"I was hoping to get revenge for the people of Iraq."
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interesting....has anyone heard about this story?? i don't agree with vigilante justice, but i think that anyone who voted to go to war in iraq should be tried in the proper channels. i am afraid that those politicians who are out of office now that voted in favor of attack may become vulnerable to attacks like this. it is ironic to me that those responsible for authorizing the war themselves may always be vulnerable. people will never forget what we did to iraq, and they will try to make those responsible pay, even when the governments of those countries gave them a pass...
Stephen Timms attacker guilty of attempted murder
Police believe Roshonara Choudhry is first Briton to have been inspired by al-Qaida to assassinate a politician on British soil
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/0 ... ker-guilty
Police believe a gifted student convicted today of attempting to stab to death a former government minister for supporting the Iraq war is the first Briton to have been inspired by al-Qaida to assassinate a politician on British soil.
Police and those close to Roshonara Choudhry have both told the Guardian she was radicalised after watching sermons she downloaded off the internet given by Anwar al-Awlaki.
Awlaki is an Islamist cleric, now in Yemen, who the United States suspects was the mastermind of several terrorist plots. Top of those is the attempt uncovered on Friday to send bombs on cargo travelling in planes, which sparked a worldwide terrorist alert.
At the Old Bailey in London today Choudhry, 21, was convicted on three charges after a short trial in which she ordered her defence team not to challenge the prosecution's case. The jury took just 20 minutes to return unanimous verdicts on the attempted murder charge and two counts of having an offensive weapon.
On 14 May 2010 she stabbed her local MP Stephen Timms twice in the stomach. She confessed to the attack to police later that day.
The case, thought to have resulted initially from mental illness, was taken over by Scotland Yard's counter terrorism command, after the link to al-Awlaki was discovered on Choudhry's computer and after she told detectives in interviews after her arrest she had watched the extremist's sermons. Al-Awlaki is the "spiritual leader" of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula.
The court heard Choudhry wanted to stab Timms to death as "punishment" for voting for the Iraq war. Timms, who was a minister in both the Blair and Brown governments, was attacked at his constituency surgery in east London. The attack came days after Labour lost power.
Her conviction highlights the concern police and the authorities have about "self radicalisation", where people turn to Islamist violence after finding material themselves on the internet urging a holy war against the west, and become convinced by it.
A senior source told the Guardian that Choudhry turned to violence after being inspired by al-Awlaki's sermons urging that the alleged western oppression of Muslims demanded a violent response.
The senior source said: "She was inspired by his sermons, and radicalised by watching them.
"His message is do anything, whatever you can."
It is the first terrorist attack to injure someone on the UK mainland since 7 July 2005.
Choudhry, 21, "smiled" just before plunging the knife into the abdomen of Timms, who was saved when an aide grabbed the knife and a security guard put Choudhry in a "bear hug".
She told police during interview under criminal caution that she was intent on stabbing the MP to death, the court heard. Weeks before, she had bought two new knives for the attack, one with a three-inch blade which she used in the stabbing; the other, with a five-inch blade, was kept in her handbag as back up in case the first broke during the attack, she told officers.
After her arrest, Choudhry explained she stabbed Timms in the stomach because it was a soft area of the body and she feared being too weak to force the knife into another area.
The Old Bailey jury was told she was not mentally ill and was calm after the attack. The incident was captured on CCTV, stills of which were shown to the jury.
Choudhry, the jury was told, does not recognise the jurisdiction of the court.
The jury heard that she had told detectives: "I was not going to stop until somebody made me." Interviewed hours after the attack, Choudhry told officers: "I was trying to kill him."
When the interviewing officer, Detective Inspector Simon Dobinson, asked why, she replied: "Because he wanted to invade Iraq." Asked what that would achieve, she said: "Punishment." She later added: "I was hoping to get revenge for the people of Iraq."
Choudhry, who was not in court, was convicted of attempted murder and two charges of having an offensive weapon.
