If the tea party wins, America Loses

gimmesometruth27

great video of a special comment from olbermann from this week. i know a lot of you will laugh at this, especially those of you who support the tea party, but he raises some excellent points and cites most of the quotes. it is nearly 20 minutes long, but i thought it was a nice piece. some of these people running for office are extremists and hypocrites. it gets really good at about the 14:48 mark....it clearly shows the important choice that we have to make in four days, and i think the right choice is pretty obvious....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/2 ... 75170.html

whygohome

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

great video of a special comment from olbermann from this week. i know a lot of you will laugh at this, especially those of you who support the tea party, but he raises some excellent points and cites most of the quotes. it is nearly 20 minutes long, but i thought it was a nice piece. some of these people running for office are extremists and hypocrites. it gets really good at about the 14:48 mark....it clearly shows the important choice that we have to make in four days, and i think the right choice is pretty obvious....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/2 ... 75170.html

Isn't this common sense? Why people in this country - the Right, the Tea Party, oh wait, they are the same thing - embracing corporate enslavement and regression?

I just do not understand this movement, nor do I understand American Society these days. And if you think about offering a rebuttal using empty words/phrases like lower taxes, big government, spending, freedom, etc with regards to the Obama administration, go do some research. There has always been spending, big government, taxes (higher than 39.6%) injustice, etc. it didn't begin on 1/20/09.

Smellyman

whygohome wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

great video of a special comment from olbermann from this week. i know a lot of you will laugh at this, especially those of you who support the tea party, but he raises some excellent points and cites most of the quotes. it is nearly 20 minutes long, but i thought it was a nice piece. some of these people running for office are extremists and hypocrites. it gets really good at about the 14:48 mark....it clearly shows the important choice that we have to make in four days, and i think the right choice is pretty obvious....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/2 ... 75170.html

Isn't this common sense? Why people in this country - the Right, the Tea Party, oh wait, they are the same thing - embracing corporate enslavement and regression?

I just do not understand this movement, nor do I understand American Society these days. And if you think about offering a rebuttal using empty words/phrases like lower taxes, big government, spending, freedom, etc with regards to the Obama administration, go do some research. There has always been spending, big government, taxes (higher than 39.6%) injustice, etc. it didn't begin on 1/20/09.

hehe. the republican rallying cry. None of it is ever true though.

whygohome

Olbermann on a roll!!!

gimmesometruth27

thanks for watching guys. i am not a huge fan of his, but i respect his opinion sometimes. i know it is olbermann and he is a blowhard just like all the rest of the pundits, but i doubt that the people who really need to see it are going to invest 20 minutes of their lives on this. it was well researched and i actually agree with a lot of the things he said here.

whygohome

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

thanks for watching guys. i am not a huge fan of his, but i respect his opinion sometimes. i know it is olbermann and he is a blowhard just like all the rest of the pundits, but i doubt that the people who really need to see it are going to invest 20 minutes of their lives on this. it was well researched and i actually agree with a lot of the things he said here.

I feel the same way; I applaud him though, for outing these grotesque figures.

haffajappa

Okay so the Tea Party TAKES BACK AMERICA from the Democrats who have "put the country in the state its in" and vote in Republicans, or idiots like Sarah Palin who think that pro life will solve the econimc crisis, or something, and THEN WHAT?

Suddenly governments won't be corrupt? :shock:

whygohome

haffajappa wrote:

Okay so the Tea Party TAKES BACK AMERICA from the Democrats who have "put the country in the state its in" and vote in Republicans, or idiots like Sarah Palin who think that pro life will solve the econimc crisis, or something, and THEN WHAT?

Suddenly governments won't be corrupt? :shock:

Duh!!! This is elementary.
(sarcasm alert)

haffajappa

whygohome wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Okay so the Tea Party TAKES BACK AMERICA from the Democrats who have "put the country in the state its in" and vote in Republicans, or idiots like Sarah Palin who think that pro life will solve the econimc crisis, or something, and THEN WHAT?

Suddenly governments won't be corrupt? :shock:

Duh!!! This is elementary.
(sarcasm alert)

Well the day that their revolution works and the government they vote in will be some sort of Robin Hood of congress, and ameicans have more public services but pay fewer taxes, and everything gets solved in 3 days, then let me know

josevolution

Yeah i did see this the other night and i do agree he brings up all good points the Tea baggers are a screwed up lot , and like someone else stated after all the Republicans win all those seats do people really believe that we will wake up and everything will be fixed we as a nation are way beyond fixing this will take 40yrs to get corrected ......

