The SEIU voting machines, Harry Reid, And Voting Problems

aerial

I had my doubts with the electronic voting machines anyway....but DAMN! this is IN YOUR FACE vote tampering! Not to mention a conflict of interest....
http://biggovernment.com/publius/2010/10/26/the-seiu-harry-reid-and-voting-problems/

mikepegg44

aerial wrote:

I had my doubts with the electronic voting machines anyway....buy DAMN! this is IN YOUR FACE vote tampering! Not to mention a conflict of interest....
http://biggovernment.com/publius/2010/10/26/the-seiu-harry-reid-and-voting-problems/

dont start buying into all this voter fraud stuff, these reports are generally unfounded and usually have a reasonable explanation. There is a reason nothing ever happens in the cases where people accuse others of deliberate voter fraud. It is because there is usually nothing to it.
If people are careful when they go in and vote it won't be a problem

unsung

Don't worry, I'm thinking next week he will be looking for other work.

Anyone want to make a friendly?

Electric_Delta

unsung wrote:

Don't worry, I'm thinking next week he will be looking for other work.

Anyone want to make a friendly?

Voter corruption in Nevada? By a union? Really?

Unsung, you should have more respect for old Harry. If not for him, we'd be in a worldwide depression.

markin ball

unsung wrote:

Don't worry, I'm thinking next week he will be looking for other work.

Anyone want to make a friendly?

I wouldn't want to bet but dems are showing better than expected numbers in early voting so far. It's going to be close, that's for sure. Let me tell you, if there is any corollation to # of signs in yards to votes cast, Angle will win big.

Cosmo

Can Aerial, Unsung or Electric Delta please explain what this portion means... you all seem to have a better understanding about it than I do... I don't understand what it is saying.
Thanx!!!
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The County hereby recognizes the Union as the sole and exclusive collective bargaining representative of the County employees assigned to the classifications listed in Appendix A who are eligible to be represented by the Union except as limited by Section 2 of this Article. The Union shall be notified of additions to the list
of classifications (Appendix A), within seven (7) days of posting for the position classification and shall receive 30 days advance notice of any deletions. Upon written request by the Union, the parties shall meet and confer regarding deletions within the 30 day notification period referenced herein. Both parties recognize that the Union retains its right to appeal under the provisions of NRS 288.170.

unsung

I'm not sure either, but I will say that voting machines should not be run by any group that donates to a PAC.

They should be run by normal people that volunteer their time.

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

I'm not sure either, but I will say that voting machines should not be run by any group that donates to a PAC.

They should be run by normal people that volunteer their time.

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But... I have no idea HOW voting machines actually work... you know, the nuts and bolts operations of the machine itself, do you? I mean, I'm sure I'd be able to voluenteer at a polling station in the capacity of collecting ballots and making sure the person's name and address in on the list and hand out the 'I Voted' sticker... but, knowing how to fix or validate a voting machine... no fucking clue.

unsung

I guess if they are computers someone might be able to program them. I have heard of systems having certain candidates already selected by default which is really screwed up.

Need to have paper ballots that the candidates name is in big block letters with plenty of room. Make people circle their vote with ink. No chads, no programming. Keep it simple. Each ballot would have a watermark to deter fakes.

unsung

Now that I think about it the libertarian candidate for Illinois governor is Rich Whitney. Up in Chicago one of the wards has a computer voting system set that when it comes to the review screen it displays his name as "Rich Whitey". It just so happens it is a ward that over 90% of the people are black.

That is seriously fucked up. And no they didn't fix it, they said it was too late. I heard about it two weeks ago.

Electric_Delta

Cosmo wrote:

Can Aerial, Unsung or Electric Delta please explain what this portion means... you all seem to have a better understanding about it than I do... I don't understand what it is saying.
Thanx!!!
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The County hereby recognizes the Union as the sole and exclusive collective bargaining representative of the County employees assigned to the classifications listed in Appendix A who are eligible to be represented by the Union except as limited by Section 2 of this Article. The Union shall be notified of additions to the list
of classifications (Appendix A), within seven (7) days of posting for the position classification and shall receive 30 days advance notice of any deletions. Upon written request by the Union, the parties shall meet and confer regarding deletions within the 30 day notification period referenced herein. Both parties recognize that the Union retains its right to appeal under the provisions of NRS 288.170.

