional incidents occur in a lab environment and now they get to play with the big boys. It’s the BSL-4 and BSL-5 that handle the really nasty stuff.
The fact that DHS will allow FMD and other live pathogen research to not only be researched in proximity and conjunction with human pathogen research, it will shared these pathogens and research outside the facility with universities, vaccine makers and private mega-agro companies like Monsanto and Cargill in less than a BSL-4 environment. This raises the risk level of contamination via natural or human consequences from if to how soon. There’s a reason why the U.S. has not had a mainland outbreak of FMD compared to the likes of the UK, - control, isolation, and containment.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
you're an idiot. First off, Plum Island was in terrible shape and it would've cost more to upgrade the facility than it costs to build a brand new lab. One of the primary reasons to locate the biolab in Manhattan is Kansas State University, which has some of the best animal science programs in the country... put the lab where the scientists are. Second, since you use foot and mouth disease as your primary concern, it's ridiculously rare for transmission between animals and humans to occur. There's only been a small handfull of documented cases.
As for your "one disaster argument." These facilities are built to standards equal to that of nuclear reactors. The Manhattan tornado you talked about... yeah the reactor at KSU survived just fine.
Fear and ignorance. It's a deadly combination.
*Kansan, animal agriuclturalist and multiple-tornado survivor*
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that's how science works, kid. you share the results of your research.
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if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... :roll:
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I brought it up because bids for construction have begun and it still amazes me that these powerful farm, cattle and livestock associations aren’t fighting to keep this LAB out of the agricultural belt of America, knowing that Ames has not been without its problems affecting the public, livestock and groundwater. These are going to be airborne viruses, in the middle of America’s food supply, not odor problems and water contaminants.
No harm to foul.
I'd like to direct you to this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=67751
Name calling, such an attention grabber that usually points out why there’s a problem in the first place. I didn’t state that Plum Island should be upgraded; I stated that the new Facility, because of DHS’s change in the laws governing the oversight of FMD and live pathogens should not be in the middle of the agricultural farm belt.
Kansas isn’t the only university with outstanding animal science programs, but it does rank in the top five. Second, the scientists from Plum Island come with the package, along with others from around the country, so please don’t infer KS scientists will staff this Facility.
As to you FMD handful of cases, Plum Island’s research was primary animal diseases and not human pathogens. This new Facility under the control of DHS will research BOTH in conjunction with and separate to each other. So don’t give me that rare transmission speech, this is not new research, it’s going to be more in-depth research.
As to my one disaster argument, nature was only one aspect mention, yet, DHS isn’t building a nuclear reactor, they’re building a research Facility.
I am not shooting for fear and by no means am I ignorant of the subject matter. The point you failed to touch on is the open sharing of these pathogens and research to sub-level facilities within the agricultural belt and across the country.
The State of Kansas will get its Facility, but don’t hide behind name calling by dismissing the potential dangers of having such a Facility in the middle of our agricultural belt. Just keep in mind that this Facility will be controlled by the DHS suits, not the scientists.
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sorry. didn't mean to offend the precious snowflake's feelings.
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This is no different than the fight against creationism. Science vs. pseudoscience. It's the sort of fears the GOP so successfully preyed upon this week. And it's the same sort of paranoid conspiracy that seems to be popular among some around here. If we felt that this biolab was going to be a threat, don't you think we would have opposed it? I mean, we're talking about our own livelihoods, here.
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Along your line of thinking, why is the CDC located in Atlanta??? Does this mean we should move all research to Alaska? Where do you think these research facilities should be located? One of the other finalists was in Texas and alot of the sour grapes is due to the fact that Kansas got the facility and Texas didn't.
The open sharing you're so worried about happens all the time in medicine, and with alot nastier things than FMD.
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It's not about offending people. It's called debating the issues, not the person.
Here I thought you were going to keep it interesting, instead you pull the old 'well what about so n so”. Ok, I'll go there with you for a moment. The CDC BSL facilities are so unique the city of Atlanta doesn't even breath the same air, you couldn't find a way to slip a cockroach in there. As an animal agriculturalist how is it even possible that you can state there is something currently out there that would impact livestock on a deadlier scale than FMD, with the exception of the release of the killer human pathogens, enlighten me.
I don't need answers, its just a thought process regarding your 'medince' statement. Think about the nastiest human medical condition you may have researched or learned about as an animal agriculturalist or otherwise. Was the condition brought on by a natural occurrence of the human body or was it brought on by an interaction, contact or properties of an animal, plant, fowl, pest, or water or food born germ that trigger a viral reaction? How was it spread when broken down to its bio genetic elements. Could it be treated, contained ? What was its production qualities.
My discussion is not about producing fear through ignorance its about oversight and risk. Your first defensive reaction was to highlight KSU status in getting more scientists. I'm sure KS politicians see this as an economic coo. Yet, look how quickly you were to dismiss me as a fear monger, an idiot, some hinted towards conspiracy theorist which immediately closed your mind to any reasonable discussion. Poor local farmers never had chance once someone called them liberals.
Once DHS changed the laws to create a mega research Home Depot do-it-yourself Facility its location should have been re-evaluated based on its potential risk to America's food supply.