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

thanks for watching guys. i am not a huge fan of his, but i respect his opinion sometimes. i know it is olbermann and he is a blowhard just like all the rest of the pundits, but i doubt that the people who really need to see it are going to invest 20 minutes of their lives on this. it was well researched and i actually agree with a lot of the things he said here.

I really can't stand that guy and you are right, he is no better than the rest of them. But, I'll take a look at this later tonight when I get the chance. I admit right now, I'm going to have a hard time getting past the idiots mouth that it will come from though.

he still stands

I wouldn't mind seeing the Tea Party or crazy/stupid people like Palin, O'Connell, et al, get elected. People would see very quickly how incompetent these people are and much like Nixon created anarchists and LBJ created pacifists, people would be so turned off by the whole crowd that I think the general OPPOSITE of what they really are would ensue. I think that just might be utopia.

polaris_x

you can list a million contradictions about the tea partiers and it doesn't mean a damm thing ... most tea partiers are followers of an ideology based on a simple presumption:

the current gov't is screwing you and you need to take it back ... the strategy is quite brilliant ... you can tell people that they will pay zero taxes and still have everything and they will buy it ... because for the most part, most of these people lack the will to actually put those concepts to any kind of test ...

it's so easy to rally up minions when times are tough ...

Godfather.

polaris_x wrote:

you can list a million contradictions about the tea partiers and it doesn't mean a damm thing ... most tea partiers are followers of an ideology based on a simple presumption:

the current gov't is screwing you and you need to take it back ... the strategy is quite brilliant ... you can tell people that they will pay zero taxes and still have everything and they will buy it ... because for the most part, most of these people lack the will to actually put those concepts to any kind of test ...

it's so easy to rally up minions when times are tough ...

it's been this way for years,if someone slings enough mud eventually some of it will stick by some peoples standards, BTW I agree with you.
it's ez to blame obama bush reagen and who ever else but It takes more than one person to screw things up
especially as bad as they have been in the last several decades, our entire government needs a douche.
just my opinion.

Godfather.

cajunkiwi

haffajappa wrote:

Okay so the Tea Party TAKES BACK AMERICA from the Democrats who have "put the country in the state its in" and vote in Republicans, or idiots like Sarah Palin who think that pro life will solve the econimc crisis, or something, and THEN WHAT?

Suddenly governments won't be corrupt? :shock:

There's nothing unethical about the Tea Party candidates!

(just don't ask them about the reports of them spending campaign funds to pay for rent and bowling excursions, having liens levied against them by the IRS for unpaid taxes, being sued by mortgage companies for not paying their mortgage, lying about educational background, being sued for unpaid tuition bills, and lying about election results)

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

the strategy is quite brilliant ... you can tell people that they will pay zero taxes and still have everything and they will buy it ... because for the most part, most of these people lack the will to actually put those concepts to any kind of test ...

Just like the liberal concept of telling people they can have everything for free and only the "Rich" will have to pay for it. It is brilliant.

Both sides try to have their cake and eat it to. The funny thing is all of them only care about 3 things...money and power...and to get that they only care about 1 thing...getting votes. Most don't really care about the people, they only care about what they can sell them in order to keep their power and thus keep their $.

We need a wholesale changover.

VINNY GOOMBA

cajunkiwi wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Okay so the Tea Party TAKES BACK AMERICA from the Democrats who have "put the country in the state its in" and vote in Republicans, or idiots like Sarah Palin who think that pro life will solve the econimc crisis, or something, and THEN WHAT?

Suddenly governments won't be corrupt? :shock:

There's nothing unethical about the Tea Party candidates!

(just don't ask them about the reports of them spending campaign funds to pay for rent and bowling excursions, having liens levied against them by the IRS for unpaid taxes, being sued by mortgage companies for not paying their mortgage, lying about educational background, being sued for unpaid tuition bills, and lying about election results)

None of this is anything new for candidates of any party or movement. The damage these people do with their campaigns is MINIMAL compared to what any actually elected politician ends up doing, which is why all of them should be thrown out. The smartest and best thing to do would have been for the tea party to throw more weight behind more Libertarian Party Candidates, as well as true Blue Dog Democrats and some real Independents, so it didn't become 100% synonomous with the GOP, but truly principled in terms of cutting government waste.