Who cares how it works? Fraud is fraud. I don't need an engineering degree to see what's happening.

Pepe Silvia

mikepegg44 wrote:

aerial wrote:

I had my doubts with the electronic voting machines anyway....buy DAMN! this is IN YOUR FACE vote tampering! Not to mention a conflict of interest....
http://biggovernment.com/publius/2010/10/26/the-seiu-harry-reid-and-voting-problems/

dont start buying into all this voter fraud stuff, these reports are generally unfounded and usually have a reasonable explanation. There is a reason nothing ever happens in the cases where people accuse others of deliberate voter fraud. It is because there is usually nothing to it.
If people are careful when they go in and vote it won't be a problem

you should watch the documentary 'uncounted', here's the trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKa8J_2pUGI

also, cases like thousands of votes being 'accidentally' deleted in NC during the '04 election had nothing to do with people not being careful as they cast their ballot

or the transcriptionist that turned over tapes he was transcribing that proved diebold was committing election fraud and HE ended up convicted and having to pay huge fines for blowing the whistle on their illegal activity, or the election official who was locked out of his office after he started asking questions about the voting machines and asked a college professor to try and hack into it (which he was able to do undetected and quite easily)

mikepegg44

Pepe Silvia wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

aerial wrote:

I had my doubts with the electronic voting machines anyway....buy DAMN! this is IN YOUR FACE vote tampering! Not to mention a conflict of interest....
http://biggovernment.com/publius/2010/10/26/the-seiu-harry-reid-and-voting-problems/

dont start buying into all this voter fraud stuff, these reports are generally unfounded and usually have a reasonable explanation. There is a reason nothing ever happens in the cases where people accuse others of deliberate voter fraud. It is because there is usually nothing to it.
If people are careful when they go in and vote it won't be a problem

you should watch the documentary 'uncounted', here's the trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKa8J_2pUGI

also, cases like thousands of votes being 'accidentally' deleted in NC during the '04 election had nothing to do with people not being careful as they cast their ballot

or the transcriptionist that turned over tapes he was transcribing that proved diebold was committing election fraud and HE ended up convicted and having to pay huge fines for blowing the whistle on their illegal activity, or the election official who was locked out of his office after he started asking questions about the voting machines and asked a college professor to try and hack into it (which he was able to do undetected and quite easily)

I am not saying it doesn't happen, just that every election cycle thousands of these reports come out and very little is ever found to be true

markin ball

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/13399682/ ... ations-non

Local news link about this. I agree with those that say that those that maintain/program these machines should be distanced politically from them but it looks like a non-situation in this case.

On other message boards some are threatening riots and violence if Reid wins because they feel it will vindicate their belief the voting machines are rigged.

gimmesometruth27

what is the old saying?

"the voters don't determine the outcome, the vote counters do..."

puremagic

Another SCARE Tactic
[Don’t let them stop you from Voting]

This is nothing but bullshit being fed by out-of-state corporations, private equity firms, and sheltered non-profit groups that are pouring in money to fund these puppeteer candidates in order to gain control of Congress. They don’t give a shit about what happens internally within your State.

1. The title is misleading, they are not SEIU voting machines, they are the property of ES&S in Nebraska who now owns Diebold/Premier in Ohio and TX.

2. If anyone should be investigated it should be ES&S and the McCarthy Group, along with Bob and Todd Urosevich; and, its six degree of separation from Matthew Devost and Erik Prince.