She will be sentenced on Wednesday, and her family are said to be devastated by the fate of their eldest child, who wanted to become a teacher.
Choudhry had been a student in English and communications at King's College, London, and in her first two years had been a prize-winning student who was predicted to get a first. She was also a gifted linguist who was fluent in Arabic, Bengali, and French.
She dropped out of her studies at the start of 2010 and began downloading extremist material, according to police examination of her computer, around the autumn of 2009.
Choudhry appears to have no links to known extremist groups.
On the day of the attack, Choudhry took a bus from her East Ham home to Timms's constituents' surgery at the Globe community centre in Beckton, east London. Choudhry asked to see Timms, who is her local MP, rather than his assistant. She then waited for her appointment.
She approached the desk where Timms was sat. He told the court he got up, and thought her left hand was outstretched because she wanted to shake hands. He added that Choudhry appeared to be "smiling" and "friendly".
Timms told the jury: "I was a little puzzled because a Muslim woman dressed in that way wouldn't normally be willing to shake a man's hand, still less to take the initiative to do so, but that is what she was doing. She lunged at me with her right hand."
The court heard while her left hand was outstretched, Choudhry used her right hand to stab the former minister. Dobinson said Choudhry told him during the police interview: "I purposefully walked round the side of the desk so I could get close to him. He pointed for me to sit down on the chair but instead I walked towards him with my left hand out as if I wanted to shake his hand."
She thought he had shaken her left hand with his left hand, but she could not remember. Her right hand had been in her pocket.
She continued: "Then I pulled the knife out of my bag and I hit him in the stomach with it. I put it in the top part of his stomach like when you punch someone."
She managed to stab Timms a second time before she was pulled off.
Nigel Tai, the surgeon who operated on Timms, described the injuries he suffered as "potentially life threatening" because of the possible loss of blood and infection had he not been treated.
CCTV images of Roshonara Choudhry stabbing Stephen Timms at his constituency surgery in Beckton. Photograph: Metropolitan Police
Stephen Timms attacker guilty of attempted murder
Police believe Roshonara Choudhry is first Briton to have been inspired by al-Qaida to assassinate a politician on British soil
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/0 ... ker-guilty
Police believe a gifted student convicted today of attempting to stab to death a former government minister for supporting the Iraq war is the first Briton to have been inspired by al-Qaida to assassinate a politician on British soil.
Police and those close to Roshonara Choudhry have both told the Guardian she was radicalised after watching sermons she downloaded off the internet given by Anwar al-Awlaki.
Awlaki is an Islamist cleric, now in Yemen, who the United States suspects was the mastermind of several terrorist plots. Top of those is the attempt uncovered on Friday to send bombs on cargo travelling in planes, which sparked a worldwide terrorist alert.
At the Old Bailey in London today Choudhry, 21, was convicted on three charges after a short trial in which she ordered her defence team not to challenge the prosecution's case. The jury took just 20 minutes to return unanimous verdicts on the attempted murder charge and two counts of having an offensive weapon.
On 14 May 2010 she stabbed her local MP Stephen Timms twice in the stomach. She confessed to the attack to police later that day.
The case, thought to have resulted initially from mental illness, was taken over by Scotland Yard's counter terrorism command, after the link to al-Awlaki was discovered on Choudhry's computer and after she told detectives in interviews after her arrest she had watched the extremist's sermons. Al-Awlaki is the "spiritual leader" of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula.
The court heard Choudhry wanted to stab Timms to death as "punishment" for voting for the Iraq war. Timms, who was a minister in both the Blair and Brown governments, was attacked at his constituency surgery in east London. The attack came days after Labour lost power.
Her conviction highlights the concern police and the authorities have about "self radicalisation", where people turn to Islamist violence after finding material themselves on the internet urging a holy war against the west, and become convinced by it.
A senior source told the Guardian that Choudhry turned to violence after being inspired by al-Awlaki's sermons urging that the alleged western oppression of Muslims demanded a violent response.