They have managed to oust some Republican incumbents in the primaries, which IS a great thing. However you feel about the GOP is up to you, but must of us can agree that no matter the party affiliation, the longer these people stay in office, the greater their chances are of being corrupted.

polaris_x

cincybearcat wrote:

Just like the liberal concept of telling people they can have everything for free and only the "Rich" will have to pay for it. It is brilliant.

Both sides try to have their cake and eat it to. The funny thing is all of them only care about 3 things...money and power...and to get that they only care about 1 thing...getting votes. Most don't really care about the people, they only care about what they can sell them in order to keep their power and thus keep their $.

We need a wholesale changover.

uhhh ... i'm not too sure who you are referring to but i don't really think it's the same thing ...

although i don't disagree with your second and third points ...

VINNY GOOMBA

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

great video of a special comment from olbermann from this week. i know a lot of you will laugh at this, especially those of you who support the tea party, but he raises some excellent points and cites most of the quotes. it is nearly 20 minutes long, but i thought it was a nice piece. some of these people running for office are extremists and hypocrites. it gets really good at about the 14:48 mark....it clearly shows the important choice that we have to make in four days, and i think the right choice is pretty obvious....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/2 ... 75170.html

I did watch this, and it was interesting. Some of the things that Olbermann said with terrible disgust, I wholeheartedly agreed with. Sometimes I agreed with him. He definitely has it out for Sharron Angle, that's for sure. I admitedly don't know all that much about her, but if she is as bad as Olbermann makes her out to be, she truly makes the Senate vote in Nevada to be a classic case of voting for "the lesser of two evils" with her opponent being Harry Reid.

cajunkiwi

Okay - here's one of the big questions I have about the Tea Party philosophy and the candidates the party has chosen to endorse:

What makes you think these people will be any better than the incumbents?

Two years ago the right was complaining that Obama lacked the necessary qualifications to be president; that he was too young and inexperienced. Now, two years later, there's a movement afoot to oust incumbent politicians and replace them with people like Meg Whitman (no political experience and allegedly knowingly employed an illegal immigrant), Christine O'Donnell (a former marketing consultant who has never held office anywhere, has been accused of misusing campaign funds and lying about her educational background, and apparently doesn't know what the First Amendment covers), and Sharron Angle (has political experience, but this year alone has alleged that Dearborn, Michigan, is under Sharia law, has said Mexicans in a campaign ad about illegal immigration are meant to represent Canadians, and called herself Nevada's first Asian politician).

I understand that some people are disappointed in incumbent politicians - but is the answer ousting them and replacing with people who have no experience and are borderline nuts? It seems like all you're doing is making a bad situation worse.

cajunkiwi

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

cajunkiwi wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Okay so the Tea Party TAKES BACK AMERICA from the Democrats who have "put the country in the state its in" and vote in Republicans, or idiots like Sarah Palin who think that pro life will solve the econimc crisis, or something, and THEN WHAT?

Suddenly governments won't be corrupt? :shock:

There's nothing unethical about the Tea Party candidates!

(just don't ask them about the reports of them spending campaign funds to pay for rent and bowling excursions, having liens levied against them by the IRS for unpaid taxes, being sued by mortgage companies for not paying their mortgage, lying about educational background, being sued for unpaid tuition bills, and lying about election results)

None of this is anything new for candidates of any party or movement. The damage these people do with their campaigns is MINIMAL compared to what any actually elected politician ends up doing, which is why all of them should be thrown out. The smartest and best thing to do would have been for the tea party to throw more weight behind more Libertarian Party Candidates, as well as true Blue Dog Democrats and some real Independents, so it didn't become 100% synonomous with the GOP, but truly principled in terms of cutting government waste.

They have managed to oust some Republican incumbents in the primaries, which IS a great thing. However you feel about the GOP is up to you, but must of us can agree that no matter the party affiliation, the longer these people stay in office, the greater their chances are of being corrupted.

Yeah - I read a great quote recently that was attributed to Mark Twain: "Politicians are like diapers. They both need to be changed frequently, and for the same reason." lol