3. ES&S accounts for 80% of our electronic vote. ES&S is the number one with two-thirds of the vote counting software and the biggest supplier of touch screen machines. Sequoia - with one-third of the voting machines on the market - is usually regarded as number two.
It’s so easy to cater to ignorance and stupidity in order to create a scenario to make people believe that a union has ability tamper with or has instructed its members to tamper with these already suspected, faulting voting machines in the event Reid wins.

Stop letting your common sense be brought, Sharron’s poll numbers have been steadily slipping over the past 6 weeks because people got to hear her speak on issues and just like, in the case of Palin, they see that she is not someone they want leading them and more voters are planning on turning out, so the lies, misinformation, and threats are started as a scare tactic to keep people from coming out to vote.

aerial

Clark County is where three quarters of Nevada's residents and live and where Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's son Rory is a county commissioner. Rory is also a Democratic candidate for governor.

Since early voting started, there have been credible reports that voting machines in Clark County, Nevada are automatically checking Harry Reid's name on the ballot:

Voter Joyce Ferrara said when they went to vote for Republican Sharron Angle, her Democratic opponent, Sen. Harry Reid's name was already checked.

Ferrara said she wasn't alone in her voting experience. She said her husband and several others voting at the same time all had the same thing happen.

"Something's not right," Ferrara said. "One person that's a fluke. Two, that's strange. But several within a five minute period of time -- that's wrong."

Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax said there is no voter fraud, although the issues do come up because the touch-screens are sensitive. For that reason, a person may not want to have their fingers linger too long on the screen after they make a selection at any time.

Now there's absolutely no independently verified evidence of chicanery with the voting machines (yet), but it is worth noting that the voting machine technicians in Clark County are members of the Service Employees International Union. The SEIU spent $63 million in elections in 2008 and is planning on spending $44 million more this election cycle -- nearly all of that on Democrats. White House political director Patrick Gaspard is formerly the SEIU's top lobbyist, and former SEIU president Andy Stern was the most frequent visitor to the White House last year.

Just in Nevada, the SEIU has given a lot to groups that are heavily vested in the state -- in just one prominent example, the SEIU gave $500,000 to the Patriot Majority PAC, which has spent $1.3 million against Reid's opponent Sharron Angle. They've and have dropped large sums directly on candidates:

NV-3
Joe Heck (R)
Oppose
$140,000.00

NV-3
Dina Titus (D)
Support
$344,984.00

NV-Senate
Sharron E. Angle (R)
Oppose
$225,000.00


Now the county voting technicians aren't unique here -- many of Clark County's employees are also represented by the SEIU. But it is worth mentioning, the SEIU is hyperpoliticized and has seen its fair share of corruption. (It certainly seems more questionable than Diebold, the voting machine manufacturer with Republican ties that was at the center of many conspiracy theories on the left during the Bush administration.)

Unions increasingly have a major financial stake in election outcomes, both as a matter of their own election expenditures, and as a function of what they stand to gain if their legislative agenda is enacted. Should they really be responsible for tabulating the votes? That's certainly something voters ought to think long and hard about.

Below is Clark County's SEIU contract -- On Page 75, in Appendix A, voting machine technicians are listed as positions represented by SEIU.



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini ... z13geuYubj

Cosmo

"Clark County election officials insisted on Tuesday that electronic voting machines were not malfunctioning at polling locations are some voters complained that Sen. Harry Reid's name had been pre-selected.

Controversy arose after Boulder City resident Joyce Ferrara complained to FOX5 that when she went to vote for GOP Senate candidate Sharron Angle, Reid's name was already checked.

"Something's not right," Ferrara said. She claimed her husband and several others voting at the same time all had the same thing happen.

Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax said those claims were “patently false” and said at no time did any of those voters report the incident to staff at their polling location.

“In fact, although over 160,000 people have voted early in Clark County, those allegations that have been made have gone directly to the media as opposed to election board officers,” he said.

Lomax advised voters to be aware that touch-screens on the screens are sensitive. For that reason, a person may not want to have their fingers linger too long on the screen after they make a selection at any time.