The senior source said: "She was inspired by his sermons, and radicalised by watching them.
"His message is do anything, whatever you can."
It is the first terrorist attack to injure someone on the UK mainland since 7 July 2005.
Choudhry, 21, "smiled" just before plunging the knife into the abdomen of Timms, who was saved when an aide grabbed the knife and a security guard put Choudhry in a "bear hug".
She told police during interview under criminal caution that she was intent on stabbing the MP to death, the court heard. Weeks before, she had bought two new knives for the attack, one with a three-inch blade which she used in the stabbing; the other, with a five-inch blade, was kept in her handbag as back up in case the first broke during the attack, she told officers.
After her arrest, Choudhry explained she stabbed Timms in the stomach because it was a soft area of the body and she feared being too weak to force the knife into another area.
The Old Bailey jury was told she was not mentally ill and was calm after the attack. The incident was captured on CCTV, stills of which were shown to the jury.
Choudhry, the jury was told, does not recognise the jurisdiction of the court.
The jury heard that she had told detectives: "I was not going to stop until somebody made me." Interviewed hours after the attack, Choudhry told officers: "I was trying to kill him."
When the interviewing officer, Detective Inspector Simon Dobinson, asked why, she replied: "Because he wanted to invade Iraq." Asked what that would achieve, she said: "Punishment." She later added: "I was hoping to get revenge for the people of Iraq."
Choudhry, who was not in court, was convicted of attempted murder and two charges of having an offensive weapon.
She will be sentenced on Wednesday, and her family are said to be devastated by the fate of their eldest child, who wanted to become a teacher.
Choudhry had been a student in English and communications at King's College, London, and in her first two years had been a prize-winning student who was predicted to get a first. She was also a gifted linguist who was fluent in Arabic, Bengali, and French.
She dropped out of her studies at the start of 2010 and began downloading extremist material, according to police examination of her computer, around the autumn of 2009.
Choudhry appears to have no links to known extremist groups.
On the day of the attack, Choudhry took a bus from her East Ham home to Timms's constituents' surgery at the Globe community centre in Beckton, east London. Choudhry asked to see Timms, who is her local MP, rather than his assistant. She then waited for her appointment.
She approached the desk where Timms was sat. He told the court he got up, and thought her left hand was outstretched because she wanted to shake hands. He added that Choudhry appeared to be "smiling" and "friendly".
Timms told the jury: "I was a little puzzled because a Muslim woman dressed in that way wouldn't normally be willing to shake a man's hand, still less to take the initiative to do so, but that is what she was doing. She lunged at me with her right hand."
The court heard while her left hand was outstretched, Choudhry used her right hand to stab the former minister. Dobinson said Choudhry told him during the police interview: "I purposefully walked round the side of the desk so I could get close to him. He pointed for me to sit down on the chair but instead I walked towards him with my left hand out as if I wanted to shake his hand."
She thought he had shaken her left hand with his left hand, but she could not remember. Her right hand had been in her pocket.
She continued: "Then I pulled the knife out of my bag and I hit him in the stomach with it. I put it in the top part of his stomach like when you punch someone."
She managed to stab Timms a second time before she was pulled off.
Nigel Tai, the surgeon who operated on Timms, described the injuries he suffered as "potentially life threatening" because of the possible loss of blood and infection had he not been treated.
CCTV images of Roshonara Choudhry stabbing Stephen Timms at his constituency surgery in Beckton. Photograph: Metropolitan Police
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this guy is the exception evidently.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Radicalised student Roshonara Choudhry jailed for attempting to stab to death Stephen Timms for supporting the Iraq war
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/0 ... ife-attack
A radicalised student was today sentenced to life imprisonment for attempting to stab to death a former government minister for supporting the Iraq war. Roshonara Choudhry was jailed for life with a minimum term of 15 years at the Old Bailey.
Choudhry, 21, was convicted on three charges after a short trial in which she ordered her defence team not to challenge the prosecution's case because she did not recognise the jurisdiction of the British court. The Old Bailey jury took just 14 minutes to return unanimous verdicts on the attempted murder charge and two counts of having an offensive weapon.
Mr Justice Cooke, sentencing Choudhry, said she would continue to be a danger to members of parliament for the foreseeable future: "You said you ruined the rest of your life. You said it was worth it. You said you wanted to be a martyr."
If Choudhry had succeeded in killing Stephen Timms, she would have been given a whole-life sentence, meaning she would never have been released, Cooke added. "You intended to kill in a political cause and to strike at those in government by doing so. You did so as a matter of deliberate decision-making, however skewed your reasons, from listening to those Muslims who incite such action on the internet," said the judge.
Choudhry did not suffer from any mental illness, but had committed evil acts coolly and deliberately. "You are an intelligent young lady who has absorbed immoral ideas and wrong patterns of thinking and attitudes. It is not only possible, but I also hope that you will come to understand the distorted nature of your thinking, the evil that you have done and planned to do, and repent of it," he said.
Appearing via video link from prison, Choudhry spoke only to confirm her name and showed no emotion as she was sentenced. After the sentence was passed, the video link was turned off as a group of men began shouting in the public gallery "Allahu Akbar" ("God is greatest"), "British go to hell" and "Curse the judge." A small demonstration was taking place outside the court.
It emerged yesterday that police believe the student is the first Briton to have been inspired by al-Qaida to try to assassinate a politician on British soil.
During the short trial, the court heard that Choudhry had smiled and pretended she was going to shake hands with Timms, her local MP, before plunging the knife twice into his stomach at his constituency surgery in east London on 14 May 2010. She was disarmed by the politician's assistant and held by a security guard.
When arrested she confessed to police that the stabbing was "punishment" and "to get revenge for the people of Iraq", the Old Bailey heard. A list of other politicians was found in her possession, and she had researched voting records on Iraq.
A police source and those close to Choudhry said she had been radicalised by watching internet sermons by Anwar al-Awlaki, an Islamist cleric now in Yemen who the US suspects masterminded several terrorist plots. The most recent is the attempt, uncovered on Friday, to send bombs on cargo travelling in planes. The discovery sparked a worldwide terrorist alert.
The investigation into Choudry's attack, initially thought to have resulted from mental illness, was taken over by Scotland Yard's counter-terrorism command, after the link to Awlaki was discovered on Choudhry's computer and after she told detectives she had watched the extremist's sermons.
Awlaki is the "spiritual leader" of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, and the US suspect him of inspiring the Muslim soldier who shot dead 13 of his colleagues in 2009 at Fort Hood, Texas.
Choudhry dropped out of her studies, in English and communications at King's College London, earlier this year. She had won academic prizes and was tipped for a first-class degree. It is understood that examination of her computer shows she downloaded the Islamist material late in 2009.
Timms, Labour MP for East Ham, made a full recovery after the attack and gave evidence at the trial.
The judge expressed his best wishes to Timms, saying he continued to represent his constituents faithfully "albeit with heightened security", and referred to the MP's Christian beliefs.
He said: "I understand that he brings to bear his own faith, which upholds very different values to those which appear to have driven this defendant. Those values are those upon which the common law of this country was founded and include respect and love for one's neighbour, for the foreigner in the land, and for those who consider themselves enemies, all as part of one's love of God."
He added: "These values were the basis of our system of law and justice, and I trust that they will remain so, as well as motivating those, like Mr Timms, who hold public office."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
:thumbup: sounds good to me too.
Godfather.
So what do you suggest Gimmie........kill some more? :roll:
i was just saying that her logic was flawed if she thinks that killing one politician who voted for the war would be enough revenge for the entire population of iraq for what we have done to it. and in my earlier post i said
"I was hoping to get revenge for the people of Iraq."
by gimmesometruth27 » 02 Nov 2010 11:29
"interesting....has anyone heard about this story?? i don't agree with vigilante justice, but i think that anyone who voted to go to war in iraq should be tried in the proper channels."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."