"Especially in a community with elderly citizens (they have) difficulty in (casting their) ballot," Lomax said. "Team leaders said there were complaints (and the) race filled in."

At any time, voters can go back on the screen and review their selections. They are also allowed to make changes and encouraged to double-check their ballot on screen and on paper before it is cast."
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Ref. http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/25511115/detail.html

Cosmo

Electric_Delta wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Can Aerial, Unsung or Electric Delta please explain what this portion means... you all seem to have a better understanding about it than I do... I don't understand what it is saying.
Thanx!!!
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The County hereby recognizes the Union as the sole and exclusive collective bargaining representative of the County employees assigned to the classifications listed in Appendix A who are eligible to be represented by the Union except as limited by Section 2 of this Article. The Union shall be notified of additions to the list
of classifications (Appendix A), within seven (7) days of posting for the position classification and shall receive 30 days advance notice of any deletions. Upon written request by the Union, the parties shall meet and confer regarding deletions within the 30 day notification period referenced herein. Both parties recognize that the Union retains its right to appeal under the provisions of NRS 288.170.

Who cares how it works? Fraud is fraud. I don't need an engineering degree to see what's happening.

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So... you are telling us that you form your opinions from things you read on the Internet.
Okay... just want to know where you are coming from.

Cosmo

Electronic voting machines are being blamed for anxiety in Nevada as several early voters are complaining that when they began to cast their ballot Majority Leader Harry Reid's name was already selected.

Boulder City resident Joyce Ferrara, who wanted to vote for Republican Sharron Angle, told her local Fox news station that she could understand if such an aberration happened just for her, but her husband and several others at a polling place also experienced the malfunction.

"Something's not right," Ferrara said. "One person that's a fluke. Two, that's strange. But several within a five-minute period of time, that's wrong."

Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax assured the news station that there was no monkey business with the machines and explained that the screens are simply extremely sensitive. With cameras rolling, he showed that if anyone had an advantage it would be Angle, whose name gets checked off if a voter clicks the English option too many times or if his or her finger lingers too long on the opening screen.Lomax thinks that voters should rest easy, but after the jump, there's some video from around the country and around the world that shows how easy it is to hack electronic voting machines.

In 2008, the Netherlands became the first country in Europe to use electronic voting machines. But when convinced how easily they could be manipulated and tampered with, it became the first country to ban them. Here is video of several men needing just 60 seconds to switch out the memory chips in the machine.
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Ref. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing ... chine.html

aerial

Cosmo wrote:

Electronic voting machines are being blamed for anxiety in Nevada as several early voters are complaining that when they began to cast their ballot Majority Leader Harry Reid's name was already selected.

Boulder City resident Joyce Ferrara, who wanted to vote for Republican Sharron Angle, told her local Fox news station that she could understand if such an aberration happened just for her, but her husband and several others at a polling place also experienced the malfunction.

"Something's not right," Ferrara said. "One person that's a fluke. Two, that's strange. But several within a five-minute period of time, that's wrong."

Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax assured the news station that there was no monkey business with the machines and explained that the screens are simply extremely sensitive. With cameras rolling, he showed that if anyone had an advantage it would be Angle, whose name gets checked off if a voter clicks the English option too many times or if his or her finger lingers too long on the opening screen.Lomax thinks that voters should rest easy, but after the jump, there's some video from around the country and around the world that shows how easy it is to hack electronic voting machines.

In 2008, the Netherlands became the first country in Europe to use electronic voting machines. But when convinced how easily they could be manipulated and tampered with, it became the first country to ban them. Here is video of several men needing just 60 seconds to switch out the memory chips in the machine.
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Ref. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing ... chine.html

So they malfunction quit regularly and are easy to manipulate…do you trust them?…...They should be banned!

Here is another little something I just heardThis is Mark Hemingway in the Washington Examiner: “Clark County is where three quarters of Nevada’s residents and live and where Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s son Rory is a county commissioner.” That means that Harry Reid’s son is the person in charge of overseeing the election machines that are being maintained by the SEIU.